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Bush Neocons Urged Netanyahu to Use U.S. Forces to Remove Saddam, 5 Years Before 9/11

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First there is the question of what they were doing working for a foreign government in the first place, after they had positions in government which presumably required security clearances. Douglas Feith first served in Reagan's National Security Council, as part of "Team B" which specialized in exaggerating the Soviet threat. He then joined a law firm which lobbied for the Turkish, Israeli and Bosnian governments.

Richard Perle was a staffer for the late Senator "Scoop" Jackson, then Assistant Secretary of Defense under Reagan.

In 1996, they published a high level policy paper for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, during his first tenure, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm." The "realm" referred, perhaps suggesting their personal loyalties, not to the United States, but to Israel. Feith and Perle wrote as members of the Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000, which was a part of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (ASPS,) an Israeli think tank.

A central recommendation of the paper was the removal of Saddam, whom Feith, Perle, and the neoconservative ASPS considered a mortal threat to Israel. "A Clean Break" stated:
"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right..."
The title "A Clean Break" referred to making a clean break with the Oslo Accords and the Middle East peace process in general, in favor of, as Nation writer Jason Vest put it, "hegemony achieved with the traditional cold war recipe of feints, force, clientism and covert action."

Feith, Perle et al wrote:
"While there are those who will counsel continuity, Israel has the opportunity to make a clean break; it can forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism..."
It was thoroughly driven home by George W. Bush, in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, that there was no hope of "regime change" in Iraq other than by external force. Saddam simply had too strong an iron grip on Iraqi society, and dissenters and coup plotters were found out and nipped in the bud. A tiny country of 6 million, Israel had nowhere near the land army required to drive out Saddam by force. In fact only one country in the world did: the United States. Feith and Perle were telling Netanyahu that it was the United States Armed Forces which should occupy Iraq, and rid Israel of its nemesis.

The Nation's Vest writes:
"For this crew, "regime change" by any means necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority is an urgent imperative. Anyone who dissents--be it Colin Powell's State Department, the CIA or career military officers--is committing heresy against articles of faith that effectively hold there is no difference between US and Israeli national security interests, and that the only way to assure continued safety and prosperity for both countries is through hegemony in the Middle East..."
Four years after they published "A Clean Break," Feith and Perle were in positions of power in the Bush administration's foreign policy team, Feith as Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and Perle as Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee. Both were members of Project for a New American Century, along with Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Scooter Libby, Robert Zoellick, Paul Wolfowitz, Josh Bolton, Richard Armitage, Dov Zakheim, Elliot Abrams, and other high-ranking members of the administration. Project for a New American Century was the neoconservative think tank which had long advocated the overthrow of Saddam,and once wrote in a paper that the process of achieving its goals was:
"likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor."
A year later, the New Pearl Harbor came, surpassing the horror of the old Pearl Harbor.
Ian Buruma wrote in August 2003 in the New York Times that:
"Douglas Feith and Richard Perle advised Netanyahu, who was prime minister in 1996, to make 'a clean break' from the Oslo accords with the Palestinians. They also argued that Israeli security would be served best by regime change in surrounding countries. Despite the current mess in Iraq, this is still a commonplace in Washington. In Paul Wolfowitz's words, 'The road to peace in the Middle East goes through Baghdad.'"
George Packer, in his 2005 "The Assassins’ Gate," wrote that "America’s taking out Saddam would solve Israel’s strategic problems and leave the Palestinians essentially helpless."

Right-wing forces in Israel had already proven themselves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, capable of attacking its ally America in false flag operations in order to draw it into Middle East wars. Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer concluded, after his investigation of the USS Liberty incident, that:
"Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States."
At the time, Israel was engaged in the 1967 war against Egypt. The BBC documentary Dead in the Water asserts, in its official press release, that the attack was:
"a daring ploy by Israel to fake an Egyptian attack on the American spy ship, and thereby provide America with a reason to officially enter the war against Egypt."
USS Liberty survivors have consistently maintained that the attack was deliberate, and have continued calling for a new investigation after key documents were declassified by the government in 2007. The Chicago Tribune in a special report in 2007 wrote that:
"Four decades later, many of the more than two dozen Liberty survivors located and interviewed by the Tribune cannot talk about the attack without shouting or weeping."
Nor was the Israeli right-wing's desire to remake the map of the Middle East a new one. In 1982, the influential Israeli intellectual Oded Yinon outlined the strategy which was precursor to the "Clean Break" paper, in “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties.” The paper declared:
"In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north."
The paper eerily presaged the current state of Iraq, a weak collection of squabbling mini-states reflecting a "divide and conquer" strategy."


Many members of Project for a New American Century within the Bush administration, strangely, happened to be in key positions as the events of 9/11 unfolded: Cheney as de facto director of the air defenses as Flt. 77 was seen on radar coming at the Pentagon, Dov Zakheim as Pentagon Comptroller at the time $2.3 trillion was announced missing, as well as the inventor of "anti-hijack" technology which allowed a hijacked airliner's controls to be seized from the ground, Donald Rumsfeld as the Secretary of Defense who could not be found at critical moments, allowing Cheney to step in as acting commander-in-chief as Bush circled the sky.

In Feith and Perle there was an unusual open exhibit of divided loyalties, as they advised Netanyahu to use what one can only conclude is the American Army, in order to fulfill longstanding Israeli foreign policy goals. One cannot but be struck by the fact that they had climbed to positions of power within the defense establishment, when the "New Pearl Harbor" struck.

As it is now clear that the official story of the towers' destruction is impossible according to the laws of physics, and the search turns to the real perpetrators, the elements of motive, means, and opportunity are fully satisfied only by the same players involved in the attack the USS Liberty, and the cover-up. Former German defense minister Andreas Von Bulow told Tagesspiegel in January of 2002:
"Planning the attacks was a master deed, in technical and organizational terms. To hijack four big airliners within a few minutes and fly them into targets within a single hour and doing so on complicated flight routes! That is unthinkable, without backing from the secret apparatuses of state and industry."
Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at US Army War College, maintains that, although many benefited from the wars started by 9/11, only two intelligence apparatuses in the world had the technological expertise, high-level access, organization, and resources to pull off an enormously sophisticated operation which required a stand-down of the US air defenses, 24/7 access to the WTC complex, and elaborate media cover-up which continues to this day. Dr. Sabrosky points to disloyal factions within the CIA, the Pentagon, and Israeli Mossad.


Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at US Army War College,
General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research. Concludes
that a combination of treasonous elements in the US government and
Israeli MOSSAD orchestrated 9/11, in order to enable invasion of Iraq.

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ManFromUncle:
<< Saddam simply had too strong an iron grip on Iraqi society, and dissenters and coup plotters were found out and nipped in the bud. A tiny country of 6 million, Israel had nowhere near the land army required to drive out Saddam by force. In fact only one country in the world did: the United States. >>

Hello, ManFromUncle.

Actually, Iraq was very weak at the time of the 2003 invasion. Iraq had been weakened by years of sanctions. Israel didn't have a policy of removing all the dictators on its borders, and does not today.


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<< At the time, Israel was engaged in the 1967 war against Egypt. The BBC documentary Dead in the Water asserts, in its official press release, that the attack was:
"a daring ploy by Israel to fake an Egyptian attack on the American spy ship, and thereby provide America with a reason to officially enter the war against Egypt." >>​
The BBC has long been known for its irrational hostility toward Israel. It is not a good source on this subject. By dragging the Liberty incident into the OP, you are throwing many complex issues into one post. Israel apologized for the attack on the Liberty immediately afterward and did pay compensation to the families and later to the US government. By uncritically quoting an off-the-wall BBC documentary, you not only suppose that the attack was deliberate, but jump to one of the most unlikely theories as to its purpose.​
In the context of the time, it would be far more likely for the US to assume that the Soviet Union had attacked the ship. Wikipedia, under USS Liberty Incident:​
&#8220;In Washington, President Lyndon B. Johnson had received word from the Joint Chiefs of Staff that the Liberty had been torpedoed by an unknown vessel at 9:50 am eastern time. Johnson assumed that the Soviets were involved, and hotlined Moscow with news of the attack and the dispatch of jets from the Saratoga.&#8221;​
If the attack on the USS Liberty had been deliberate, increased tension (or war?) between the US and the USSR would be the most likely result.​
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Perle, Feith and Rumsfeld exploited the horrific events on 9/11 to achieve their long standing goal of regime change in Iraq - of that I am absolutely certain.

...I don't believe for a second the Neo-Conservatives carried out 9/11.
 
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<< At the time, Israel was engaged in the 1967 war against Egypt. The BBC documentary Dead in the Water asserts, in its official press release, that the attack was:
"a daring ploy by Israel to fake an Egyptian attack on the American spy ship, and thereby provide America with a reason to officially enter the war against Egypt." >>​
The BBC has long been known for its irrational hostility toward Israel. It is not a good source on this subject. By dragging the Liberty incident into the OP, you are throwing many complex issues into one post. Israel apologized for the attack on the Liberty immediately afterward and did pay compensation to the families and later to the US government. By uncritically quoting an off-the-wall BBC documentary, you not only suppose that the attack was deliberate, but jump to one of the most unlikely theories as to its purpose.​
In the context of the time, it would be far more likely for the US to assume that the Soviet Union had attacked the ship. Wikipedia, under USS Liberty Incident:​
&#8220;In Washington, President Lyndon B. Johnson had received word from the Joint Chiefs of Staff that the Liberty had been torpedoed by an unknown vessel at 9:50 am eastern time. Johnson assumed that the Soviets were involved, and hotlined Moscow with news of the attack and the dispatch of jets from the Saratoga.&#8221;​
If the attack on the USS Liberty had been deliberate, increased tension (or war?) between the US and the USSR would be the most likely result.​
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Your post begins with an ad hominem attack on the sayer, BBC, citing its "irrational" hatred of Israel without naming a source. Well maybe if someone bombed your King David Hotel, like Israeli Irgun did to the British in 1947, you would feel less than friendly too the perpetrators too.

But the BBC documentary "Dead in the Water" was in fact nominated for Best Documentary at the 2002 Vancouver International Film Festival. Does that mean now the Vancouver Festival and the BBC are all driven by "irrational hatred" of Israel? Why is everyone who criticizes Israel driven by irrational hatred?

But your real error is citing Wikipeadia as a source, which pretty much just reflects the official cover up. A better source is the survivors themselves, or Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Admiral Thomas Moorer, who called it "an act of war against the United States" after his own investigation.

The Liberty was attacked for 3 hours after a full morning of Israeli recon planes buzzing over, and sometimes the pilots even waved.

After the air attack they attacked by torpedo boats, and machine-gunned lifeboats at close range. Admiral Moorer told Stars and Stripes in 2004:

"Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most-seriously wounded."
It is really no longer in dispute that the attack was deliberate, and that the government continues to cover it up. Declassified documents and photos show this beyond the shadow of a doubt.

The Liberty was flying three flags, was twice the size of the Egyptian ship that the Israelis say the mistook it for, and Israeli recon pilots already confirmed it was an American ship. One Israeli pilot who refused his orders to attack the American ship was arrested when he landed, and at one point he contacted a US congressman with his story.

Lt. Commander James Ennes, a Liberty survivor and the bridge officer on the deck that day, writes:

Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.
Ennes is author of The Assault on the Liberty.

Here is a photo of an Israeli recon plane posted at the official survivors site, note the perfect visibility of a clear morning.

USS Liberty survivors website: www.GTR5.com.

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Israeli helicopters were also in the region:

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Crew member Larry Weaver said of an Israeli recon plane at 1030 hours:

&#8220;I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot, a fellow on the right-hand side of the plane. He waved back, and actually smiled at me.&#8221;
Weaver said:
"There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag. They could damn near see my rank."
This is reported in the UK Guardian. So does the Guardian have an irrational hatred of Israel too? Because the Guardian writes:

"at the height of the six-day war in 1967, Israel attacked a US spy ship, killing 34 men and injuring many more. The Israelis claimed it was an accident, the Americans backed them up...both governments concealed the horrific truth."
The sailors were all blond haired, blue eyed boys from Nebraska and such places, not dark Egyptians with completely different uniforms.

But your most grievous error is repeating the cover-up line that Lyndon Johnson thought it was he Russians. The Guardian reports:

"Without warning, the Israeli jets - swept-wing Dassault Mirage IIICs - struck. On board Liberty, Lieutenant Painter observed that the aircraft had "absolutely no markings", their identity unclear. He then attempted to reach the men manning the gun mounts, but it was too late. "I was trying to contact these two kids," he recalled, "and I saw them both; well, I didn't exactly see them as such. They were blown apart, but I saw the whole area go up in smoke and scattered metal. At about the same time, the aircraft strafed the bridge area. The quarter-master, Petty Officer Third Class Pollard, was standing right next to me, and he was hit."

The Mirages raked the ship from bow to stern with armour-piercing lead. A bomb exploded near the whaleboat aft of the bridge, and those in the pilothouse and the bridge were thrown from their feet. Commander William L McGonagle grabbed for the engine order annunciator and rang up all ahead flank.



In the communications spaces, radiomen James Halman and Joseph Ward had patched together enough equipment and broken antennae to get a distress call off to the Sixth Fleet, despite intense jamming by the Israelis. "Any station, this is Rockstar," Halman shouted, using the Liberty's voice call sign. "We are under attack by unidentified jet aircraft and require immediate assistance."



"Great, wonderful, she's burning, she's burning," said an Israeli pilot.



At 2.09pm, the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, operating near Crete, acknowledged Liberty's cry for help. "I am standing by for further traffic," it signalled.



After taking out the gun mounts, the Israeli fighter pilots turned their attention to the antennae so the ship could not call for help or pick up any more revealing interceptions. Then the planes attacked the bridge, killing instantly the ship's executive officer. With the Liberty now deaf, blind, and silenced, unable to call for help or move, the Israeli pilots proceeded to kill her. Designed to punch holes in the toughest tanks, their shells tore through the Liberty's steel plating like hot nails through butter, exploding into jagged bits of shrapnel and butchering men deep in their living quarters.



As the slaughter continued, neither the Israelis nor the Liberty crew had any idea that witnesses were present high above. Until now, that is. According to information, interviews and documents obtained, for nearly 35 years the NSA has hidden the fact that one of its planes - a Navy EC-121 ferret - was overhead at the time of the incident, eavesdropping on what was going on below. The interceptions from that plane, which answer some of the key questions about the attack, are among the NSA's deepest secrets."
The plan was for the Liberty to go down with all hands, so there would be no witnesses.

Johnson knew it was the Israelis, because his Secretary of State Dean Rusk was in the room with him, and wrote:

"We also lost 34 American lives when, on June 8, the fourth day of the war, the U.S. communications ship Liberty came under air and naval attack. We were meeting with President Johnson in the White House situation room, considering the implications had the Soviets or Egyptians attacked the ship, when we received word from Tel Aviv that Israeli forces were responsible."
But I guess Rusk was driven by an "irrational hatred" of Israel too, right? With no survivors or witnesses, the plan was to blame Egypt so the US could attack Cairo, which Israel was in the middle of the 1967 War with. Johnson already had bombers on the way to Cairo, when word got through that the ship didn't sink. The heroic American sailors SAVED THEIR SHIP while tended to wounded, fighting fires while hurt, in what survivor Phil Tourney calls a "miracle."

The Lord sent a miracle, which exposed the evil-doers. All we have to do is recognize the sign, and do His will.

The fact is the many survivors of the USS Liberty consider it a live issue, since new NSA documents were declassified in 2007, and are asking for a new investigation. Getting the remaining NSA documents declassified is one of their goals. You can contact them at their official site: USS Liberty Memorial


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If anything, this just validates the Bush administration in that they knew even 5 years before 9/11 that Iraq was a threat to our national security but Billy Clinton was just preoccupied with "other things" to notice or care. The real question is did Iraq have something to do with 9/11?
 
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And what does this mean today in 2013? Long years after Saddam is certainly removed from Iraq thanks to his being hanged.

Bush himself knew Bin Laden was planning an attack on NYC before it happened on 9-11. Ms.Rice informed the viewer public of that during the Congressional inquiry.
Removing Saddam from his office 5 years before 9-11 means nothing to 9-11, when Hussein was not the one responsible for those attacks.
 
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ManFromUncle,

I'm still trying to figure out how Prime Minister Netanyahu could have used American troops to do anything. He doesn't command any.

Did you start this thread to talk about
1. The influence of the Neocons in the Bush Administration;
2. Levi Eshkol, who was Prime Minister of Israel during the 1967 War, although you do not mention him by name;
3. The unfortunate attack on the USS Liberty;
4. The activities of Jews in Palestine before independence;
???

Since you keep changing the subject, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

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ManFromUncle,

I'm still trying to figure out how Prime Minister Netanyahu could have used American troops to do anything. He doesn't command any.

Did you start this thread to talk about
1. The influence of the Neocons in the Bush Administration;
2. Levi Eshkol, who was Prime Minister of Israel during the 1967 War, although you do not mention him by name;
3. The unfortunate attack on the USS Liberty;
4. The activities of Jews in Palestine before independence;
???

Since you keep changing the subject, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

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The post from Daily Paul is pretty clear. But how's this.

- a long-time goal of Israel is the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Obviously they can't do it, Israel is too small and does not have the military for a major invasion and occupation.

- The United States does have such an army.

- 5 years before 9/11, Neoconservatives Feith, Perle, who are former high officials in the Reagan administration, are urging Prime Minister Netanyahu to "remove Saddam" from power. Question: who is going to do the removing? There is only one army which can do it: ours.

- Lo and behold, when Bush is elected these same Neocons are in power and that is exactly what they do, invade Iraq. The excuse is 9/11, even though Saddam had nothing to do with it. 9/11 was a false flag operation designed to get us into Iraq, just as the murderous USS Liberty attack was designed to get into the 1967 war against Egypt. That attack failed, because the ship didn't sink and sailors survived to tell everyone the planes were Israeli.

- Feith and Perle are also members of Project for a New American Century, which also expressed a wish to overthrow Saddam, but said that "a new Pearl Harbor" was needed for the public to support it. Other members of PNAC are in key positions on 9/11. Therefore they are key suspects.

No, Netanyahu was not in a position to exploit the US military. But these guys were. It's called treason.
 
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He does, through AIPAC.

This is true, although Harvard Prof. Stephen Walt caught an earful when he published The Israel Lobby. Suddenly a tweedy soft-spoken professor type is being attacked as an anti-semite, for whispering a word against Israel. Want to see something funny watch these Don't Attack Iran anti-war protesters disrupt an AIPAC meeting then get attacked themselves. Then the AIPACers break out in the Israeli national anthem.

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The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer, Stephen M. Walt: 9780374531508: Amazon.com: Books
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Does anyone here actually realize that the Iraq Liberation Act, which made the removal of Hussein and the establishment of democracy in Iraq the official policy of the US government, was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1998??
 
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KWCrazy said:
Does anyone here actually realize that the Iraq Liberation Act, which made the removal of Hussein and the establishment of democracy in Iraq the official policy of the US government, was signed into law by Bill Clinton in 1998??

Your point being...
 
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Your point being...
The OP accuses President Bush of trying to arrange the removal of Hussein at a time when the removal of Hussein was the official policy of the US government, as signed into law by a Democrat. It does so in a negative, partisan fashion which undermines the inherent dishonesty that seems to invade any political discussion of late.
 
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KWCrazy said:
The OP accuses President Bush of trying to arrange the removal of Hussein at a time when the removal of Hussein was the official policy of the US government, as signed into law by a Democrat.

Do you dispute the veracity of this accusation?

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It does so in a negative, partisan fashion which undermines the inherent dishonesty that seems to invade any political discussion of late.

Partisan? Where do you get that from? I don't see any mention of Democrats or Republicans. The OP is an article from a website associated with the libertarian wing of the GOP.
 
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The OP accuses President Bush of trying to arrange the removal of Hussein at a time when the removal of Hussein was the official policy of the US government, as signed into law by a Democrat. It does so in a negative, partisan fashion which undermines the inherent dishonesty that seems to invade any political discussion of late.

There aren't too many ways around the fact that Bush as commander-in-chief asked congress for an Authorization for the Use of Military Force and got it, then used it, as opposed to a symbolic resolution passed under Clinton. That being said it is not clear that Bush was in on 9/11 (which enabled the invasion of Iraq) or just given an ultimatum to play ball or else. This is historian Webster Tarpley's speculation in the video below. Why was Bush left like a sitting duck in the Florida classroom for 20 minutes, at a publicly announced appearance? Why wasn't he whisked away immediately before a plane came crashing down through the roof? Why did they radio Air One "angel is next," meaning Air Force One?

When there is a take-over in the Mafia, nobody gets to vote on it. The "new boss" busts his move and leaves bodies across town, then asks everyone, are you in or are you out? If you want to live you show that you are in.

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That being said it is not clear that Bush was in on 9/11 (which enabled the invasion of Iraq) or just given an ultimatum to play ball or else.
Sorry. When people start with the 9/11 gibberish I'm out of here. Try your theories with the Keebler elves; first hollow tree on your left.
 
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