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[EternalDragon]

No whales. No dolphins. On land there were no mammals, no reptiles, no birds, no flowering plants, and no grasses. How do you explain this?

Actually mammals did appear towards the end of the Devonian. That is what it says on a couple links I clicked on. Frogs, fish, mammals. Then later come the dinosaurs in the Triassic and Jurassic.

The more I look at it, the more it looks like the result of a flood.

Really I think the whole supposed geological record is a house of cards.

 

[Black Akuma]

That is what it says on a couple links I clicked on.

Could you produce these links?

 

[EternalDragon]

That's not what you said, you said they "just appeared".

No, they don't just appear, they evolve. You are reading more into it because you already have a conclusion, the conclusion that they did not evolve. The reason why you don't get it is simply because you don't want to get it. Also, that text is very simplified, if you really wanted to understand this, you would have to read a lot more, and I have a feeling you don't want to do that.

What exactly is claimed without evidence? Can you give one example?

There is plenty of evidence supporting what is said in the links above, it is not fiction if you have rocks to support it. Again, the above text is very simplified, I can recommend many good books if you want to get into the details of the evidence.

So I could find this Devonian period in my back yard if I dug far enough? Not just in the Rhynie Chert in Scotland?

If it is an entire period over the whole planet, then I should be able to find it anywhere at the correct depth, right?

 

[EternalDragon]

Could you produce these links?

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[CabVet]

So I could find this Devonian period in my back yard if I dug far enough? Not just in the Rhynie Chert in Scotland?

If your backyard has the right conditions to preserve it, and has remained intact for hundreds of millions of years, yes.

If it is an entire period over the whole planet, then I should be able to find it anywhere at the correct depth, right?

If the entire planet had the right conditions, that would be correct, we both know that is not the case. Fossilization requires very specific conditions. Check this if you want to learn:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked...n-Period/69879/Correlation-of-Devonian-strata

Kentucky: http://www.uky.edu/KGS/geoky/devonian.htm

Illinois: https://archive.org/details/middledevonianst441nort

Western Canada: http://www.ags.gov.ab.ca/publications/wcsb_atlas/a_ch12/ch_12.html

Michigan: https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/handle/2022/229

New York: http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/pubsforsale/detail.cfm?pubID=5262

Oklahoma: http://archives.datapages.com/data/tgs/digest/data/035/035001/25_tgs350025.htm

Nevada: http://books.google.com/books?id=NW...Q6AEwATgU#v=onepage&q=devonian strata&f=false

Montana: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17834343

Brazil: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103284997737

New Zealand: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00288306.1965.10422129

China: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02842196#page-1

Mongolia: http://gsabulletin.gsapubs.org/content/early/2013/03/07/B30746.1

Eastern Asia: http://books.google.com/books?id=Od...HUQ6AEwCw#v=onepage&q=devonian strata&f=false

I do wonder though, why is it that there are no cows there since all animals were created in the same week. But guess what all of those strata have in common? A very similar and consistent fauna.

But again, you are not really interested in that, are you?

 

[Black Akuma]

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The word 'mammal' doesn't even appear in either of those links. Could you point out what you're talking about?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So I could find this Devonian period in my back yard if I dug far enough? Not just in the Rhynie Chert in Scotland?

If it is an entire period over the whole planet, then I should be able to find it anywhere at the correct depth, right?

The answer is maybe.

Not every area has every geologic era as you dig or drill down.

There are places where Devonian sediments may have been deposited in the past, but they were eroded before sometime in the past. Or you could live in an area that was above sea level during the Devonian and it was an area where erosion was occurring rather than deposition.

Not very area has sediments from every geologic age. That was never stated or predicted.

You only show your ignorance when you ask silly questions like this.

Seriously E.D, no insult intended, you should learn what you are trying to attack before you actually attack it.

 

[Black Akuma]

Oh, and neither article mentions frogs, either. I think you're confused.

 

[EternalDragon]

If your backyard has the right conditions to preserve it, yes.



If the entire planet had the right conditions, that would be correct, we both know that is not the case. Fossilization requires very specific conditions. Check this if you want to learn:

Devonian Period (geochronology) :: Correlation of Devonian strata -- Encyclopedia Britannica

I do wonder though, why is it that there are no cows there since all animals were created in the same week.

But again, you are not really interested in that, are you?

No cows where? In the Devonian? I never said the Devonian represented the creation week.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And the first mammals appeared about 225 million years ago, the Devonian was from 419 to 359 million years ago. Long before the first mammals appeared.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

The word 'mammal' doesn't even appear in either of those links. Could you point out what you're talking about?

Either his sources are faulty or he has completely misread them. More likely the latter if they don't, as you point out, mention mammals at all. I though perhaps he could have been confusing synapsids in general with mammals in particular, but they didn't show up until the Carboniferous.

 

[EternalDragon]

Oh, and neither article mentions frogs, either. I think you're confused.

This is from the link. Last I knew tetrapods includes frogs and mammals.

Of the greatest interest to us is the rise of the first sarcopterygiians, or the lobe-finned fish, which eventually produced the first tetrapods just before the end of the Devonian.

 

[CabVet]

No cows where? In the Devonian? I never said the Devonian represented the creation week.

No, you said creation week was before the Devonian, so there sure must have been cows there.

 

[CabVet]

This is from the link. Last I knew tetrapods includes frogs.

Of the greatest interest to us is the rise of the first sarcopterygiians, or the lobe-finned fish, which eventually produced the first tetrapods just before the end of the Devonian.

Tetrapods include humans too, so are you going to say that the article says that there are humans in the Devonian?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

This is from the link. Last I knew tetrapods includes frogs and mammals.

Of the greatest interest to us is the rise of the first sarcopterygiians, or the lobe-finned fish, which eventually produced the first tetrapods just before the end of the Devonian.

This is where a little basic knowledge comes in handy. All mammals are tetrapods but not all tetrapods are mammals. The first tetrapods in the fossil record are amphibian-type things, not mammals.

 

[EternalDragon]

No, you said creation week was before the Devonian, so there sure must have been cows there.

No, I did not.

 

[Black Akuma]

This is from the link. Last I knew tetrapods includes frogs.

See, I saw that, and I thought that might be what you were getting at, but somehow, for some reason, I thought you were smarter than that. Proved me wrong.

Just because the first tetrapods appeared at the end of the Devonian, doesn't mean that's when the first frogs showed up. Yes, frogs are tetrapods. But the first tetrapods were not frogs.

Triadobatrachus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the earliest thing we've ever found that could reasonably be called a frog, and it doesn't show up until the late Triassic.

 

[EternalDragon]

This is where a little basic knowledge comes in handy. All mammals are tetrapods but not all tetrapods are mammals. The first tetrapods in the fossil record are amphibian-type things, not mammals.

You mean like frogs, toads, newts, and salamanders. I thought you said they were not listed on the link I gave but they are, so I misread nothing.

Clicking on the tetrapod from that article takes you here:

Introduction to the Tetrapoda

 

[Black Akuma]

I thought you said they were not listed on the link I gave but they are

They aren't listed.

Do you understand what a tetrapod is?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

You mean like frogs, toads, newts, and salamanders. I thought you said they were not listed on the link I gave but they are, so I misread nothing.

Clicking on the tetrapod from that article takes you here:

Introduction to the Tetrapoda

You tried to argue that mammals showed up in the Devonian:

Actually mammals did appear towards the end of the Devonian.

Clearly this was wrong and your sources say nothing of the kind. Are you going to admit this or not?