What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[from scratch]

Of course! What difference would that make in this case?

I think you are just stalling for time. (pun intended)

A technical 72 hours.

No I don't engage in the stalling technic till I find an answer. If I don't know I say so or don't post.

 

[JohnRabbit]

I know for a fact and it is still observe to this day that: Friday is the preparation day. The bible said Jesus was Crucified laid in the tomb and that the next day was Sabbath. You have a problem with that, that is your business. I don't.

Elder 111, any day before a sabbath is a preparation day!

that goes for annual sabbaths also.

John 19:31(NKJV)
31Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

the scripture tells us that this particular sabbath was a high day sabbath, which means it was not the weekly sabbath.

read ex 12, where God institutes the day of passover and the feast of unleavened bread. so the preparation day before the feast of unleavened bread would be the passover.

notice that He instituted the passover and then the feast.

of the feast He said:

Exodus 12:16(NKJV)
16On the first day there shall be a holy convocation (sabbath), and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation (again, sabbath) for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat—that only may be prepared by you.

these sabbaths are "high days" - why?

Exodus 12:17(NKJV)
17So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance.

Exodus 13:9(NKJV)
9It shall be as a sign to you on your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that the Lord’S law may be in your mouth; for with a strong hand the Lord has brought you out of Egypt.

they understood that the "Hand" that led them from egypt came from upon high.

a high hand did this, hence, high day sabbath!

 

[JohnRabbit]

Yes sir! Those are days. 24 hours ending and starting as SUNSET.

But, Jesus did not say three days. Not stop and look at what he did say.

Three days and three nights. If he meant 24 hours he would have simply said three days. (you say tomayto and i say tomahto, i get it. don't work in this case though! )

Besides, your way of thinking totally screws up the death burial and resurrection account. Go for it if you want.

If that's what you want. Jesus warned not to change one dot or tittle. I have not. You have. Your choice. Face the atheist firing squad as a jerk who is confident as they shoot holes through your argument.

well, you keep listening to the jews and i'll keep listening to the Messiah!

 

[VictorC]

I do see the discussion technically off topic.

Jesus was buried before the which ever Sabbath one choses to say it was. There is no indication the ladies actions to buy and prepare were on a different day. At least I don't see it. Details give us all fits and make a difference.

The 14th of Nissan is always the same day of the month in the New Moon calendar.

The Bible gives us a dispassionate witness that doesn't have a vested interest in what we can see. Emotions are a human trait Scripture doesn't share in.

The New Moon calendar always starts on the Sabbath the 7th day of the week.

No. The weekly and New Moon cycles are independent, as are the annual that are dependent on the barley harvest. This is a distraction that isn't germane to the Gospel accounts that you're confronted with anyway.

 

[listed]

The Bible gives us a dispassionate witness that doesn't have a vested interest in what we can see. Emotions are a human trait Scripture doesn't share in.

No. The weekly and New Moon cycles are independent, as are the annual that are dependent on the barley harvest. This is a distraction that isn't germane to the Gospel accounts that you're confronted with anyway.

Do you have a source for the Jewish new moon calendar? I would like to see it.

 

[VictorC]

Do you have a source for the Jewish new moon calendar? I would like to see it.

It has been so long that I ventured on this topic that I assumed it was directly given in the Law - but that isn't the case. It became practice for the month to start with the new moon, and it appears that this came about by linguistic allusion from the Hebrew hodesh. The Karaite Corner website has a page where they explore this, and it might be of interest to you. If not, a casual search using 'Hebrew Biblical months' will provide enough hits to satiate your curiosity.

 

[GenemZ]

At what point did the New Covenant begin and the Old Covenant cease? Redemption is complete upon victory over death.

John 7:38-39

Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

​

They had no way to know the Old Covenant had just ended. HOW COULD THEY? There was no NT written until after Pentecost. The baptism of the Holy Spirit never happened until Pentecost. The Church age life could not begin until Jesus was ascended and glorified.

 

[GenemZ]

well, you keep listening to the jews and i'll keep listening to the Messiah!

Jesus was circumcised on his eighth day. He went to Hebrew school like all Jewish boys. He was also called "rabbi" by his followers. Jesus was a Jew. All the apostles were Jews! With the exception of Luke, all the writers of the Bible were Jews.

You want to look stupid? Even Gentile Bible scholars will agree with me.

If you want to understand many details in the Gospels its a must to study Jewish culture.

What do you think the Last Supper was? Do you know?

Silly Rabbit, tricks are for kids.

 

[GenemZ]

remember, God set the day not the jews!


Genesis 1:13(NKJV)
13So the evening and the morning were the third day.

Jesus obviously understood this!

I ask you? The way God laid it down, was written in what? The Law of Moses. A Jew.

The Law of Moses... the books God gave to the Jews.

Those Jews took God's Word and made it into their way of life. Wake up. You're looking really bad at this point.

And, why did you only quote Genesis 1:13 to make your point about 24 hour days? You are really revealing a lack on concentration. Look what you missed completely. It was right there in front of you.

Genesis 1:3


And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
​

Jesus specifically said that he would be three DAYS and three NIGHTS in the earth. He did not simply say, three DAYS as you make it to be. He was being specific.

God called the light“day,” and the darkness he called “night.”


​

Matthew 12:40

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so

the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

​

Jesus spoke specifically of days and nights. Meaning a time of light and a time of darkness... Not 24 hour days.

God called the light“day,” and the darkness he called “night.”​

Darkness = night.

Light = day. Its God's Word also!

 

[GenemZ]

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[JohnRabbit]

Jesus was circumcised on his eighth day. He went to Hebrew school like all Jewish boys. He was also called "rabbi" by his followers. Jesus was a Jew. All the apostles were Jews! With the exception of Luke, all the writers of the Bible were Jews.

You want to look stupid? Even Gentile Bible scholars will agree with me.

If you want to understand many details in the Gospels its a must to study Jewish culture.

What do you think the Last Supper was? Do you know? (does it matter? i'm stupid, remember?)

Silly Rabbit, tricks are for kids.

if insulting me gives you points, then you can rack up all you like, it's fine with me.



but just like all of your facts, you still get stuff wrong and count it as fact or at least spin it your way.

for instance, paul was not a jew, he was of the tribe of benjamin, so he was, in fact, a benjamite counted among the jews.

and moses wrote the first five books of the bible and he was not a jew, he was of the tribe of levi. so, moses was a levite! (see? even stupid people know facts you don't! )



thank you though for the lesson on Jesus being a jew, to what end i don't know.


nevertheless, our back and forth earlier speaks for itself.

you laid out your say and i countered with mine, they are what they are!



you clearly believe the jews over what Messiah said, you said so yourself!

 

[JohnRabbit]

I ask you?...

ask me what?

you want answers from a "stupid silly rabbit"?

 

[from scratch]

if insulting me gives you points, then you can rack up all you like, it's fine with me.



but just like all of your facts, you still get stuff wrong and count it as fact or at least spin it your way.

for instance, paul was not a jew, he was of the tribe of benjamin, so he was, in fact, a benjamite counted among the jews.

and moses wrote the first five books of the bible and he was not a jew, he was of the tribe of levi. so, moses was a levite! (see? even stupid people know facts you don't! )



thank you though for the lesson on Jesus being a jew, to what end i don't know.


nevertheless, our back and forth earlier speaks for itself.

you laid out your say and i countered with mine, they are what they are!



you clearly believe the jews over what Messiah said, you said so yourself!

So you want technical. Being I've been here awhile it seems you only want it when it favors you.

We speak of all Israelites these days collectively as Jews.

 

[JohnRabbit]

So you want technical. Being I've been here awhile it seems you only want it when it favors you.

We speak of all Israelites these days collectively as Jews.

i understand that, didn't you see my post? i said paul was a benjamite, counted among the jews.

i know from the split of the nation who went with judah and who went with the northern ten of israel.

i had to split hairs in this case, because this guy is trying to hammer me! (heck, i even threw in the moses bit)

 

[from scratch]

John 7:38-39

Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

​

They had no way to know the Old Covenant had just ended. HOW COULD THEY? There was no NT written until after Pentecost. The baptism of the Holy Spirit never happened until Pentecost. The Church age life could not begin until Jesus was ascended and glorified.

But my point is the risen Jesus does.

None of the New Testament was written till well after Pentecost.

 

[GenemZ]

if insulting me gives you points, then you can rack up all you like, it's fine with me.



but just like all of your facts, you still get stuff wrong and count it as fact or at least spin it your way.

for instance, paul was not a jew, he was of the tribe of benjamin, so he was, in fact, a benjamite counted among the jews.

and moses wrote the first five books of the bible and he was not a jew, he was of the tribe of levi. so, moses was a levite! (see? even stupid people know facts you don't! )



thank you though for the lesson on Jesus being a jew, to what end i don't know.


nevertheless, our back and forth earlier speaks for itself.

you laid out your say and i countered with mine, they are what they are!



you clearly believe the jews over what Messiah said, you said so yourself!

Rabbit... I used to stand up from my chair in synagogue and announce myself to the congregation as Y'dil ben Meyir. Then I would approach the reading of the Torah up front.

I have heard your line of reasoning before. You have taken the tribes and have made them into different races. All the Tribes are of one race. All are from the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. To any Jew alive today you would sound like Gentile who thinks he knows something when he knows nothing. The tribe of Judah were not the only Jews. Its like saying people from New Jersey are not Americans, but New Jersey-ites.

There was a double use for the word Jew. Tell your theory to a Jew, and he will run fast and far from Christ. Its a horrible witness, and you have been suckered into it. The last alleged Christian folks I heard that from turned out to be Jew haters. Its a bad place to be.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Rabbit... I used to stand up from my chair in synagogue and announce myself to the congregation as Y'dil ben Meyir. Then I would approach the reading of the Torah up front.

I have heard your line of reasoning before. You have taken the tribes and have made them into different races. All the Tribes are of one race. All are from the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. To any Jew alive today you would sound like Gentile who thinks he knows something when he knows nothing. The tribe of Judah were not the only Jews. Its like saying people from New Jersey are not Americans, but New Jersey-ites.

There was a double use for the word Jew. Tell your theory to a Jew, and he will run fast and far from Christ. Its a horrible witness, and you have been suckered into it. The last alleged Christian folks I heard that from turned out to be Jew haters. Its a bad place to be.

you get no argument from me, because what i stated are facts that can't be disputed!

for instance, you're going to tell me that paul was not born a benjamite?



it's neither here nor there, but you went there and i was just holding my own with facts.

bottom line is none of this has anything to do with our back and forth earlier.

that had to do with you believing the jews over the Christ, period!

 

[Elder 111]

So far in this issue I'm inclined to agree with you.

Thank you.

 

[Elder 111]

your counting of days would seem to throw out the 24 hour day!

first of all God's days, not "jewish" days, start at sunset and end at the next sunset - see gen 1. (i don't think there were any jews around when this was established)

so if Jesus was crucified on wednesday, He would have been buried between 3pm and sunset - review the biblical text.

in that case, we get:

in the tomb all night wednesday - one night

in the tomb all day thursday - one day

in the tomb all night thursday - two nights

in the tomb all day friday - two days

in the tomb all night friday - three nights

in the tomb saturday - three days

and the resurrection would have taken place sometime between 3pm and sunset that saturday - a sabbath resurrection!

that is what made three days and three nights as Messiah said, per matt 12:40!

A definite indication that the idea is flawed.

 

[JohnRabbit]

A definite indication that the idea is flawed.

don't hit and run, do elaborate!