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"Do you believe it is merely symbolic, or does it actually change into the Body and Blood?"
It's "Symbolic" Jesus said to do it "IN REMEMBERANCE" - not because of some supposed "Sacramental" magic.
And the "Lord's Body" is the other Christians that you're partaking WITH.
"Transubstantiation" is an "Orthodox", and "Catholic" belief.
I am curious to see what effect (if any) is received (when communion is taken) by those who take the bread as a metaphorical representation of the body of Christ and the wine (or grape juice) as a metaphorical representation of the blood of Christ?
"Do you believe it is merely symbolic, or does it actually change into the Body and Blood?"
It's "Symbolic" Jesus said to do it "IN REMEMBERANCE" - not because of some supposed "Sacramental" magic.
And the "Lord's Body" is the other Christians that you're partaking WITH.
"Transubstantiation" is an "Orthodox", and "Catholic" belief.
How wonderfully ambiguity serves your reality.
I'm almost jealous, except the juxtaposition of "real" & "mystery" creates a dangerous tension in my mind. If the "real" in Real Presence were being used as an ordinary adjective, it's intent would be to emphasize the impressiveness of it's actuality.
On the other hand, the way it is used in the religious context, with capitalization strongly suggesting divine title, it hits me like a redundancy iterated out of insecurity, as if guilding the lily would improve rather than destroy it.
Thank you for the bolded parts.
So you assert EOs claim change occurs, but decline to articulate physical &/or spiritual mechanics & timing (beyond duration of liturgical presentation)?
Originally Posted by Bob Carabbio"Do you believe it is merely symbolic, or does it actually change into the Body and Blood?"
It's "Symbolic" Jesus said to do it "IN REMEMBERANCE" - not because of some supposed "Sacramental" magic.
And the "Lord's Body" is the other Christians that you're partaking WITH.
"Transubstantiation" is an "Orthodox", and "Catholic" belief.
The salvos tried that.MJohn7 said:Its not like we can prove what happens in the Lords supper, he told the disciples to take it in remembrance of Him. I would rather not take the Lords supper at all if it meant arguing over it without end, that misses the whole point of how we obey the Lord. Love.
The salvos tried that.
Doesn't help - you only end up arguing about not doing it.
I am curious to see what effect (if any) is received (when communion is taken) by those who take the bread as a metaphorical representation of the body of Christ and the wine (or grape juice) as a metaphorical representation of the blood of Christ?
He also said that he was a door and a vine. Do you take those statements in the same superliteral manner?
It's "Symbolic" Jesus said to do it "IN REMEMBERANCE" - not because of some supposed "Sacramental" magic.
I thought you've already decided you know.I am curious to see what effect (if any) is received (when communion is taken) by those who take the bread as a metaphorical representation of the body of Christ and the wine (or grape juice) as a metaphorical representation of the blood of Christ?
This is where knowing your Greek comes in handy.
The meaning of the words εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἀνάμνησιν is much deeper than just "Yo, remember me".
Well, Sunlover, the point is just that the wording of Scripture indicates that there's more at work there than symbolism. Exactly what that is, I was not attemting to define for you, but I think you can see that some of the wording suggests more than symbolism or remembrance. Of course also, if you don't bother with all the words but instead just cherry-pick the passages, as it looks to me that Optimax did in the verses we were working with, you can MAKE it look like symbolism is the beginning and the end of it.Heck, I can't even understand everything you just said in your second
paragraph.
All I know is if He said it, then that's what it means.
That's enough for me.
I'm blessed to be able to sit at His table
and sup with Him.
ONLY by His shed blood, am I worthy
to partake.
Never mind what men tell me.
Amen?
Sure. As soon as mine stops getting called "mere" symbolism.
what is wrong with calling it a mere symbol?
I thought that was what you believed about it?
you get offended with terms like "just a symbol", and I am not sure why
we believe it is something far greater then a symbol
so if the two options are
A. Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ
or
B. A Symbol
it is an accurate description of the two possibilities
it is like saying "is this ring gold or is it just plastic?"
gold is of greater value then plastic so calling it "just plastic" is accurate way of denoting the worth of the two