Tiktaalik ha ha

[EternalDragon]

See, I saw that, and I thought that might be what you were getting at, but somehow, for some reason, I thought you were smarter than that. Proved me wrong.

Just because the first tetrapods appeared at the end of the Devonian, doesn't mean that's when the first frogs showed up. Yes, frogs are tetrapods. But the first tetrapods were not frogs.

Triadobatrachus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the earliest thing we've ever found that could reasonably be called a frog, and it doesn't show up until the late Triassic.

Perhaps science does not have their stories right because here it says they did evolve at the end of the Devonian.

Tetrapod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Subduction Zone]

Perhaps science does not have their stories right because here it says they did evolve at the end of the Devonian.

Tetrapod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong, it says tetrapods evolved at the end of the Devonian. It does not say that mammals evolved.

 

[EternalDragon]

You tried to argue that mammals showed up in the Devonian:

Clearly this was wrong and your sources say nothing of the kind. Are you going to admit this or not?

I will admit that I am right according to science. Clearly you haven't kept up with recent evidence findings.

The first tetrapods probably evolved in coastal and brackish marine environments, and in shallow and swampy freshwater habitats.[38] Formerly, researchers thought the timing was towards the end of the Devonian. In 2010, this belief was challenged by the discovery of the oldest known tetrapod tracks, preserved in marine sediments of the southern coast of Laurasia, now Świętokrzyskie (Holy Cross) Mountains of Poland. They were made during the Eifelian stage at the end of the Middle Devonian. The tracks, some of which show digits, date to about 395 million years ago—18 million years earlier than the oldest known tetrapod body fossils.[39] Additionally, the tracks show that the animal was capable of thrusting its arms and legs forward, a type of motion that would have been impossible in tetrapodomorph fish like Tiktaalik. The animal that produced the tracks is estimated to have been up to 2.5 metres (8.2 ft) long with footpads up to 26 centimetres (10 in) wide, although most tracks are only 15 centimetres (5.9 in) wide.[40] The new finds suggest that the first tetrapods may have lived as opportunists on the tidal flats, feeding on marine animals that were washed up or stranded by the tide.

Tetrapod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Black Akuma]

Perhaps science does not have their stories right because here it says they did evolve at the end of the Devonian.

Tetrapod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're messing with me, right? You're not really this dense?

No, it doesn't say that. It says tetrapods evovled at the end of the Devonian...but that just means that's when the first four-limbed animals showed up. That's all a tetrapod is.

Tetra=Four

Pod=Foot

That includes bears, skunks, alligators, dogs, rats, cats, bats, frogs, anteaters, eagles, hummingbirds, humans, and whole bunch of other things. Just because the first tetrapods appeared at the end of the Devonian does not mean that everything that is a tetrapod appeared at this time.

Do you understand this simple concept, now, or do I need to go more in-depth with things you should have learned in elementary school?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

I will admit that I am right according to science. Clearly you haven't kept up with recent evidence findings.

The first tetrapods probably evolved in coastal and brackish marine environments, and in shallow and swampy freshwater habitats.[38] Formerly, researchers thought the timing was towards the end of the Devonian. In 2010, this belief was challenged by the discovery of the oldest known tetrapod tracks, preserved in marine sediments of the southern coast of Laurasia, now Świętokrzyskie (Holy Cross) Mountains of Poland. They were made during the Eifelian stage at the end of the Middle Devonian. The tracks, some of which show digits, date to about 395 million years ago—18 million years earlier than the oldest known tetrapod body fossils.[39] Additionally, the tracks show that the animal was capable of thrusting its arms and legs forward, a type of motion that would have been impossible in tetrapodomorph fish like Tiktaalik. The animal that produced the tracks is estimated to have been up to 2.5 metres (8.2 ft) long with footpads up to 26 centimetres (10 in) wide, although most tracks are only 15 centimetres (5.9 in) wide.[40] The new finds suggest that the first tetrapods may have lived as opportunists on the tidal flats, feeding on marine animals that were washed up or stranded by the tide.

Tetrapod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you serious? When I asked if you were going to admit your error it was mostly a rhetorical question because I didn't seriously believe you would refuse.

You claimed mammals appear in the Devonian. You cited something that talks about the appearance of tetrapods as the appearance of amphibian-like tetrapods in the Devonian is the same thing as mammals in the Devonian. I'm asking you non-rhetorically now to admit your error on this subject.

Either you are contending that Devonian tetrapods are mammals or you must concede that mammals do not show up in the Devonian. Fair warning, if you go for option one I m ay laugh until I die.

P.S. This degree of absurdity reminds me of when Juve tried to argue that the Grand Canyon was actually straight.

 

[CabVet]

I will admit that I am right according to science. Clearly you haven't kept up with recent evidence findings.

The first tetrapods probably evolved in coastal and brackish marine environments, and in shallow and swampy freshwater habitats.[38] Formerly, researchers thought the timing was towards the end of the Devonian. In 2010, this belief was challenged by the discovery of the oldest known tetrapod tracks, preserved in marine sediments of the southern coast of Laurasia, now Świętokrzyskie (Holy Cross) Mountains of Poland. They were made during the Eifelian stage at the end of the Middle Devonian. The tracks, some of which show digits, date to about 395 million years ago—18 million years earlier than the oldest known tetrapod body fossils.[39] Additionally, the tracks show that the animal was capable of thrusting its arms and legs forward, a type of motion that would have been impossible in tetrapodomorph fish like Tiktaalik. The animal that produced the tracks is estimated to have been up to 2.5 metres (8.2 ft) long with footpads up to 26 centimetres (10 in) wide, although most tracks are only 15 centimetres (5.9 in) wide.[40] The new finds suggest that the first tetrapods may have lived as opportunists on the tidal flats, feeding on marine animals that were washed up or stranded by the tide.

Tetrapod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please, post that text again, but this time highlight the portion which says that there are mammals in the Devonian.

 

[CabVet]

Duplicate. Is the site very slow for anyone else today?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

I think we're witnessing something really special here, guys. I know it's hard to admit when you're wrong, but I have rarely seen such laughably misguided stubborness. He is attempting to defend a completely unambiguous mistake on his part. A little sad, a lot of funny.

 

[CabVet]

I think we're witnessing something really special here, guys. I know it's hard to admit when you're wrong, but I have rarely seen such laughably misguided stubborness. He is attempting to defend a completely unambiguous mistake on his part. A little sad, a lot of funny.

What is really sad is that if you had been here long enough, you would see this is neither special nor rare. Here is someone arguing that sharks are not fish:

Sharks belong to a completely different class of swimming creature of the cartilage structure, they do not have bones like any other species of fish, they are closer to rays than actual fish.

 

[EternalDragon]

Wrong, it says tetrapods evolved at the end of the Devonian. It does not say that mammals evolved.

Tetrapods are mammals. It's a superclass including
reptiles, aves, amphibians and mammals.

Aren't humans tetrapods? Aren't frogs tetrapods?
Aren't birds tetrapods?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Tetrapods are mammals. It's a superclass including
reptiles, aves, amphibians and mammals.

Aren't humans tetrapods? Aren't frogs tetrapods?
Aren't birds tetrapods?

Yes, tetrapods are a superclass.

I can't believe that you do not understand the incredible error that you made.

 

[Black Akuma]

Tetrapods are mammals. It's a superclass including
reptiles, aves, amphibians and mammals.

Aren't humans tetrapods? Aren't frogs tetrapods?
Aren't birds tetrapods?

That does not mean they all appeared at the end of the Devonian.

No one is saying that. At all. Ever.

Look, I understand the Bible is a holy book, but you can read other books beside it.

 

[CabVet]

Tetrapods are mammals. It's a superclass including
reptiles, aves, amphibians and mammals.

That is not correct. Tetrapods are not mammals. Mammals are a specific type of tetrapods. Saying that tetrapods appeared in the devonian is not the same as saying that mammals appeared in the Devonian. Birds are tetrapods and they are not mammals.

Aren't humans tetrapods? Aren't frogs tetrapods?
Aren't birds tetrapods?

Answer this: humans are tetrapods, did humans appear in the Devonian?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Tetrapods are mammals. It's a superclass including
reptiles, aves, amphibians and mammals.

Aren't humans tetrapods? Aren't frogs tetrapods?
Aren't birds tetrapods?

Bahahaha! Oh poor ED. I can't tell if you really believe this or if you are just too desperately proud to admit your obvious mistake.

Let's try this with an example:

All caucasians are humans, but not all humans are caucasian. It is correct to say that Masai tribesman are human. It is not correct to say that therefore Masai tribesman are causasian. See the parallell here?

 

[EternalDragon]

You're messing with me, right? You're not really this dense?

No, it doesn't say that. It says tetrapods evovled at the end of the Devonian...but that just means that's when the first four-limbed animals showed up. That's all a tetrapod is.

Tetra=Four

Pod=Foot

That includes bears, skunks, alligators, dogs, rats, cats, bats, frogs, anteaters, eagles, hummingbirds, humans, and whole bunch of other things. Just because the first tetrapods appeared at the end of the Devonian does not mean that everything that is a tetrapod appeared at this time.

Do you understand this simple concept, now, or do I need to go more in-depth with things you should have learned in elementary school?

Funny how I never said those animals were represented in what science calls the Devonian period. I simply called tetrapods mammals, which they are. When clicking on that link it takes you to a page of birds, snakes, frogs and lions. Not something that looks like an early version of one of those things.

So no, I'm not messing with you. I am following the information on the links.

 

[CabVet]

Tetrapods are mammals. It's a superclass including
reptiles, aves, amphibians and mammals.

Aren't humans tetrapods? Aren't frogs tetrapods?
Aren't birds tetrapods?

I will make this really easy for you, a great analogy using pictures and all. Here, take a look at this picture:

Let's call the above CAR #1, and that was produced in 1900. Now take a look at this picture:

Let's call the above CAR #2, which was produced in 2014.

The following statement is a fact:

Cars have been around since the 1900's.

What you are doing with mammals is the equivalent to using the statement above to support a statement that CAR #2 has been around since 1900. Even though CAR #2 is a car, it is a specific type of car that only appeared in 2014.

 

[CabVet]

No, I did not.

So, was creation week after the Devonian?

 

[CabVet]

Funny how I never said those animals were represented in what science calls the Devonian period. I simply called tetrapods mammals, which they are.

Oh no, you did not just do this.

Actually mammals did appear towards the end of the Devonian. That is what it says on a couple links I clicked on. Frogs, fish, mammals.

 

[Black Akuma]

When clicking on that link it takes you to a page of birds, snakes, frogs and lions.

Of course it would. It's a link for bloody tetrapods! You clicked on a link for tetrapods, and it took you to a page talking about tetrapods. It wasn't a link for 'early tetrapods'. Just tetrapods.

And that's still no excuse, because you're a grown man, and this is stuff you should have learned before graduating the sixth grade.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

I simply called tetrapods mammals, which they are.

All mammals are tetrapods but not all tetrapods are mammals. It is not therefore correct to say that mammals existed in the Devonian becuase tetrapods existed in the Devonian. How do you fail so amusingly to understand this concept? Do you also think that all polygons are triangles as well?


Okay, I'm reluctantly going to bed now. I look forward to reading more of ED's bizarre attempts to defend his embarrassingly obvious mistake. Everybody make sure to put a pillow or something down so that you don't injure your jaws as they drop clear to the floor with incredulity.