Who has read the Book of Mormon?

[LegacyJB]

Friend,
Eternal marriage is of the new and everlasting covenant.
Traditional Orthodox take a vow that ends "until death do you part." So yes, they deny the eternalness of family, and cannot receive it.
They do not understand the full doctrine because Christ said the resurrected have no marriage and cannot marry. This is quite true. It is then too late. If they aren't sealed by then, they cannot have an increase for judgment time is upon them.
Peace

Correct. And I'm grateful for the covenant.

 

[LegacyJB]

LegacyJB, We each stand on our own here and on judgement day. There is no secret ceremony that will magically award you a continuance of this life, although you may desire it, and limited as it may be. There are no " degrees" to move up through.

There are many warnings throughout the bible about the lust of the flesh, and to be frank and honest with you, I believe Mormonism is a trap to keep you from knowing the true God. It is man-made and self exalting ,to keep you rooted in a flesh based system, using "family" as a cloak to indoctrinate you with its final theology " man becoming God".

You need to think long and hard about where all this leads.

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

I have. The great thing is after a lot of pondering, study, and prayer, I have come to the conclusion, and it's been confirmed by the Spirit of God, that this is the Lord's kingdom on earth; it shall continue to prepare me for His kingdom above. I don't know all there is and I'll never claim to but I do know who God is, for He is my Father in Heaven. He is the Father of my spirit as well as everyone else's: atheists, agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Jews, Baptists, Methodists, Satanists, Lutherans, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh-Day Adventists, Republican, Democrat, Nazi, Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Ladan, Saddam Hussein, emos, gothics, etc. Regardless of differences in beliefs, I do know that literally every person born to this earth past, present, and future is a child of God and nobody, including Satanists, is beyond the point of salvation through Jesus Christ if he or she will simply come so far as to the doctrine of Christ and keep pressing forward.

 

[Esdra]

I have.
I somehow even like it. it's a nice fiction story with some bible passages copied in.
I used to study it using the topical index and the guide to the scriptures. (as well as the d&c the pearl of great price and the holy bible itself).
and actually this studying brought me in the end to the Baptist church (or Protestantism in general).
many parts in the bom I can and could agree with since great parts are copied from the bible (often word by word).
I have used the guide to the scriptures to read my bible for quite a time when I had already been Baptist.
it's quite good I must say. and the bom itself is also pretty much inline with Baptist theology and belief. (the newer parts of the d&c and parts of the pogp are the scriptures that make Mormonism unorthodox imo. I can give you a list later if anyone is interested).
and to be honest, I have learned quite a lot about the bible using and it was quite a good addition to the preaches of my (former) Baptist pastor and the house bible groups I used to attend.

 

[mmksparbud]

You're misunderstanding what is taught here. Jesus was not talking about all marriages, he was referring to that specific case. Such a marriage was called a Levitical Marriage. It was tradition. The lesson learned here is a traditional marriage will break at death because it's not bound by God. A marriage bound by God, however, will stand throughout the eternities. Like I said, a heaven with no family is a hell. I'm grateful for the knowledge that families can be together forever. How do you feel knowing you believe you will have zero claim on your children?

There is no basis in stating that Christ was refering to that specific case. This was a woman who had had 7 husbands. Married in the sight of God, binding, just as any marriage is. Where in the bible does it state that there is a difference between what you call a "traditional" marriage and a marriage "bound" by God? What is the difference between this woman's first husband and the 7th. Christ said no marriages. The question asked Him was which husband would she be the wife of in heaven---He didn't say, just the 1st one. What he said applied to all--all 7 husbands and all marriages. Whatever God says, that's the way it is--He isn't asking for our permission. He didn't say we wouldn't be together, we will all be united with our saved loved ones. Just that marriage will no longer be needed there. No sex--that is for this world, and anything that God takes away, He replaces with something better. We will have our children, without fear of them getting sick, dieing, all will be perfect love--as the angels have.
We will no longer be thinking and acting with a carnal nature. That is what seems to bother some people, they can't get past the idea that sex is the biggest, most important thing in our lives. That's completely setting aside the whole spiritual love that God has set in place for us in the new earth. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean God is not able to to do what He says!
It seems like this whole thing about having a bunch of wives in heaven is all that the Mormons are interested in. That's never been God's plan, He created Adam and one Eve--He didn't creat Sue and Betty, and and a bunch of other women for Adam--just one woman as his helpmate. He told them the populate the earth. If the goal was merely to populate the earth, then He would have given Adam several wives, but He didn't. It's been man who came up with the idea of more than one wife. Men are so carnally minded that they can't comprehend heaven without sex, without them being dominate over woman--that's the whole thing in Mormonism--power and sex.
God is interested in spiritual love as the main goal--not sex.

The OP was who has read the book of Mormon and what we thought about it. Apparently that was not what was really wanted--What was wanted was a debate about how Mormonism is right and everybody else is wrong. Maybe next time you could make your intentions clearer.

 

[Norah63]

That is what I thought it would be too. Just who had read the book.
Not what a church teaches or adhears to.

 

[LegacyJB]

That proves nothing. Do you not think the pope believes that God told him he is right? Do you not think that Methodists and Lutherans believe that God has told them that their way is true? My brother claims that God spoke to him and told him there are many ways to heaven, that you don't have to come through Jesus. That proves nothing except that there are lying spirits. God has told me that the book of Mormon is not true. That proves absolutely nothing.

Such a ridiculous statement/argument to make.

It proves that God has given me an answer. You can't prove it and you can't disprove it. Only I can. Do you even respect it when others receive answers from God? My statement comes from my heart therefore there's nothing ridiculous about it. If you have a problem with people who receive answers from God you have more things to work on than you realize. I don't really care for any more comments from you because of how disrespectful you and some others are just because the LDS don't believe the exact same way you believe.

 

[LegacyJB]

I have.
I somehow even like it. it's a nice fiction story with some bible passages copied in.
I used to study it using the topical index and the guide to the scriptures. (as well as the d&c the pearl of great price and the holy bible itself).
and actually this studying brought me in the end to the Baptist church (or Protestantism in general).
many parts in the bom I can and could agree with since great parts are copied from the bible (often word by word).
I have used the guide to the scriptures to read my bible for quite a time when I had already been Baptist.
it's quite good I must say. and the bom itself is also pretty much inline with Baptist theology and belief. (the newer parts of the d&c and parts of the pogp are the scriptures that make Mormonism unorthodox imo. I can give you a list later if anyone is interested).
and to be honest, I have learned quite a lot about the bible using and it was quite a good addition to the preaches of my (former) Baptist pastor and the house bible groups I used to attend.

The people who claim it was copied from the Bible don't understand the Book of Mormon. If they did they would know there was no copying done.

 

[LegacyJB]

There is no basis in stating that Christ was refering to that specific case. This was a woman who had had 7 husbands. Married in the sight of God, binding, just as any marriage is. Where in the bible does it state that there is a difference between what you call a "traditional" marriage and a marriage "bound" by God? What is the difference between this woman's first husband and the 7th. Christ said no marriages. The question asked Him was which husband would she be the wife of in heaven---He didn't say, just the 1st one. What he said applied to all--all 7 husbands and all marriages. Whatever God says, that's the way it is--He isn't asking for our permission. He didn't say we wouldn't be together, we will all be united with our saved loved ones. Just that marriage will no longer be needed there. No sex--that is for this world, and anything that God takes away, He replaces with something better. We will have our children, without fear of them getting sick, dieing, all will be perfect love--as the angels have.
We will no longer be thinking and acting with a carnal nature. That is what seems to bother some people, they can't get past the idea that sex is the biggest, most important thing in our lives. That's completely setting aside the whole spiritual love that God has set in place for us in the new earth. Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean God is not able to to do what He says!
It seems like this whole thing about having a bunch of wives in heaven is all that the Mormons are interested in. That's never been God's plan, He created Adam and one Eve--He didn't creat Sue and Betty, and and a bunch of other women for Adam--just one woman as his helpmate. He told them the populate the earth. If the goal was merely to populate the earth, then He would have given Adam several wives, but He didn't. It's been man who came up with the idea of more than one wife. Men are so carnally minded that they can't comprehend heaven without sex, without them being dominate over woman--that's the whole thing in Mormonism--power and sex.
God is interested in spiritual love as the main goal--not sex.

The OP was who has read the book of Mormon and what we thought about it. Apparently that was not what was really wanted--What was wanted was a debate about how Mormonism is right and everybody else is wrong. Maybe next time you could make your intentions clearer.

The intent was to see who has read the Book of Mormon and then critics decided to go off in different directions.

 

[Ran77]

Yep. The non Canonicals agree. The Father is light, the inner. Hades is the removed from him, the outer area. Darkness.

"Still for a third time I went - I am the light which exists in the light, I am the remembrance of the Pronoia - that I might enter into the midst of darkness and the inside of Hades. And I filled my face with the light of the completion of their aeon. And I entered into the midst of their prison, which is the prison of the body.-Secret John

Interesting quote. Thank you for posting it.

 

[donfish06]

It proves that God has given me an answer. You can't prove it and you can't disprove it. Only I can. Do you even respect it when others receive answers from God? My statement comes from my heart therefore there's nothing ridiculous about it. If you have a problem with people who receive answers from God you have more things to work on than you realize. I don't really care for any more comments from you because of how disrespectful you and some others are just because the LDS don't believe the exact same way you believe.

I didn't say I don't respect it, what I said was that you posting it as a reason that the book is true is ridiculous. Many people claim to have been told something of God.

 

[Norah63]

How many that have posted on this thread have actually read the book all the way through?
If so have you read the entire bible as well?
Just asking.

 

[LegacyJB]

How many that have posted on this thread have actually read the book all the way through?
If so have you read the entire bible as well?
Just asking.

6+ times for both

 

[Jake255]

How many that have posted on this thread have actually read the book all the way through?
If so have you read the entire bible as well?
Just asking.

This question has already been asked and answered, it's the OP. Go back and find the posts where people already answered instead of making everyone re-answer over and over and over again.

 

[Moodshadow]

How many that have posted on this thread have actually read the book all the way through?
If so have you read the entire bible as well?
Just asking.

Does reading either book all the way through - or any certain number of times - make it more or less true? What is the point of your question?

 

[Norah63]

Just asking, do not think that is off topic.
And yes I did check back to see how many answered the original question.
And how many did not, yet had lots to say.

 

[Tony Kara]

Hi all, New guy here.
Yes, I have read the Book of Mormon, and the other writings. I was engaged with an ongoing.conversation with two Mormon missionaries this past summer. The discussions came to a screeching halt when, after reading their.stuff, and engaging in detailed dialogue, I asked .them if.they would.read the Bible from cover to cover and pray to find out if it were not only true, but.translated.correctly as well. I was quite surprise with this, as I trusted.that they would hold themselves to the same standard of qualification,.as.they helps.me.to. I am curious to hear what folks have to say about this matter.

 

[LegacyJB]

I didn't say I don't respect it, what I said was that you posting it as a reason that the book is true is ridiculous. Many people claim to have been told something of God.

Wow. You claim to be a Christian yet believe it's ridiculous to accept something as truth when God says something is true?

 

[LegacyJB]

Hi all, New guy here.
Yes, I have read the Book of Mormon, and the other writings. I was engaged with an ongoing.conversation with two Mormon missionaries this past summer. The discussions came to a screeching halt when, after reading their.stuff, and engaging in detailed dialogue, I asked .them if.they would.read the Bible from cover to cover and pray to find out if it were not only true, but.translated.correctly as well. I was quite surprise with this, as I trusted.that they would hold themselves to the same standard of qualification,.as.they helps.me.to. I am curious to hear what folks have to say about this matter.

Quite simply the Bible has never been translated 100% correctly. The words from the original writers, the prophets and apostles, are true, but translations have been solely of man's knowledge. To say the Bible is translated 100% correctly is to not understand the basics of translation in general. Not everything translates over into another language perfectly. Have you noticed the italicized words in the Bible? When the men who used the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts to translate they were fully aware that not everything would translate in a way where it would make sense. These scholars had to make best guesses according to what they thought would make sense.

In the popular verse "God is a spirit," the "is" is in italics. This is because the word was inserted by the translator. It originally said "God spirit". The a isn't there because the Greek language doesn't have the indefinite article of "a".

In the old testament there is a verse which says "suffer not a witch to live." Witch wasn't in the manuscript. When the KJV was made these scholars believed in burning those who were thought to be witches. Rather than witch, scholars today universally agree that the word "murderer" is the correct translation.

These are very very few examples. Those who oppose the idea of the Bible not being translated correctly often refer to the dead sea scrolls for authenticity of the Bible. These are not the very original manuscripts. We have copies of copies of copies but we don't have the original writings of the prophets themselves.

Here's another that makes for a good discussion: do you believe an evil spirit comes from God?

 

[Tony Kara]

Quite simply the Bible has never been translated 100% correctly. The words from the original writers, the prophets and apostles, are true, but translations have been solely of man's knowledge. To say the Bible is translated 100% correctly is to not understand the basics of translation in general. Not everything translates over into another language perfectly. Have you noticed the italicized words in the Bible? When the men who used the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts to translate they were fully aware that not everything would translate in a way where it would make sense. These scholars had to make best guesses according to what they thought would make sense.

In the popular verse "God is a spirit," the "is" is in italics. This is because the wore was inserted by the translator. It originally said "God spirit". The a isn't there because the Greek language doesn't have the indefinite article of "a".

In the old testament there is a verse which says "suffer not a witch to live." Witch wasn't in the manuscript. When the KJV was made these scholars believed in burning those who were thought to be witches. Rather than witch, scholars today universally agree that the word "murderer" is the correct translation.

These are very very few examples. Those who oppose the idea of the Bible not being translated correctly often refer to the dead sea scrolls for authenticity of the Bible. These are not the very original manuscripts. We have copies of copies of copies but we don't have the original writings of the prophets themselves.

Here's another that makes for a good discussion: do you believe an evil spirit comes from God?

Hi there JB,
Thanks for the Kione and Chaldean pseudo-tutorials. Perhaps you will supply a.link to a Reformed Egyptian Lexicon, this way you can hold.the BoM to the same.standard as you do the Bible, which was the the the point of.my post.

B.T.W. , since.1.Samuel 16 clearly says that.Papa sent an.evil.spirit to.torment Saul, why would you think I would.not believe that Papa has AUTHOURITY over all of creation. This includes the rebellious.spirits.who were.tossed out on their ears. We know that .Papa.is.totally and.compleatly.SOVEREIGN in all.matters,so.thar even those.spirits in rebellion, have no.choice.but to obey Him.

 

[LegacyJB]

Hi there JB,
Thanks for the Kione and Chaldean pseudo-tutorials. Perhaps you will supply a.link to a Reformed Egyptian Lexicon, this way you can hold.the BoM to the same.standard as you do the Bible, which was the the the point of.my post.

B.T.W. , since.1.Samuel 16 clearly says that.Papa sent an.evil.spirit to.torment Saul, why would you think I would.not believe that Papa has AUTHOURITY over all of creation. This includes the rebellious.spirits.who were.tossed out on their ears. We know that .Papa.is.totally and.compleatly.SOVEREIGN in all.matters,so.thar even those.spirits in rebellion, have no.choice.but to obey Him.

I see you are one of those who do not understand what it means for there to be a "reformed Egyptian." What is that exactly? Good question. Let's answer that. What is a reformed anything? To be reformed is to be changed or modified. In the U.S. we speak a modified form of English which can also be called reformed English. The way we write it is also modified. The same applies to the ancient text that was found upon the Golden Plates. The text was simply a modified form of Egyptian. For anyone to say a reformed Egyptian language doesn't exist is to show a lack of not necessarily wisdom but knowledge. Every language has been reformed.

Do the claims made in 1 Samuel match up with anything else in the Bible that talks about which spirits come from whom? Will God give anyone an evil spirit? Certainly not; such action is not of God. Our Father never gives us anything evil. If He would, He would cease to be God. God does punish but He does not distribute that which is evil.