Deliverance Ministry

[talitha]

I am coming to believe that demonic influence, oppression, possession - whatever you want to call it - is more pervasive than we tend to think. For a long time I have wanted to know more about deliverance, to learn how to minister in that way, but many times, when there is a need for that, it happens behind closed doors. Even if a person manifests in a worship service, he or she is quickly whisked away, and those in the know go along to do what needs to be done. Even when I took a ministry training class under the apostle of my church, I didn't learn much at all about deliverance. But in a facebook chat with an online friend in Ghana she quickly identified the type of spirit behind something that has been messing with me for several years. I am beginning to think that we have turned a blind eye to these things for so long in Western Christianity (even in Spirit-filled churches) that we think they don't exist - which gives them all kinds of leeway to mess with us.

Any thoughts on this?

Does anyone know of some deliverance ministries with real knowledge and spiritual authority and a history of success in dealing with these things? When I look up topics in this area, I almost always end up with resources from Africa. I'm glad they have resources there, but how about in the West?

blessings
tal

 

[Tigger45]

Sorry I don't have any good resources but I do believe that there is demonic activity.

The problem I see is that there are two extreme camps. One camp turns a blind eye to anything demonic to the determent of the lives that are effected by them and then there is the other camp that attributes too much to demonic influences negating personal responsibility.

It would be great to find a well balanced reputable source to pull from.

 

[Ajax 777]

Your suspicions actually fall short of how bad the problem is, talitha.

 

[TasManOfGod]

This group is highly recommended. Win Worley (now gone to be with the Lord) has blessed thousands around the world but the ministry carries on http://hbcdelivers.org/.

 

[talitha]

Ajax - I'm not sure.. I suspect that even most charismatics (I say "even" because these are the people who should know about such things!) are just guessing. Can you elaborate?

Thanks TasMan, checking it out now. (btw, I was blessed to hear Winkie Pratney speak some years ago... one of the delights of my experience )

 

[Willie T]

I'm Vineyard, so what can I say? We usually don't even see deliverance as anything but just a continuing part of normal healing.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

This very thing is something I feel and have felt drawn too specifically. It seems the sign of the Kingdom is driving out demons and every believer should feel confident in their place to do so. Most though, in fact a VAST majority, probably will never even bat an eye at casting out demons because they are either to lazy to do so, or they are too scared, or they are not confident in Who they reside in as believers. I may not agree with a lot of what Derek Prince says (though I used too) but this one thing is what I love about his ministry, his focus on driving out demons.

 

[talitha]

Wow, TasMan - what a wealth of info there - one thing I noticed quickly:

I am convinced more and more of the impossibility of the deliverance war being won by “closet” sessions and private appointments. In the New Testament, demons were cast out on the streets and in the meetings of the believers with no attempt to hide or conceal what was going on. There is nothing indicating that the events were private affairs. Deliverance from evil spirits is not a limited or restricted field.

More and more it becomes apparent that the only way the war is to be won is to arouse the whole body of Christ to march against the enemy camped within the walls of the city. In order for workers to be raised up and trained, they must witness the manifestations of the demons being cornered and learn about the enemy.

True that!

 

[Ajax 777]

I'll also remind you that we do not have Biblical accounts of absurdly overdressed clergymen dancing around for hours waging some kind of battle of wills with the evil spirits and chanting "The power of Christ compels you!! The power of Christ compels you!!" as an example of deliverance. They simply commanded the unclean spirits to come out, and they went out (except in the few cases where they did not, but there was no prolonged drama following.)

Talitha, if I talk about my experience with you, I will do it in PM, but not here.

 

[Willie T]

Talitha, just wait until you begin to learn about what is becoming known as "The Second Reformation".

This is, basically, putting the church back into the hands of the membership.

 

[Willie T]

I'll also remind you that we do not have Biblical accounts of absurdly overdressed clergymen dancing around for hours waging some kind of battle of wills with the evil spirits and chanting "The power of Christ compels you!! The power of Christ compels you!!" as an example of deliverance. They simply commanded the unclean spirits to come out, and they went out (except in the few cases where they did not, but there was no prolonged drama following.)

Talitha, if I talk about my experience with you, I will do it in PM, but not here.

Man, you sure you ain't Vineyard?

 

[talitha]

Willie? Wasn't the Second Reformation about 200 years ago?

 

[talitha]

okay, Ajax... wait up, my PM box is 99% full.... gotta take out some trash....

 

[Willie T]

Willie? Wasn't the Second Reformation about 200 years ago?

That's good. No, I'm talking about the one that hasn't even happened yet... though it's beginning to.

If it interests you, you'll manage to locate what I'm talking about.

 

[Ajax 777]

Man, you sure you ain't Vineyard?

For a time, I was Calvary Chapel.

 

[whatfor]

Listen to Me Satan_Carlos Annacondia

 

[whatfor]

Ellel Ministries International | healing and deliverance, Christian counselling

 

[whatfor]

I am coming to believe that demonic influence, oppression, possession - whatever you want to call it - is more pervasive than we tend to think. For a long time I have wanted to know more about deliverance, to learn how to minister in that way, but many times, when there is a need for that, it happens behind closed doors. Even if a person manifests in a worship service, he or she is quickly whisked away, and those in the know go along to do what needs to be done. Even when I took a ministry training class under the apostle of my church, I didn't learn much at all about deliverance. But in a facebook chat with an online friend in Ghana she quickly identified the type of spirit behind something that has been messing with me for several years. I am beginning to think that we have turned a blind eye to these things for so long in Western Christianity (even in Spirit-filled churches) that we think they don't exist - which gives them all kinds of leeway to mess with us.

Any thoughts on this?

Does anyone know of some deliverance ministries with real knowledge and spiritual authority and a history of success in dealing with these things? When I look up topics in this area, I almost always end up with resources from Africa. I'm glad they have resources there, but how about in the West?

blessings
tal

This is something I feel led to as well

 

[tturt]

We need to be aware of being offended, forgiving when we should, etc. but then there are times when deliverance is needed.

I had read sometime ago about things that we don't take care of with Yahweh shows up when we minister. Moses' anger problem is an example.

One main thing is teaching how to maintain the deliverance afterwards because "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first." Luke 11

 

[Tenebrae]

I think the shows put on by people like Bob Larson are stupid, showy, painful and unnecessarily dramatic and often run the risk of traumatizing the person even further.

If God is who He says he is, surely a spirit filled believer should be able to say to a demon in a person "in the name of Christ, the one who defeated you, be gone"

Also, what is it with christians who cant be real, and have to project this outwards appearance of being so with it. I recall when I was a practicing pagan, encountering this christian supposedly very anointed in deliverance. They were like 'the demons in you should be afraid of the spirit of God within me"

I'm like "Well, I'm not" and walked away.

I think part of the problem with some christians in deliverance and healing ministries. They get so caught up in projecting a coping flourishing persona, they simply miss walking out in faith with God, and rather than a powerful Christian walking in Gods will, it reminds me of the sons of Scheva who wanted the power, but didnt understand the nature of it.