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Why I am 7th Day Adventist, and not of any other faith...

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i think the SDA do overrate themselves as being the church of jesus christ..

Keep in mind God raised the Jews to uplift Christ. Didn't something go wrong? Yes, so only a remnant came through. Let's look at this:

Romans 11: 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah--how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me" ? 4 And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal." 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
 
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i think the SDA do overrate themselves as being the church of jesus christ. being LDS i believe in a universal apostacy, and a total overriding Restoration of the gospel and priesthood in the LDS church. if the Lord has given Helen White many marvelous gifts of prophecy, it is only because of her faith.
but if you put all emphasis on prophecy from her teachings, you miss the keys of authority that is given only to MEN who are ordained unto this setting apart. there is a difference. but at the same time jesus did metion, if one drinks from the cup of a prophet they will receive the rewards thereof.
I have a few questions to ask of you, if you will consider them and reply?
 
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Why I'm a Lutheran and not a Seventh Day Adventist:

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-CryptoLutheran

This is the only acceptable orthodox and historic Christian view, shared by all truly orthodox Christians.
 
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This is the only acceptable orthodox and historic Christian view, shared by all truly orthodox Christians.
Unfortunately for 'orthodoxy', it disagrees with all the OT and all of the NT, especially Jesus, Paul, John, Peter, James, Jude, etc.

Read the book of Hebrews to really start with since it is written:

Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 5:10

Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. Hebrews 5:11

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Hebrews 5:13

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5:14

In book of Exodus, after the people slew the Lamb per family and applied the blood...

...did they go through the "red sea", just as the Laver, even water mingled with blood?

...was their past now gone behind them, buried in the red sea?

...were they taken through a wilderness where manna, the bread of heaven fell, just as there is a table of shewbread, daily, preserved upon the 7th Day, renewed?

...were they called forth to be a Light to the Gentiles, a City set on a hill, a peculiar and chosen people?, even as the 7 branch candlestick?

...were they called before God, to prayer and prepare three days, as there is the Altar of incense where the smell arises unto God, communion with God?

...were they finally given the Law of God and an Ark and a Mercy Seat?

...all this before they could enter the promised Land...

Brother, this pattern is through the Whole of Scripture.
 
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Then you never left Egypt, merely having the Lamb's blood.

The Sacrifice is only the beginning, not the end.

Did you even watch the presentation? Please consider it, then tell me where it errs specifically.

Jesus isn't a nice stepping stone toward my own personal path to God.

Jesus is everything that matters. The Author and Finisher of our faith.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Unfortunately for 'orthodoxy', it disagrees with all the OT and all of the NT, especially Jesus, Paul, John, Peter, James, Jude, etc.

Nope; it is THE Christian theology.

Read the book of Hebrews to really start with since it is written:

Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 5:10

Who was one of those dirty Pagans who ate pork and wore polyester.

Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. Hebrews 5:11

Then stop being and accept what ViaCrucis said.

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Hebrews 5:13

See my above.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5:14

I eat lots of meat.

In book of Exodus, after the people slew the Lamb per family and applied the blood...

...did they go through the "red sea", just as the Laver, even water mingled with blood?

I was baptized; that's all that matters. That's real, orthodox, historic Christianity of the actual written record. Everything else isn't worth believing in.

...was their past now gone behind them, buried in the red sea?

...were they taken through a wilderness where manna, the bread of heaven fell, just as there is a table of shewbread, daily, preserved upon the 7th Day, renewed?

...were they called forth to be a Light to the Gentiles, a City set on a hill, a peculiar and chosen people?, even as the 7 branch candlestick?

Let the Jews live in shadows. I'm a child of the Light.

...were they called before God, to prayer and prepare three days, as there is the Altar of incense where the smell arises unto God, communion with God?

...were they finally given the Law of God and an Ark and a Mercy Seat?

In Christianity, we don't care about Jewish theology. It is lifeless and damning.

...all this before they could enter the promised Land...

Brother, this pattern is through the Whole of Scripture.

Jesus is the only Word I require. If anyone else teaches me otherwise, I know they are a false prophet whose testimony, if followed, will lead to everlasting hopelessness.
 
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Why I am not SDA...
Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

It also helps that if you are not a SDA then you do not need to think God's throne is in the Orion nebula ;)
 
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Unfortunately for 'orthodoxy', it disagrees with all the OT and all of the NT, especially Jesus, Paul, John, Peter, James, Jude, etc.

Read the book of Hebrews to really start with since it is written:

Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 5:10
Notice Jesus by passes the law here.
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. Hebrews 5:11
I agree you are.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
You've never even been taught the oracles of God in the first place. Paul here isn't teaching the law.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. Hebrews 5:13

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Hebrews 5:14
So when are you going to grow up and surpass the need for a paidagōgos? Gal 3.
In book of Exodus, after the people slew the Lamb per family and applied the blood...

...did they go through the "red sea", just as the Laver, even water mingled with blood?

...was their past now gone behind them, buried in the red sea?

...were they taken through a wilderness where manna, the bread of heaven fell, just as there is a table of shewbread, daily, preserved upon the 7th Day, renewed?

...were they called forth to be a Light to the Gentiles, a City set on a hill, a peculiar and chosen people?, even as the 7 branch candlestick?

...were they called before God, to prayer and prepare three days, as there is the Altar of incense where the smell arises unto God, communion with God?

...were they finally given the Law of God and an Ark and a Mercy Seat?

...all this before they could enter the promised Land...

Brother, this pattern is through the Whole of Scripture.
Until Jesus.
 
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So when are you going to grow up and surpass the need for a paidagōgos? Gal 3.Until Jesus.

Romans 7:4 So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ....6 But now, by dying to what once bound us (the law, in Christ), we have been released from the law..."

The law cannot touch us because of our position in Christ. Clearly though, the law hasn't been abolished. Our humanity died its demands in Christ. Therefore it was our sinful life that died in Christ Jesus when He was crucified. See Romans 6:6/7:4. The law is satisfied, not abolished. The believer is dead as far as the justice of the law is concerned and yet alive "in Christ Jesus" before God's law in heaven. We are perfect in Christ.

Now, let's read the rest of Romans 7:6

"so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

Do you know what that means? The new way of the Spirit refers to the NC. The old way of written code refers to the OC, which is "obey & live", "disobey & die".

What does the Spirit do as we learn to let Him lead? Doesn't He write the principle of God's law, love, in our hearts? Yes. So please the law of God hasn't been made void. The believer is not under it because no one is living Christ life and thus all stand condemned. To be condemned means death...the 2nd death. So Christ has delivered us from under the curse, but not so we could enjoy sin.

What law are we speaking about?

Again, Romans 7:7

For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

From what law does it state "Do not covet"? Right, the moral law.

So while the believer is not under the law the law is being written in His heart so that he will not condone and practice sin as a lifestyle.
 
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Run! The SDA are coming! The SDA are coming!

Yes, some teachings are in error, but I also see error in other Christian circles. So he who is without error be sure and throw the first stone....;)

Now here's the view that the SDA church has concerning infallibility:

"There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair." Ellen White

"We have many lessons to learn, and many, many to unlearn. God and heaven alone are infallible. Those who think that they will never have to give up a cherished view, never have occasion to change an opinion, will be disappointed." Ellen White

So that's the official view of the SDA.

So here's the thing...I see error in all churches, but even though many SDA are stuck in a subtle form of legalism the other churches (Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, etc) have error too....
 
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So while the believer is not under the law the law is being written in his heart so that he will not condone and practice sin as a lifestyle.

What do I mean?

Let's say someone with homosexual tendencies becomes a Christian. Would you tell him that he has been delivered from under the law so he can enjoy sex with other men?
 
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You're an excellent reason why I'm not SDA.

Well, there are different SDA within the church. There's evangelical...there's historic, there's traditional, etc. My point is there is plenty of disagreement in the SDA denomination.

Even so in the Sunday keeping churches there's disagreement. It's better to hash these things out then name call, right? I mean when I came here about half a year ago I was very hard on the Pope. Do you know what that does? It makes Catholics reject everything I say....

Do I disagree with Catholics? Yes. But then I disagree with most Christian churches. Keep in mind I attended an SDA church from 1988 to 1997. I left because I felt I was unwelcome....I felt like they were trapped into a subtle form of legalism. I couldn't deal with the self-righteous spirit there and so I quit.
 
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Romans 7:4 So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ....6 But now, by dying to what once bound us (the law, in Christ), we have been released from the law..."

The law cannot touch us because of our position in Christ. Clearly though, the law hasn't been abolished. Our humanity died its demands in Christ. Therefore it was our sinful life that died in Christ Jesus when He was crucified. See Romans 6:6/7:4. The law is satisfied, not abolished. The believer is dead as far as the justice of the law is concerned and yet alive "in Christ Jesus" before God's law in heaven. We are perfect in Christ.

Now, let's read the rest of Romans 7:6

"so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

Do you know what that means? The new way of the Spirit refers to the NC. The old way of written code refers to the OC, which is "obey & live", "disobey & die".

What does the Spirit do as we learn to let Him lead? Doesn't He write the principle of God's law, love, in our hearts? Yes. So please the law of God hasn't been made void. The believer is not under it because no one is living Christ life and thus all stand condemned. To be condemned means death...the 2nd death. So Christ has delivered us from under the curse, but not so we could enjoy sin.

What law are we speaking about?

Again, Romans 7:7

For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

From what law does it state "Do not covet"? Right, the moral law.

So while the believer is not under the law the law is being written in His heart so that he will not condone and practice sin as a lifestyle.
What ever you say. I find you have no desire to understand or accept the truth.
 
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Did you know that Christ Jesus did not enter into the Most Holy Place, until after He served in the Holy Place for the Prophetic Time so specified?

Of course He entered the Most Holy Place some 2000 years ago.

Heb. 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Heb. 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
 
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