Deliverance Ministry

[Willie T]

For a time, I was Calvary Chapel.

Me too... for about a year. Limiting manifestations of the Spirit in the assembly kind of bothered me, so I moved on.

 

[Joy]

I'm Vineyard, so what can I say? We usually don't even see deliverance as anything but just a continuing part of normal healing.

I totally agree with this

About 5 years ago I went to see someone who had been trained by Bob Larson and that experience was absolutely terrible. But thank God He provided me with some Christian friends who see deliverance exactly as Willie T has said.

I hae met several ministers in Uk whose have personally encountered the Father's love and minister out of that place of knowing God's Love. We all need to know Father God loves so yes our hearts do need healing from rejections etc and in that process it is possible that demonic influences, oppressions and strongholds need to be broken but this is a process and is totally different from how those like Bob Larson operate.

 

[talitha]

Oh yeah, I think Bob Larson is too much of a showman when it comes to deliverance. It's not about a show; it's about effectiveness.

 

[Willie T]

Never heard of this Bob Larson, but most of our healing and deliverance is simple, fairly calm and low key, and consists of short commands, and very little physical contact... mostly just touching the area affected, if the person is touched at all.

 

[Tenebrae]

Speaking as an abuse and rape survivor, I would have an incredibly bad reaction if a stranger put their hands on me without my permission eg me punching you. Even now 7 years after the last rape, I still have a visceral reaction to being touched by strangers.

Be aware that people you are ministering deliverance to may be survivors from incredibly traumatic journeys and if you put your hands on them without seeking permission you may freak them out and cause more harm.

Never heard of this Bob Larson, but most of our healing and deliverance is simple, fairly calm and low key, and consists of short commands, and very little physical contact... mostly just touching the area affected, if the person is touched at all.

 

[Ajax 777]

Seven years???

But that's 2006, when you posted here under the name of wizeone.

Sister, I am speechlessly sorry. I had no idea.

 

[Willie T]

Speaking as an abuse and rape survivor, I would have an incredibly bad reaction if a stranger put their hands on me without my permission eg me punching you. Even now 7 years after the last rape, I still have a visceral reaction to being touched by strangers.

Be aware that people you are ministering deliverance to may be survivors from incredibly traumatic journeys and if you put your hands on them without seeking permission you may freak them out and cause more harm.

This is one of several reasons we often don't touch people, and of course, we always ask if they are OK with it.

And if you DO touch someone... NEVER stroke or "caress" anyone. You would be surprised at how often that is a normal and natural action for someone compassionate and sympathetic. But it still should not be done.

 

[FoundInGrace]

Speaking as an abuse and rape survivor, I would have an incredibly bad reaction if a stranger put their hands on me without my permission eg me punching you. Even now 7 years after the last rape, I still have a visceral reaction to being touched by strangers.

Be aware that people you are ministering deliverance to may be survivors from incredibly traumatic journeys and if you put your hands on them without seeking permission you may freak them out and cause more harm.

You dont have to reply to this but do you think that visceral reaction ever goes away? Or can it ever heal.

I have similar and get really annoyed about it sometimes..

 

[Andrea411]

I am coming to believe that demonic influence, oppression, possession - whatever you want to call it - is more pervasive than we tend to think. For a long time I have wanted to know more about deliverance, to learn how to minister in that way, but many times, when there is a need for that, it happens behind closed doors. Even if a person manifests in a worship service, he or she is quickly whisked away, and those in the know go along to do what needs to be done. Even when I took a ministry training class under the apostle of my church, I didn't learn much at all about deliverance. But in a facebook chat with an online friend in Ghana she quickly identified the type of spirit behind something that has been messing with me for several years. I am beginning to think that we have turned a blind eye to these things for so long in Western Christianity (even in Spirit-filled churches) that we think they don't exist - which gives them all kinds of leeway to mess with us.

Any thoughts on this?

Does anyone know of some deliverance ministries with real knowledge and spiritual authority and a history of success in dealing with these things? When I look up topics in this area, I almost always end up with resources from Africa. I'm glad they have resources there, but how about in the West?

blessings
tal

Best resource I know… and there is much there. Derek Prince has passed away but his ministry resources are still available online and free.
personal note… demons are not deaf… never make the person being delivered feel like they are some abomination…. make sure you are clear prior to doing a deliverance. Encourage absolute honesty and give absolute anonymity to the person. Deliver from all sin even ones they have not knowingly committed i.e.: homosexuality, beastiality, etc etc… because demonic spirits can attach themselves through others who may have been involved with the person, especially if the involvement was sexual. Its easier if you give the person a list… explaining that it doesn't matter that they have not committed these sins, it is the demons you are addressing. The person should be co-operative and not frightened. As the deliverance proceeds, there may and probably should be a physical reaction, have a vomit bag available and be very patient. We can be oppressed not possessed but it is humiliating for most Christians to admit it.
I and my daughter went through deliverances, they were quiet and loving people. I felt compelled to co-operate and the desire to be free was more important then my pride… which I also needed to be delivered from…LOL. I have been involved in deliverances with this same couple and have seen marvelous outcomes, but it is not you, it is really between them, the demons and the Lord. But you must know who you are in Christ and not be fearful of them…. very important. It is His authority you are acting in… not your own.
Sorry so much to explain, D.P. can do it much better then I.
God bless, andrea

Derek Prince - Basics of Deliverance - YouTube

 

[whatfor]

One of my issues with touching is when a visiting speaker does not allow anyone to lay hands on them , in case they pick up something from them, but they can lay hands on anyone they like and have others lay hands on each other.
I understand the point they make , but do we not matter too.
If it is that easy to pick up a spirit or demon then why do they encourage what they fear for themselves.

 

[tturt]

Good observation.

 

[Andrea411]

One of my issues with touching is when a visiting speaker does not allow anyone to lay hands on them , in case they pick up something from them, but they can lay hands on anyone they like and have others lay hands on each other.
I understand the point they make , but do we not matter too.
If it is that easy to pick up a spirit or demon then why do they encourage what they fear for themselves.

Bc the lecturer is teaching 50 (?) people - then he/she will be touched by 50 people. If they ask you to lay hands on the person next to you, you have a choice as to how many and whom you will touch. What happens if the speaker discerns demonic activity on someone…. maybe something he himself has struggled with. Is he suppose to stop just one person from touching him? That would make a public spectacle of one person. It is easier to just ask that no one touch him…. just a thought.
I would not assume they didn't care about you but that you might need the experience of deliverance to feel like you know what is allowable and what is not.
God bless, andrea

PS: I started watching Derek Prince's you tube videos. Extraordinary. I have read books on the subject but the videos are much better for teaching.

 

[talitha]

Well, hopefully my computer will be up and running soon - having problems and using a "ministry computer" (the one we let the boys play with) right now, and the sound is not working on it....

 

[whatfor]

Bc the lecturer is teaching 50 (?) people - then he/she will be touched by 50 people. If they ask you to lay hands on the person next to you, you have a choice as to how many and whom you will touch. What happens if the speaker discerns demonic activity on someone…. maybe something he himself has struggled with. Is he suppose to stop just one person from touching him? That would make a public spectacle of one person. It is easier to just ask that no one touch him…. just a thought.
I would not assume they didn't care about you but that you might need the experience of deliverance to feel like you know what is allowable and what is not.
God bless, andrea

PS: I started watching Derek Prince's you tube videos. Extraordinary. I have read books on the subject but the videos are much better for teaching.

I agree to a point , but if anyone discerns demonic activity in me I would rather they deal with it right there.

 

[Willie T]

One of my issues with touching is when a visiting speaker does not allow anyone to lay hands on them , in case they pick up something from them, but they can lay hands on anyone they like and have others lay hands on each other.
I understand the point they make , but do we not matter too.
If it is that easy to pick up a spirit or demon then why do they encourage what they fear for themselves.

Pardon me, but this sounds like one of the strangest things I have ever heard. Who did this?

 

[talitha]

Willie, that kind of thing is really common in the more Pentecostal(TM) churches.

 

[Willie T]

Willie, that kind of thing is really common in the more Pentecostal(TM) churches.

In our denomination it is not at all uncommon to pray for healing for a stranger in the grocery store, or for your waitress at a restaurant somewhere, or whoever, wherever.

 

[Andrea411]

I agree to a point , but if anyone discerns demonic activity in me I would rather they deal with it right there.

There are times when wisdom especially in new Christians is more useful and besides that… I once saw a spirit of murder on a man. He continually frightened me and reminded me of someone I knew in decades earlier who had committed murder. I went to the pastor bc he was in the same prayer group and I couldn't shake it. The pastor told me, this man had witnessed his mother murdered in front of him. So it would be very hurtful for someone to call that out in public… after what this man had gone through. Now the pastor had something he could speak to him about when the time was more appropriate.
So your wanting to deal with it there and then is fine, but often a deliverance might take hours…. I've seen them go on for 7-8 hours. As long as the person is still manifesting and wants to continue. It is a huge commitment to be in a deliverance ministry. Much prayer, no reward publicly, and mostly… it causes a bit if a disruption…. controversies, fear, more often people claim a Christian can't have demons… which I agree but possession is very different then oppression… is the person willing to give up some activities that might be an opening for demonic oppression…. yoga, meditation… there is so much I don't know as soon as I start thinking about it… well… Jesus gave his followers power to cast out demons, but there isn't much specifically, like how do you address an unclean spirit… does it always have a name, can you command in general all unclean spirits to come out… does the wording matter… "the demons said, Paul I know, Jesus I know, you I don't know" and made it 7 times worse… what are the circumstances for that…?? I was involved always as a back up…. I would pray and discern, but the people I worked with had been doing it successfully for decades. They were a married couple in their 70's… I was just in my thirties and when I left that church I never really got involved again. Except to pray over people but that is different then doing a deliverance.
Only one real one since then. A pastor, came back from Africa and went into a complete depression, couldn't work, could hardly speak… wonderful intelligent man, wrote books on education etc etc… he finally drank anti-freeze and took six bottles of pills. No one knows how he survived but he did and with no damage… absolutely a miracle. I was there for his deliverance, but I stayed back… he was delivered and is very normal now. I heard he is back pastoring.
Good night, Happy New Years, andrea

 

[Willie T]

Healing is one thing........ but, personally, if demon influence is suspected, I very seriously recommend that it be handled in a reasonably private setting. Sometimes it ain't pretty, and as stated earlier, it CAN take hours.

 

[talitha]

We're supposed to cast out demons - it's part of the Great Commission. How is the body of Christ going to learn about how to do it if it is always done behind closed doors?