Deliverance Ministry

[whatfor]

I was involved in one attempt at our church, when a woman with long term stomach pain came out for healing.
When we prayed she cried in pain , then she started to laugh.
We stopped although I felt this was wrong, we were deceived.
We and others prayed for at at least three other times each time the people with me or praying for her stopped at the laugh.
I have heard she is still in the same state as before although she no longer comes to church because she looks after her sick mother.
If we were trained we could have been more help.

 

[whatfor]

In our denomination it is not at all uncommon to pray for healing for a stranger in the grocery store, or for your waitress at a restaurant somewhere, or whoever, wherever.

We do that , it is not the same as praying for a visiting pastor I guess.

 

[talitha]

I was involved in one attempt at our church, when a woman with long term stomach pain came out for healing.
When we prayed she cried in pain , then she started to laugh.
We stopped although I felt this was wrong, we were deceived.
We and others prayed for at at least three other times each time the people with me or praying for her stopped at the laugh.
I have heard she is still in the same state as before although she no longer comes to church because she looks after her sick mother.
If we were trained we could have been more help.

Yes, that's the kind of thing I see more often than not - people who really don't know what they're doing, fumbling around and not really having any lasting effect. Many people act like they know what they are doing - may even believe it themselves - but they are guessing. It's pitiful.

 

[JimB]

I am coming to believe that demonic influence, oppression, possession - whatever you want to call it - is more pervasive than we tend to think. For a long time I have wanted to know more about deliverance, to learn how to minister in that way, but many times, when there is a need for that, it happens behind closed doors. Even if a person manifests in a worship service, he or she is quickly whisked away, and those in the know go along to do what needs to be done. Even when I took a ministry training class under the apostle of my church, I didn't learn much at all about deliverance. But in a facebook chat with an online friend in Ghana she quickly identified the type of spirit behind something that has been messing with me for several years. I am beginning to think that we have turned a blind eye to these things for so long in Western Christianity (even in Spirit-filled churches) that we think they don't exist - which gives them all kinds of leeway to mess with us.

Any thoughts on this?

Does anyone know of some deliverance ministries with real knowledge and spiritual authority and a history of success in dealing with these things? When I look up topics in this area, I almost always end up with resources from Africa. I'm glad they have resources there, but how about in the West?

blessings
tal

I am Vineyard (by choice) and, while I have not seen a lot of “deliverances” (either in the Vineyard or in the Pentecostal/Charismatic groups I have been associated with over the years), I have come to believe that demons are probably more extant than I once believed but I also believe that a Christian has more power/authority over demons than I once suspected. I have simply “cast out” devils by addressing them (and without a special prayer, amulet, holy water, script or anything) and been able to command them. It has been a simple as that, though admittedly, some are more stubborn than others. The last demon I confronted was a demonized young woman from another city who was visiting our local Christian bookstore. The owner of the bookstore had called me, saying that a woman was in the store “manifesting a demon” and he needed someone “with some experience” to help him with her. When I arrived at the store the woman, whom I had never met, looked at me and hissed, “I hate you!” I shrugged it off and said (to the demon), “Well, okay, and I am not fond of you, either. Now, you are going to have to leave in Jesus’ name.” It took a few moments, but eventually the demon left, and she was delivered. I do not know what happened to her after she left, she returned to her hometown, but at least for the moment she was free of an oppressive spirit.

While I am no expert on deliverance ministry, I will say that every encounter I have had with a demonized person has been simply exercising my God-given “power over all demons” (Luke 9.1) and my divine right as a inheritor of Jesus’ name.

 

[FoundInGrace]

Jesus is Awesome!
I'm glad He's my (our) big brother looking out for His younger brothers and sisters Demons do just submit to Him all the time He's so powerful.


Romans 8:29

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.


There have been times I sure in all our lives when the demons come visiting and yet In Jesus Name if you tell them to leave you alone they will In Jesus Name.

When I was an atheist for a short time I had no backup against darkness, nothing to protect me it was truly frightening in the dark of night when I did not believe in Jesus and the demons knew it. Part of why I started coming back to God because only Jesus could protect me from that stuff.

now different story, under God's wing there's shelter and safety and peace to sleep at night.
The Angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him - Psalm 91 is exactly how it is.
Jesus is Awesome

 

[Strachan]

I agree, ideally we should be doing deliverance in public. It makes a huge difference, and it raises the level of faith. As public deliverance takes place, many people are delivered at once, each on their own respectively. I am not against private deliverance, as that is needed too. Often during a public deliverance we simply cannot go that deep as may be required, but generally some level of relief is achieved. Also, we need to follow the example of Jesus. If you were to examine the setting in which Jesus did deliverance, in the majority of cases it was in fact in a public setting.

I also believe the prevalence of demons is far greater than might be suspected. There is no need to fear, but this is simply an observation.

As for the laying on of hands - we see in Timothy that there is caution against this. Personally I have witnessed the transference of spirits to a strong Christian, it does happen. Again, I believe that God grants a special anointing of protection to the person ministering deliverance, in that the person ministering is not affected.
I have encountered a person that have received demons from someone at church, during the laying on of hands. The caution is valid.

For deliverance as a ministry to be effective, it is best to work in a team with intercessors, as well as persons in the group with the spiritual gifts, discernment of spirits, and words of knowledge.

Be blessed.

 

[talitha]

I agree, ideally we should be doing deliverance in public. It makes a huge difference, and it raises the level of faith. As public deliverance takes place, many people are delivered at once, each on their own respectively. I am not against private deliverance, as that is needed too. Often during a public deliverance we simply cannot go that deep as may be required, but generally some level of relief is achieved. Also, we need to follow the example of Jesus. If you were to examine the setting in which Jesus did deliverance, in the majority of cases it was in fact in a public setting.

I also believe the prevalence of demons is far greater than might be suspected. There is no need to fear, but this is simply an observation.

This. "Be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

I have encountered a person that have received demons from someone at church, during the laying on of hands. The caution is valid.

Yes, it is. That actually happened to me. I had to get delivered next. But praise the Lord, I was able to recognize what was happening and ask for deliverance, since I had dealt with that spirit before.

For deliverance as a ministry to be effective, it is best to work in a team with intercessors, as well as persons in the group with the spiritual gifts, discernment of spirits, and words of knowledge.

Yes, this is VERY important. God has designed us to work as a body, not as individuals, at least not for that to be the norm.

 

[FoundInGrace]

I think its better for the person being delivered sometimes if its private. A lot of times theres much shame as a result of abuse that the devil has used to set up strongholds in their life. God delivered me in my own home in such a caring compassionate way that protected my dignity because He loved me as His daughter. God used a guy via email to do that to get the truth to me that I needed and the guy and his team were praying big I could feel their prayers and God answered their prayers for me. God's presense was very strong. I had been very hurt in a church so there was no way I could have gone to a church to get help and God had much compassion about that. It was a battle and I'm so grateful God respected me as a person so it was in a private situation it made me love Him more that He gave me that dignity.

 

[ARBITER01]

I am coming to believe that demonic influence, oppression, possession - whatever you want to call it - is more pervasive than we tend to think. For a long time I have wanted to know more about deliverance, to learn how to minister in that way, but many times, when there is a need for that, it happens behind closed doors. Even if a person manifests in a worship service, he or she is quickly whisked away, and those in the know go along to do what needs to be done. Even when I took a ministry training class under the apostle of my church, I didn't learn much at all about deliverance. But in a facebook chat with an online friend in Ghana she quickly identified the type of spirit behind something that has been messing with me for several years. I am beginning to think that we have turned a blind eye to these things for so long in Western Christianity (even in Spirit-filled churches) that we think they don't exist - which gives them all kinds of leeway to mess with us.

Normally most Christians nowadays are outright failures in demonic deliverance and spiritual healing, so they go through the motions behind closed doors.

Power from GOD is totally dependent on our holiness. Just because I may yell at something doesn't mean it will listen to me, it takes the power of GOD to force things out of people.

 

[talitha]

Normally most Christians nowadays are outright failures in demonic deliverance and spiritual healing, so they go through the motions behind closed doors.

This is what I have begun to suspect.

 

[Realmenlovejesus]

No Christian can be possessed because the word means to have ownership. Demonic influence is the much larger case. Read the book by Derek Prince called thy shall expel demons. He is the expert on this subject. You are right though! Satan is in full force.

 

[Willie T]

I agree, ideally we should be doing deliverance in public. It makes a huge difference, and it raises the level of faith. As public deliverance takes place, many people are delivered at once, each on their own respectively. I am not against private deliverance, as that is needed too. Often during a public deliverance we simply cannot go that deep as may be required, but generally some level of relief is achieved. Also, we need to follow the example of Jesus. If you were to examine the setting in which Jesus did deliverance, in the majority of cases it was in fact in a public setting.

I also believe the prevalence of demons is far greater than might be suspected. There is no need to fear, but this is simply an observation.

As for the laying on of hands - we see in Timothy that there is caution against this. Personally I have witnessed the transference of spirits to a strong Christian, it does happen. Again, I believe that God grants a special anointing of protection to the person ministering deliverance, in that the person ministering is not affected.
I have encountered a person that have received demons from someone at church, during the laying on of hands. The caution is valid.

For deliverance as a ministry to be effective, it is best to work in a team with intercessors, as well as persons in the group with the spiritual gifts, discernment of spirits, and words of knowledge.

Be blessed.

I do hope you were being tongue-in-cheek here. Careful, some people might take you seriously.

 

[ChangedByHim]

I highly recommend Dr. Lester Sumrall on the subject of demonology and deliverance. I graduated from his Bible College and sat under his ministry for a few years. He has several books on the subject and was looked upon as one of the world's leading experts on the subject. I witnessed him being used in powerful deliverance ministry numerous times.

 

[talitha]

The word in the Greek is more accurately rendered "demonized" - and while it may imply ownership, it also may not. It can also mean affected or influenced by a demon. Christians are definitely sometimes affected or influenced by demons, and have even needed to have demons cast out of them. I've seen it happen.

 

[tturt]

Transference of spirits - d like to be in human bodies (Matt 12:43-45). So when deliverance is happening and they're leaving, they're looking for another body.

Yet we still need to follow Scripture with the laying on of hands as in Heb 6.

It's a good idea for anyone who serves in any type of ministry to prepare spiritually beforehand which helps get our focus on Yahweh.

 

[talitha]

Sumerall - ah, wow, I think I have a book by him somewhere.. . .

 

[Willie T]

Slow down people.

How do you, on the one hand seem to have the understanding that demons do not possess Christians, then in the next breath claim they will come into you if you are helping free someone of their influence?

It's bad enough to get so confused about what the Bible is talking about with "The doctrine of Laying on of Hands (Especially when Timothy is TOTALLY misread), but to go off the deep end like this is something to get in check.

"He who is in me is stronger than he who is in the world." You now choose to disbelieve that? I almost feel like asking the famous question of Galatians, "Who has bewitched you?"

 

[Strachan]

Hi Willie,

I am not quite sure exactly which part/s of the discussion you don't agree with. The caution against the laying on of hands, or the fact that Christians (including pastors) can have demons? People involved in this area of ministry see it literally every day. Pretty much every single book on deliverance, written also by Christians, will also tell you the same story. Many, not all, but certainly many illnesses of body or spirit are caused by demons.

I have already told you that I have personally seen the transference of spirits happen during the laying on of hands, so either believe it, or not. Know that I have no reason to lie. There is no need to fear. He that is in me, is greater than the one in the world.

Also, just to clarify the discussion, Christians can have demons, but they cannot be possessed. What this means is like the story of driving a car. In a Christian it works like this: the Christian is the driver of the car, and in the car there might be passengers (demons such as in the body causing sickness). The Christian is at all times the driver, and ultimately decides where he is driving to. He might at times take note of the demands or suggestions by the passengers, but he is the driver and is in full control, as he makes the decisions.
The non-Christian : in this scenario the driver of the vehicle is the demon, and the non-believer becomes a passenger. In other words can be fully possessed.

Hope that helps.

 

[Realmenlovejesus]

The word “possessed” mean to have ownership. Once you come to Christ than Satan cannot own what belongs to God. Influenced means they can still vomit, speak in other languages etc...


As they were going away, behold, a demon-oppressed man who was mute was brought to him. 33 And when the demon had been cast out, the mute man spoke. And the crowds marveled, saying, “Never was anything like this seen in Israel.” Matthew 9: 23-33

The word oppressed means something totally different than possessed and this can in fact happen to Christians and does every day.

Hebrew meaning for oppressed

OPPRESS'ED, pp. burdened with unreasonable impositions; overpowered; overburdened; depressed.

The bible says demon oppressed which implies that someone was over powered but not owned by the devil.

I hope this helps…

p.s. I think you both have good points and maybe just needed to word it differently.

This subject is best explained by Derek Prince

Derek Prince was an international Bible teacher whose daily radio programme Derek Prince Legacy Radio broadcasts to half the population of the world in various languages.

He was probably most noted for his teachings about deliverance from demonic oppression and about Israel


He was a kings scholar which is the highest award from Cambridge one of the best schools in the world. He knows many languages including Hebrew so he has a good understanding of the original translation.

No one is better on the subject and although brother Derek is no longer with us most people who speak of this subject look up to people like him.

Also yes Lester Sumrall is very good they were probably buds lol

 

[talitha]

The word “possessed” mean to have ownership. Once you come to Christ than Satan cannot own what belongs to God.

Yes, that is an English word; I was talking about the original Greek.

Influenced means they can still vomit, speak in other languages etc...

yeah, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here....

As they were going away, behold, a demon-oppressed man who was mute was brought to him. 33 And when the demon had been cast out, the mute man spoke. And the crowds marveled, saying, “Never was anything like this seen in Israel.” Matthew 9: 23-33

The word oppressed means something totally different than possessed and this can in fact happen to Christians and does every day.

Hebrew meaning for oppressed

OPPRESS'ED, pp. burdened with unreasonable impositions; overpowered; overburdened; depressed.

Yes, oppressed means something different (what you posted was the ENGLISH meaning of the word "oppressed"), but in this verse in Matthew, the same word is used in the original Greek (and in the NASB) as in the verses talking about possession. I am not sure why whatever version you used has "oppressed" there. I just looked up the meaning in Strong's - it means "to be under the power of a demon".

There is another word that is rendered "oppressed" in the NASB - it means literally "to exercise harsh control over one, to use one's power against one". Neither word implies "ownership".

I think people latch onto this "oppressed not possessed" thing because it makes them feel better, but the truth there's no need. The whole "ownership" thing is a lie created by the devil - he owns no one, though many people are convinced that he does. He is a LIAR.