Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

[Nanopants]

This isn't about you are me....It is defining what it means to "practice sin" when Paul said, "those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

It's relevant to the conversation, because I don't know what I should confess (my conscience has been cleansed, and is free and clear). That being the case, should I make something up so that I'm not condemned, according to your logic?

 

[Setyoufree]

It's relevant to the conversation, because I don't know what I should confess (my conscience has been cleansed, and is free and clear). That being the case, should I make something up so that I'm not condemned, according to your logic?

There is no condemnation to those who have accepted Christ. Romans 8:1

However, to the self-righteous there is condemnation. We can never say we are without sin this side of eternity.

You may have reached some level of spirituality through Christ, but at the same time you and I are failing to live Christ's life and hence we are still sinners. Are you a sinner or not?

To say "no" means you do not need Christ's righteousness. That's practicing the sin of unbelief...the worst sin of all.

 

[Setyoufree]

but, at the same time you and I are failing to live Christ's life and hence we are still sinners

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned (past tense)http://www.biblestudytools.com/romans/3-23.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-1 and fall short of the glory of God (continuous present tense)

Hence,

Romans 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one"

 

[Nanopants]

There is no condemnation to those who have accepted Christ. Romans 8:1

However, to the self-righteous there is condemnation. We can never say we are without sin this side of eternity.

You make have reached some level of spirituality through Christ, but at the same time you and I are failing to live Christ's life and hence we are still sinners. Are you a sinner or not? TO day "no" means you do not need Christ's righteousness. That's practicing the sin of unbelief...the worst sin of all.

I never said that I ever *measured up to* Christ's righteousness.

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. -Gal 2:20,21

He would have died in vain if righteousness does not come to us at all, don't you think?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

It has to do with this text:

Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God? Psalms 77:13

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Wow. Very interesting picture!

Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

THE TYPICAL TABERNACLE ​

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

King Solomon's Astonishing Temple Secrets

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[Setyoufree]

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I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me....

Christ died 2000 years ago. When did you die?

 

[from scratch]

Christ died 2000 years ago. When did you die?

Oh say bout '63. You? And its been war ever since. Will admit there seems to be a lull in the war at the moment.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...
Wow. Very interesting picture!

Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1

What was interesting about the cross shadow across a diagram of the tabernacle?

By the way, did you know that the web site you linked to is for the "bible students" - followers of "pastor" Charles Taze Russell?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What was interesting about the cross shadow across a diagram of the tabernacle?

By the way, did you know that the web site you linked to is for the "bible students" - followers of "pastor" Charles Taze Russell?

No, I didn't notice that.

I am assuming he wasn't a Roman Catholic

Charles Taze Russell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About 1870, Russell and his father established a group with a number of acquaintances to undertake an analytical study of the Bible and the origins of Christian doctrine, creed, and tradition.
The group, strongly influenced by the writings of Millerite Adventist ministers George Storrs and George Stetson, themselves frequent attendees, came to the conclusion that many of the primary doctrines of the established churches, including the trinity, hellfire and inherent immortality of the soul, were not substantiated by the scriptures.[24][25][26][27]

In 1881, he founded Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society, with William Henry Conley as president and Russell as secretary-treasurer, for the purpose of disseminating tracts, papers, doctrinal treatises and Bibles. All materials were printed and bound by Russell's privately owned Tower Publishing Company for an agreed price,[35] then distributed by "colporteurs" (persons who travel to sell or publicize Bibles, religious tracts, etc.). The Society was incorporated in 1884, with Russell as president, and in 1886 its name was changed to Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society.



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[from scratch]

There is no condemnation to those who have accepted Christ. Romans 8:1

However, to the self-righteous there is condemnation. We can never say we are without sin this side of eternity.

You may have reached some level of spirituality through Christ, but at the same time you and I are failing to live Christ's life and hence we are still sinners. Are you a sinner or not?

To say "no" means you do not need Christ's righteousness. That's practicing the sin of unbelief...the worst sin of all.

Its not needed cause I already have.

 

[Setyoufree]

Its not need cause I already have.

What? Sinless?

 

[Nanopants]

Are you saying that Paul could not have been crucified with Christ?

Btw, nothing sticks to those *in* Him .

 

[Setyoufree]

Are you saying that Paul could not have been crucified with Christ?.

When Paul says, "I have been crucified with Christ" he is referring to a truth as found in Romans 6:6/7:4. And that is our corporate humanity died in Christ about 2000 years ago. Because when One died, all died!

 

[from scratch]

What? Sinless?

I've accepted the declaration by God that I'm righteous (without sin). BTW that's the only way one can attain such. If one teaches that one can't be without sin and yet also teach one must quit sinning to possess salvation, inside of the double speak it means there is no salvation.

 

[from scratch]

When Paul says, "I have been crucified with Christ" he is referring to a truth as found in Romans 6:6/7:4. And that is our corporate humanity died in Christ about 2000 years ago. Because when One died, all died!

Yes that's right we should never confess we possess the righteousness God imputes on us. Who wants to confess they possess salvation? I do!!!

According to the words of Jesus I've already passed the judgment uncondemned and have eternal life. John 5:24

Our cooperate humanity did no such thing. To say such is to say everyone is a Christian.

 

[from scratch]

By faith...it's not yours in reality until you are changed. Then you'll be sinless, immortal and perfect.



No, what you have stated is wrong...it's heresy!

Clearly when "One died, all died"! "All" means the entire human race. Hence all mankind has been justified unto life in Christ Jesus, not just you. And no, you aren't sinless. In fact to claim sinlessness shows you are far from Christ. That's what 1 John 1:8 states.

No, no that isn't what Jesus states. Here's what Jesus says about the matter -

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Yes I know full well it isn't believed. Not my problem. We also know no sin will enter heaven. This can't be attained by one's personal effort. Jesus said you'll only get in through Him - John 10. Not all the human race has been justified. Read your own posts. Jesus laid the conditions down in more than John 5:24. This BTW doesn't include submission to the law by obedience. The Bible plainly says there are none.

 

[from scratch]

By faith...it's not yours in reality until you are changed. Then you'll be sinless, immortal and perfect.



No, what you have stated is wrong...it's heresy!

Clearly when "One died, all died"! "All" means the entire human race. Hence all mankind has been justified unto life in Christ Jesus, not just you. And no, you aren't sinless. In fact to claim sinlessness shows you are far from Christ. That's what 1 John 1:8 states.

Please read Romans. Especially 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10. John 3, 5 and 15 wouldn't hurt either.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Rom 14:23

I fully believe the New Covenant.

 

[Setyoufree]

Hello

I didn't say I was never a sinner.

You are a sinner now...if not you would be perfect like Christ.

My righteousness is granted (imputed) by God because I believe in and on His dear only Son

The imputed righteousness of Christ is what He did 2000 years ago. That doesn't make you righteous. It makes you righteous by faith. You stand just in Christ.....

My death in Jesus Christ has everything to do with faith.

No, before you were born God saved the human race in Christ Jesus. You were saved by grace.

 

[Setyoufree]

....my death was only provided for. It couldn't be effected till I accepted that as fact by faith.

Sorry, that's heresy....

When "One died (Christ) all died"! Christ's death was a corporate death. It included all mankind. Accepting this truth by faith didn't make it so...it merely made it effective in your life.

Read Eph chapter 2:

"God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.

When we were dead in sin God made us alive in Christ. Hence grace saved you 2000 years ago. Nothing about faith here....

6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

According to this God raised "us" (the human race) up in Christ Jesus and took this glorified life to heaven so that in the coming ages, when you came on the scene, you might see the love of God in Christ Jesus.

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

So you were saved by grace 2000 years ago in Christ. When as an individual you came along you accepted this truth by faith. Accepting what Christ did 2000 years ago didn't make it so, for it was already so. It simply made it effective in your life. And this salvation can not be earned by your righteousness.

 

[from scratch]

Sorry, that's heresy....

When "One died (Christ) all died"! Christ's death was a corporate death. It included all mankind. Accepting this truth by faith didn't make it so...it merely made it effective in your life.

Read Eph chapter 2:

"God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.

When we were dead in sin God made us alive in Christ. Hence grace saved you 2000 years ago. Nothing about faith here....

6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.

According to this God raised "us" (the human race) up in Christ Jesus and took this glorified life to heaven so that in the coming ages, when you came on the scene, you might see the love of God in Christ Jesus.

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

So you were saved by grace 2000 years ago in Christ. When as an individual you came along you accepted this truth by faith. Accepting didn't make it so, for it already was. It simply made it effective in your life. And this salvation can not be earned by your righteousness.

Then we disagree.