Bush Neocons Urged Netanyahu to Use U.S. Forces to Remove Saddam, 5 Years Before 9/11

[ManFromUncle]

Sorry. When people start with the 9/11 gibberish I'm out of here. Try your theories with the Keebler elves; first hollow tree on your left.

Guess you dion't bother to read posts before commenting, very classy. Because that's what this is about.. The Keebler elves are the ones who think buildings blow themselves apart as a result of kerosene fires. That's all jet fuel is.

Oh yes and then there's the building that fell flat in 10 seconds and wasn't even hit by a plane - Building 7. Oopsie.

Jet fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2,000 Architects and Engineers Call Official 9/11 Story Impossible, Documentary
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[HonestTruth]

If anything, this just validates the Bush administration in that they knew even 5 years before 9/11 that Iraq was a threat to our national security but Billy Clinton was just preoccupied with "other things" to notice or care. The real question is did Iraq have something to do with 9/11?

The Republican dominated 9/11 Commission settled that issue by determining that there was no connection. Contrary to propaganda from the far right, Saddam viewed al-Qaeda as his enemies since his Baathist regime opposed Orthodoxy.

 

[HonestTruth]

Oh yes and then there's the building that fell flat in 10 seconds and wasn't even hit by a plane - Building 7. Oopsie.

I worked at the WTC for many years and Tower 7 was nowhere near Towers 1 & 2. For it to fall without being grazed is a historical wonder that none of the skeptics have ever answered.

 

[Dale]

This is true, although Harvard Prof. Stephen Walt caught an earful when he published The Israel Lobby. Suddenly a tweedy soft-spoken professor type is being attacked as an anti-semite, for whispering a word against Israel. Want to see something funny watch these Don't Attack Iran anti-war protesters disrupt an AIPAC meeting then get attacked themselves. Then the AIPACers break out in the Israeli national anthem.

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The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt: 9780374531508: Amazon.com: Books

If Israel has so much power in Washington, why haven't they been able to free Jonathan Pollard? It's very much an issue in Israel but they haven't been able to do it.


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[HonestTruth]

There is some current news that John Kerry is considering exchanging traitor Pollard for other prisoners held in Israeli prisons. Not likely to happen, though, as Pollard is regarded as a modern day Benedict Arnold.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

If Israel has so much power in Washington, why haven't they been able to free Jonathan Pollard? It's very much an issue in Israel but they haven't been able to do it.

Actually, that is a pretty fair question. Why has the US government, which usually does whatever Israel wants it to, insist on keeping Pollard in prison. Jonathan Pollard is very much any exception to the rule, the only real exception that I can think of.

The answer is because the US intelligence community is unanimously and adamantly opposed to Pollard's release, knowing full well the damage he did to US security. They are also concerned that granting Pollard parole would be seen as a green light for Israel to steal US military secrets in the future. Even though the Israeli lobby is better organized than any political force seeking a more balanced Middle Eastern foreign policy, on this matter, US intelligence have organized themselves better than Israel's supporters. I should hope so. I would be sad indeed if Israeli intelligence held more power than US intelligence in their own country.

So thankfully, Pollard's continued incarceration is testimony that Washington remains at least one critical step short of an Israeli puppet government.

 

[MrLuther]

Oh great...just what we need...another conspiracy nutjob...

 

[HonestTruth]

Oh great...just what we need...another conspiracy nutjob...

You mean like the right wing Duck Dynasty patriarch who openly endorsed cradle robbing pedophilia?


Duck Dynasty Star's Advice: Marry 15-Year-Old Girls - YouTube



^ BIG conspiracy guy and beloved by the delusional right wing.

 

[ManFromUncle]

Oh great...just what we need...another conspiracy nutjob...

Naw ruthless men of power never conspired to rob entire classes of people and send their sons off to war, the world is good and the government is here to make your life nice and protect you. The Tooth Fairy arrives at midnight.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

"One plans to get married, to have children, to pursue a particular career, to promote a particular business transaction, to run for office, or to adopt a certain policy toward the Third World, and each and every one of these courses of action, in so far as it is undertaken in concert with other participants and in so far as the participants do not disclose their plans before it is convenient to do so, constitutes a conspiracy. The collaboration involved in them and the degree of secrecy that attends them are not different in kind from those involved in planning a revolution, an assassination, or a long-term subterfuge by which a close and cryptic oligarchy takes over the government of a republic. Not only do politicians, bankers, priests, Freemasons, Jews, and intelligence agencies conspire, so does everyone else. The main difference between the undisclosed plots and plans of the principals of the most popular and perennial conspiracy theories and those of everyone else is that nobody much cares about Aunt Gertrude's conspiracy with her bridge club to arrange the marriage of her nephew or Mr. Podsnip's conspiracy with his business partners to build more parking lots. But whether we are engaged in designing One World Government or new drapes for the upstairs guest room, all of us are neck-deep in conspiracies of one kind or another most of the time."

-Sam Francis

 

[MrLuther]

You mean like the right wing Duck Dynasty patriarch who openly endorsed cradle robbing pedophilia?

Nice attempt at derailing...not gonna work. Go troll somewhere else

Naw ruthless men of power never conspired to rob entire classes of people and send their sons off to war, the world is good and the government is here to make your life nice and protect you. The Tooth Fairy arrives at midnight.

Lies! You just want to cover up the alien conspiracy to kidnap every one of us and display us in their alien zoos all over the universe in different galaxies! The CIA and Mossad are in on it too, in exchange for free season tickets to the zoos for life! It's true, because someone on the Internet said it!

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[Trogdor the Burninator]

Oh great, 2014s first 9/11 conspiracy thread.

Will we have the usual garbage about planted explosives, disappearing airliners and Israeli agents? Will a truther be able to tell us where the planes went, or what hit the Pentagon?
Will we have the usual walls of copy pasted text and YouTube videos?

Welcome to another year of CF

 

[ManFromUncle]

Oh great, 2014s first 9/11 conspiracy thread.

Will we have the usual garbage about planted explosives, disappearing airliners and Israeli agents? Will a truther be able to tell us where the planes went, or what hit the Pentagon?
Will we have the usual walls of copy pasted text and YouTube videos?

Welcome to another year of CF

yea those conspiracies like the government is plotting to be able to "disappear" us in the middle of the night, no charges no trial, all in the name of "national security" after 9/11...oh wait, NDAA.

Naw not the usual stuff, that debate has been settled and you're on the losing side. No one believes the official story anymore. Now it's the "who and why." Care to discuss? Are you part of the cover-up? You seem to take an extraordinary interest in these threads. Do you know helping cover up a crime is "accomplice?"

Full documentary at PBS, 2000 Engineers Speak Out About 9/11 False Flag Attack
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[Btodd]

Naw not the usual stuff, that debate has been settled and you're on the losing side. No one believes the official story anymore.

If the debate had been settled, you would have your 'new investigation', instead of a sham list of architects and engineers, most of whom have nothing to do with the subject matter at hand.

And where did you get your statistics for a claim like, 'no one believes the official story any more'?

I suspect that was another hyperbolic, non-factual claim made by an avid 9/11 Truther, so I will not pretend to be shocked.


Btodd

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Full documentary at PBS, 2000 Engineers Speak Out About 9/11 False Flag Attack

Which really means - 2000 people, a few of whom are qualified structural engineers but most of whom are not, joined an online group of truthers who produce youtube videos.

Good old Landscape Architects and Sales Engineers for 9/11 Truth. What a joke.

 

[ManFromUncle]

Which really means - 2000 people, a few of whom are qualified structural engineers but most of whom are not, joined an online group of truthers who produce youtube videos.

Good old Landscape Architects and Sales Engineers for 9/11 Truth. What a joke.

The following is but a miniscule portion of the licensed architects and structural engineers of 2,000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Obviously it is more than a few. Not only these but physicists, metallurgists, chemists, demolition experts.

What do you hope to gain by making these blatantly false statements? Don't you think people can click a link and read?No one should make up their mind about 9/11 without watching this 90 minute documentary first. Then you can at least say you had an open mind.

These professionals have risked everything and gained nothing by not compromising their integrity and telling the truth. Americans have all the warning in the world as to what has happened to their country, and we are lucky to have these courageous souls. And we still sit on our rears and watch Duck Dynasty.

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Small selection of 2000 Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

AE911Truth Petition Signers
Richard Gage

AIA, Architect
B Arch
Lafayette, CA


Daniel Barnum

FAIA
BArch, Rice University
Houston, TX


David Helpern

FAIA
NY, NY



Kevin Kelly

FAIA
Austin, TX


Paul Oles

FAIA
M Architecture Yale
Santa Fe, NM


Eason Cross

FAIA
BA Harvard MArch HGSD
Alexandria, VA



Harry Robinson III

FAIA
B Arch and MCP Harvard, MCPUD Harvard
Washington, DC


Alice Dodson

AIA
Asheville, NC


Andrew Wolff

Architect, AIA, LEED
M Arch, Yale University
Los Angeles, CA



Anne Lee

AIA
M.Arch
Boston, MA


Bertie Bonner

AIA
M. Arch
Media, PA


Brad Will

AIA, LEED AP
B. Arch.
Woodstock, NY



Brian Hromadka

AIA
M. Architecture, Boston Architectural Co
Newburyport, MA


Cary Spiegel

AIA
B. Arch, City College, NY
Plainfield, NJ


Christian Mungenast

AIA, Architect
Arlington, MA



Christopher Allen

AIA
Ann Arbor, MI


Crystal Nanney

AIA
B. Arch, University of Detroit Mercy
Savannah, GA


Cynthia Howard

AIA
Biddeford Pool, ME



Damon Smith

AIA
B.A, Carnegie Mellon University
Orlando, FL


Dan Bartlett

AIA
B. Arch
Keene, NH


Daniel Brogan

AIA
BS Fire ProtectionEngineering, MBA
San Diego, CA



Daniel Roach

B.Arch, AIA
B.Arch Drury University
Salem, OR


Dante Amato

AIA+NCARB+LEED AP - Architect
BA Environmental Des./Arch. UC Berkeley
Las Vegas, NV


David Joiner

AIA
Bachelor of architecture
Shawnee Mission, KS



David Techau

AIA
BArch-Az. State, MSc, Cornell
Kula, HI


Deane Rykerson

AIA NCARB LEED AP
BArch Boston AC MDes Harvard
Cambridge, MA


Douglas Snider

AIA
B.Arch, University of Notre Dame
Medford, OR



Elaine Dabrowski

AIA
B. Arch.
Portland, OR


George Clower

AIA, Architect
BA & BS in Architecture
Corpus Christi, TX


George Owen

AIA
B.Architecture, MIT
WALLINGFORD, PA

...FULL LIST:
AE911Truth Petition Signers

 

[Btodd]

I'm just gonna put this here:

http://www.discovery.org/articleFiles/PDFs/100ScientistsAd.pdf


Wow! Hundreds of scientists, including a majority (on the list) that have nothing to do with the subject matter...doubt Evolution! I guess that's supposed to be a scientific argument or something. All you have to do is label someone a 'scientist', in ANY discipline, and that means they're correct about any conclusion they draw in regard to any branch of science.

AE911Truth is doing the same thing...padding the numbers of a petition that doesn't mean anything. If they want to convince architects and structural engineers, or demolitions experts that the collapses were controlled demolitions, there's a process for that. It's called the scientific method.

It involves forming a hypothesis, developing tests that can potentially falsify that hypothesis, performing a multitude of them, and if they are repeatedly affirmed...writing a scientific paper on the subject and putting it up for peer review in a serious, respected scientific journal, so others can see their methodology, try to repeat the tests if the methodology is sound, and that process goes on until the hypothesis is verified so many times that it convinces the scientific community.

It does not involve petitions padded with people who have no expertise in the subject matter, nor does it involve YouTube videos. It does not involve creating your own journal, inviting Kevin Ryan on as an expert on physics, and calling your paper 'peer-reviewed'. It does not involve theologians, either.

This is an ideology; it has nothing to do with science.


Btodd

 

[Paul01]

Infograpic: The Difference Between Architects and Engineers | NSAD

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Infograpic: The Difference Between Architects and Engineers | NSAD

That's a pretty good link.

If Man from Uncle or anyone else wants to see how much structural engineering cred an architect like Richard Gage has - they should build a garage or a shed or an extension to their house, then ask him to come over and certify it as structurally sound.

Which he wont' do. Because he's an architect.

Having architects talk about the WTC structure and how it couldn't fail the way it did is like having the guy that styled the Audi R8 certify that it's safe in a crash.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

...FULL LIST:
AE911Truth Petition Signers

I actually encourage people to read the list - to recognise it for the gigantic appeal to authority that it is.

Then actually look at some of the people who signed

Like the guys from IT....

Eric A. Klein, M.S. Computer Engr., Santa Clara Univ.,
San Francisco CA, USA

Martein Bakker, Ir.,Information Technology,TU Eindhoven,
Eindhoven NB, The Netherlands


Or the Marine Engineers.....

Erik M. Soderlund, BS Marine Engineering, Lic: 514165
Hang Dong Chiang Mai, Thailand


Or the people with a bachelor of science....

Dave Thomson, B.Sc. (hons),
Fremont CA, USA


Or the engineering disciplines completly unrelated to structures...

Matthew S. Roberts, B.S. Environmental Engineering, Lic: 10985
Flagstaff AZ, USA

Ahmad Solomon, B.Sc. Petroleum Engineering, TU, Lic: Texas 78532


Or, because I know you wanted it - the Landscape Architects...

Frederick Jon Wepfer, environmental design, Lic: Registered Landscape Architect Lacey WA, USA

John Robert Russell, Grad. Dipl. Urban & Reg. Plng. AA London, Lic: Indiana Landscape Architect's License LA80050004


And all put together by a guy who is not qualified to certify structures, because he's an architect.