California's gradeschool gender identity laws in effect

[Maren]

It's a shame that the liberal California legislature is more concerned with pandering to the mentally ill than they are with the privacy and safety of children from Kindergarten to grade 12.

As has been said before, failing this referendum try, this pathetic bit of law isn't enforceable because the California laws prosecuting indecent exposure hasn't been rescinded.
Offended students should call 9-11 and report indecent exposure each and every time a cross dressing trespasser enters into their private space. Bathroom, locker room, shower.

How pathetic! All a guy has to do is claim to feel like a female on the inside and he can violate girls space. It's a boys dream come true. No paperwork necessary, no psychiatrists note in his file, no doctors note. Just a boys claim!
And the staff of schools have to sign on in agreeing to use the pronouns the boys demand just in their claim that they're a girl on the inside!

What a world!
The California legislature should be ashamed. And those who approved this bill for passage voted out of office!
And Jerry? You're a coward man!

Students cannot just say they feel like the opposite sex and do it, there are steps they need to take. It is also worth noting that several school districts in California have already had these rules in place for over a decade, including the largest school district (LA United), with no incidents like those mentioned in this thread.

Last, it's sad you want to pass this off as "pandering to the mentally ill", when in fact there is fairly strong evidence that this is real, physical condition. There are studies that show that transsexuals do have brains that resemble those of the opposite gender, and that this is causing their condition. The reason I linked this study is that in not only confirms findings from previous studies, but also shows that the differences exist even before HRT therapy.

 

[Joykins]

Exactly how does a girl present herself as a boy in the locker room when she has to undress to put on a uniform?

Are you familiar with the concept of underwear? It's a kind of clothing you wear under your regular clothing. It can conceal all kinds of things. And you don't need to remove it to "dress out." It's certainly what I wore when I changed for gym in the neolithic era.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Are you familiar with the concept of underwear? It's a kind of clothing you wear under your regular clothing. It can conceal all kinds of things. And you don't need to remove it to "dress out." It's certainly what I wore when I changed for gym in the neolithic era.

One thinks you underestimate the state of undress in men's locker rooms.

 

[Joykins]

One thinks you underestimate the state of undress in men's locker rooms.

Um...Ok...but I still assume that one needn't take off any more clothing than strictly necessary even if other people do?

Because if my son has ever taken off his undies in the locker room, I'd be terribly surprised. And he gets 100% in gym and that HAS to be for dressing out because he doesn't do athletics except there.

 

[stamperben]

One thinks you underestimate the state of undress in men's locker rooms.

I think he's worried about man-boobs being mistaken for women-boobs, or viceversa. Or something.

 

[Joykins]

I think he's worried about man-boobs being mistaken for women-boobs, or viceversa. Or something.

there are several ways to resolve that problem, undershirt and a binding being merely the most simple, but someone young, thin, and/or taking hormones probably isn't going to have it to begin with.

Again, someone who knows they are transgender at this age and are seeking this sort of accommodation is probably going to do everything they can to make their body fit the sex that they are in their mind. This is not an unsolved problem --there are women who have successfully hidden their biological sex for YEARS in environments like the military, in the ages before hormone therapy.

 

[MachZer0]

Are you familiar with the concept of underwear? It's a kind of clothing you wear under your regular clothing. It can conceal all kinds of things. And you don't need to remove it to "dress out." It's certainly what I wore when I changed for gym in the neolithic era.

Last I checked, girls' underwear was distinctly different than boys' underwear

 

[MachZer0]

there are several ways to resolve that problem, undershirt and a binding being merely the most simple, but someone young, thin, and/or taking hormones probably isn't going to have it to begin with.

Again, someone who knows they are transgender at this age and are seeking this sort of accommodation is probably going to do everything they can to make their body fit the sex that they are in their mind. This is not an unsolved problem --there are women who have successfully hidden their biological sex for YEARS in environments like the military, in the ages before hormone therapy.

Are thse girls going to shower while wearing bindings?

 

[NightHawkeye]

This is not an unsolved problem --there are women who have successfully hidden their biological sex for YEARS in environments like the military, in the ages before hormone therapy.

Going back to ancient China, according to some accounts.
Mulan - i'll make a man out of you - YouTube

 

[Cute Tink]

Not many females who claim to have an inner man inside commit to the bottom surgery so as to pull off the full on appearance.

I don't think you have any idea of the expense and complication rate, coupled with the disappointment with the capabilities of medical science than trans men have to deal with on this surgery. There are reasons why trans men don't have bottom surgery in high percentages. Don't think that the reason they don't is because they don't want the "full on appearance".

That's all I'm going to say on that, because I don't think that you really care about the reasons they actually do have.

When the brain is deformed and that is argued as the proof of why that person suffers their condition, it is malpractice to cut up the body so that gender dysmorphic disorder caused by that cerebral deformity is now compounded through body deforming surgery.

Do your research. HRT and GCS are the two treatments that have shown positive results in alleviating dysphoria. Attempting to stick to psychiatric only treatment was not successful.

 

[Cute Tink]

And the aftermath that follows is something we'll not hear about because the press is too afraid to broadcast the truth of the fall out.

Yeah, because when the press caught wind of a faked story about harassment in the girls bathroom they didn't run with it. Several did and they all had to delete the story when it surfaced that the entire story was made up. The news will run the story because there is an audience for it.

 

[Joykins]

Last I checked, girls' underwear was distinctly different than boys' underwear

And...the appropriate underwear for either sex comes in both modest and tight forms...one can choose appropriately for the level of modesty (hiding) desired.

 

[Joykins]

Are thse girls going to shower while wearing bindings?

No one showers, don't be ridiculous.

ETA: the one time in my whole...life of taking gym in school, I have seen one girl shower once, fully clothed. Never anyone else, clothed or not. I expect this may be different for sports or swim teams, but that's a much more voluntary thing than taking gym.

 

[IanCG]

Because a few on the extreme fringes think everyone that disagrees with them is a deranged bigot, therefore their opinions don't count.

Sometimes people are deranged bigots though.

 

[Cute Tink]

No doubt because we're talking about minors in this school situation we'll not read about problems with this new Trans policy.

I'm sorry, but you will get stories if there are problems caused by trans kids. The fact that they are minors does not stop the story from coming out. Recent history shows this to be true.

 

[morningstar2651]

My friends on the left always tell me that my rights stop when they infringe upon others. Why should little children be forced to share bathrooms with each other.

Because the schools haven't implemented private restrooms - they have public restrooms with multiple toilets in case 2 or more students need to use the restroom at the same time.

 

[morningstar2651]

No, of course not. These boys are going to be full out naked in a shower!
While claiming they have a girl on the inside, the boy on the outside will be fully exposed.

Indecent exposure laws! Right on! Just as someone said, those are being violated by this new law. And the aftermath that follows is something we'll not hear about because the press is too afraid to broadcast the truth of the fall out.

Should lesbians be required to use the men's showers? Those girls will be fully exposed.

 

[Marius27]

He'd have fared far worse in the women's housing unit.

No actually a transgender housed in a male unit will likely be beaten, tortured, and killed.

 

[super animator]

Why couldn't we have unisex bathrooms to make kids with gender identity issues a bit easier?

 

[Maren]

Trans people are ill. Not many females who claim to have an inner man inside commit to the bottom surgery so as to pull off the full on appearance.
Then they demand to be addressed using male pronouns. They claim to make history being the first man to give birth, which is a lie.
They're not men! They're bull lesbians!

A six foot 8 inch football player can strap the grill of a Lamborghini to the front of his crotch and claim he's now a Lamborghini! That doesn't make him a Lamborghini ! That makes him a weirdo with a Lamborghini front bumper and grill strapped to his crotch!
But does this mean he has a right to a parking permit so he can sleep in a condo-garage?

One day our society is going to wake up and realize the medical malpractice that went on in cases of pandering to Transsexuals in this century. Rather than cutting them up to make them appear like what they claim they feel like. Rather than drugging them up so their body can deform to make that appearance through synthetic means, we'll treat them for the mental illness that they suffer.
They won't get special rights! They'll get direct medical and psychological treatment for their condition.

Someone who claims the Transsexual brain is formed differently than a healthy individual of either sex is simply reiterating the argument that Trans is a mental illness.
When the brain is deformed and that is argued as the proof of why that person suffers their condition, it is malpractice to cut up the body so that gender dysmorphic disorder caused by that cerebral deformity is now compounded through body deforming surgery.

Poor California!

Again, if you bothered to read the links, you would find that the brains of transsexuals are not deformed, they merely are normal brains but normal for the opposite gender.

Just to be clear, transsexuals that are not treated have an extremely high suicide rate, over 40%. By contrast, those who undergo our current treatment for male to female transsexuals have around an 82% success rate. And that success rate is higher than just about any success rate you can find for "mental health issues" (since you so desperately want to claim this is a mental health issue).

But since you know better, how would you treat these people? Please realize that mental health professionals looked for decades at non-surgical treatments; yet those treatments merely caused depression, anxiety, and often led to suicide. The same type of things have happened with those who have sought "religious treatments", getting counseling from Christian clergy or therapists.

Seriously, if you have a better treatment, there are a lot of medical professionals and transgendered individuals that would love to hear about it.

Unfortunately, you are instead probably like most who claim that the current cure is "wrong" but haven't studied it at all.