What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments?? (2)

[from scratch]

Not quite. The temptation of Jesus was not identical to ours. Satan had nothing in Him, meaning not internal temptation and He also had no sin. His mind had no 'evil defiling thoughts' by the internal temptation of the tempter.

"Like us" 'but without sin' is a pretty major difference and I would consider it crucial to delineate that difference.

s

The same applies to us.

The enemy of my soul doesn't live within me. He was kicked out some 50 years ago.

 

[squint]

The same applies to us.

The enemy of my soul doesn't live within me. He was kicked out some 50 years ago.

Yeah, and you never sin and if you do you are the sole exception to the facts of 1 John 3:8.

 

[GenemZ]

The same applies to us.

The enemy of my soul doesn't live within me. He was kicked out some 50 years ago.

I have come to believe that Squint may have a personal demon problem that he believes to be a universal occurrence. He apparently has his own problem with demons for reasons only known by God. It appears that possibly Squint is wishing to have his own cross to bear to be something he wishes for all believers to bear.



In case I did not tell you.. He is on my Ignore list. Keep that in mind if he chooses to respond to my words. I am no longer dialoging with him. If he says anything that you would like me to address, let me know. Otherwise I do not wish to be bothered.

 

[squint]

I have come to believe that Squint may have a personal demon problem that he believes to be a universal occurrence. He apparently has his own problem with demons for reasons only known by God. It appears that possibly Squint is wishing to have his own cross to bear to be something he wishes for all believers to bear.

Anyone is welcome to claim they are not tempted in mind by the tempter.

I do not find those claims credible or truthful.

 

[GenemZ]

Anyone is welcome to claim they are not tempted in mind by the tempter.

I do not find those claims credible or truthful.

I just peeked. You have changed your tune.

I asked you to clarify several times. You said that Satan shares in our experience of the sin. If that is not what you believe now? Say so.

I asked you several times for clarification, if what I just said you said, is true. You did not disagree.

Now, you have changed your stance. Typical. I weeded you out by putting you on Ignore.

You will obfuscate again?

Does Satan share in the actual experience of our sin... in union with us... when we sin? That he is experiencing in our sin what we are experiencing? Sinning by proxy. That is what you used to say was the case after I asked you several times.

Have you repented?

 

[squint]

I just peeked. You have changed your tune.

I haven't changed anything.

 

[GenemZ]

I haven't changed anything.

Ok then...


Does Satan share in the actual experience of our sin... in union with us... when we sin? That he is experiencing in our sin what we are experiencing? Sinning by proxy.


ANSWER THE QUESTION ....

 

[squint]

Ok then...

Does Satan share in the actual experience of our sin... in union with us... when we sin? That he is experiencing in our sin what we are experiencing? Sinning by proxy.

ANSWER THE QUESTION ....

You seem to be having an extremely difficult time with the subject matter.

The tempter tempts in mind. Evil thoughts are evil and defiling. There is your connection.

You are welcome to claim that believers are not tempted by the tempter in mind. It makes no difference to me if you do or not. Believe what you want.

s

 

[GenemZ]

You are welcome to claim that believers are not tempted by the tempter in mind.

Squint. What's wrong with you?

I asked for an answer to a specific question? And, you switch to something I did not say.

I believe you need to deal with your personal demons. Soon.

They are ruining your ability to perceive what is being said. You are seeing things that are not being said. That is a serious problem. So, somebody ought to tell you.

 

[squint]

Squint. What's wrong with you?

I asked for an answer to a specific question? And, you switch to something I did not say.

You've been making false claims about what I've said for days now.

Here, for the record, I agree with ORTHODOX teaching on this, which I also said prior. You just can't quite seem to get the picture for some odd reason.

"Temptation is here taken to be an incitement to sin whether by persuasion or by the offer of some good or pleasure. It may be merely external, as was the case of Christ's encounter in the desert after the forty days' fast; or it may be internal as well, inasmuch as there is a real assault upon a person's will power. It arises sometimes from the propensity to evil inherent in us as a result of original sin. Sometimes it is directly chargeable to the intervention of the Devil, who can furnish the imagination with its sinful subject-matter and stir up the lower powers of the soul."

I believe you need to deal with your personal demons. Soon.

I believe you don't have clue one about the subject matter.

They are ruining your ability to perceive what is being said. You are seeing things that are not being said. That is a serious problem. So, somebody ought to tell you.

Somebody ought to tell you not to mistake squint for the voices in your own head claiming to be what I said.

And just to intervene one more time about the temptation of Jesus Christ as you don't seem to be able to catch the drift on that matter either, His temptation was ENTIRELY EXTERNAL in nature by an entity that was NOT HIM or IN HIM in any way, just so we can try to clear that spin on your end as well.

I won't be waiting for you to get the picture either. I can see however that the minds of mankind are subject to INTRUSION by THE DEVIL in the form of tempting thoughts which lead to deception, and potentially sin in word and culminating in deed, the fulfillment of the deceptions of INTERNAL LUST inserted by SATAN, making a full blown slave of same in deed.

The law not only prompts Satan into action, it compels Satan into action, again by the citings of Matt. 13, Mark 4, Luke 8 and many many other scriptural citings.

s

 

[GenemZ]

You've been making false claims about what I've said for days now.

Here, for the record, I agree with ORTHODOX teaching on this, which I also said prior. You just can't quite seem to get the picture for some odd reason.

"Temptation is here taken to be an incitement to sin whether by persuasion or by the offer of some good or pleasure. It may be merely external, as was the case of Christ's encounter in the desert after the forty days' fast; or it may be internal as well, inasmuch as there is a real assault upon a person's will power. It arises sometimes from the propensity to evil inherent in us as a result of original sin. Sometimes it is directly chargeable to the intervention of the Devil, who can furnish the imagination with its sinful subject-matter and stir up the lower powers of the soul."

Finally! An answer that is direct! But you are merely quoting a Catholic web page! CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Temptation

But you stopped quoting short of the following!


Temptation is not in itself sin. No matter how vivid the unholy image may be, no matter how strong the inclination to transgress the law, no matter how vehement the sensation of unlawful satisfaction, as long as there is no consent of the will, there is no sin.


Satan is not one with us in our sin. He is one with us in the temptation, which is NOT sin.

I believe you don't have clue one about the subject matter.Somebody ought to tell you not to mistake squint for the voices in your own head claiming to be what I said.

Anyone here can verify by taking the time to view our past dialogues. I don't know why they would bother since they see for themselves you manipulating them in the same way you still trying to pull off.

And just to intervene one more time about the temptation of Jesus Christ as you don't seem to be able to catch the drift on that matter either, His temptation was ENTIRELY EXTERNAL in nature by an entity that was NOT HIM or IN HIM in any way, just so we can try to clear that spin on your end as well.

There you go... Acting like I do not believe that, and that I have to stop being a dummy for not believing it. You're a manipulator.

I won't be waiting for you to get the picture either. I can see however that the minds of mankind are subject to INTRUSION by THE DEVIL in the form of tempting thoughts which lead to deception, and potentially sin in word and culminating in deed, the fulfillment of the deceptions of INTERNAL LUST inserted by SATAN, making a full blown slave of same in deed.

I learned that principle when I was first saved. You're acting like its news.

But, this part you need to explain ...

, the fulfillment of the deceptions of INTERNAL LUST inserted by SATAN,

You are saying that Satan inserts into us our lust? I understand that he can project thoughts as to stimulate our lusts. But, to insert a lust? Don't you think the sin nature is enough? It can happen that we receive a desire out of the clear blue. Is that what you are trying to say?

The law not only prompts Satan into action, it compels Satan into action, again by the citings of Matt. 13, Mark 4, Luke 8 and many many other scriptural citings.

If those passages are essential to your justification? GIVE THEM!
Simply stating chapter numbers? In themselves they can be very long and contain many subjects. Like everybody else here who knows how to debate with consideration for the other, copy and paste the verses to your post.


If you never learned how to copy and paste let me know. I will tell you how its done. I do believe you know how to cut and paste. And, also too lazy to care.

 

[squint]

Finally! An answer! Why couldn't you do that the first five times I asked you?

Answered many many times, specifically that I understand these matters just as does orthodoxy and protestantism. It's right here in this thread if you care to search it back.

Being internally tempted of the tempter is not a 'new' understanding genez.

Your claim however was that temptation is strictly 'external' and that I REJECT as not true.

s

 

[GenemZ]

Answered many many times, specifically that I understand these matters just as does orthodoxy and protestantism. It's right here in this thread if you care to search it back.

Being internally tempted of the tempter is not a 'new' understanding genez.

Your claim however was that temptation is strictly 'external' and that I REJECT as not true.

s

Go back and read about what I found out about your quote from the Catholic web page.

 

[squint]

Go back and read about what I found out about your quote from the Catholic web page.

Catholics believe that only the external act of sin is sin. I don't.

Jesus was clear that evil thoughts are evil and defiling, ALSO cited many many times.

The devils temptation thoughts are assuredly evil and assuredly defiling, even if some don't think so.

s

 

[GenemZ]

The devils temptation thoughts are assuredly evil and assuredly defiling, even if some don't think so.

OK we get it.

The thoughts are intended to defile...

 

[squint]

OK we get it.

The thoughts are intended to defile...

The RCC has a logical fallacy on the matter. They will confess that they sin in thought, but apparently that sin is not of the devil. And in that they are in conflict with 1 John 3:8 among other citings.

Any temptation thought of the tempter is evil in origination because of the tempter and is therefore both evil and defiling.

Telling sect members that they sin in thought is not appealing truth to the masses. Therefore a lot of sects pander to the masses and they also excuse the devils thoughts of temptation as not evil or defiling or sin. None of which are true. But it apparently makes the masses feel better about themselves.

 

[GenemZ]

The RCC has a logical fallacy on the matter. They will confess that they sin in thought, but apparently that sin is not of the devil. And in that they are in conflict with 1 John 3:8 among other citings.

Any temptation thought of the tempter is evil in origination because of the tempter and is therefore both evil and defiling.

Telling sect members that they sin in thought is not appealing truth to the masses. Therefore a lot of sects pander to the masses and they also excuse the devils thoughts of temptation as not evil or defiling or sin. None of which are true. But it apparently makes the masses feel better about themselves.

Revelation 20:1-3
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And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit
and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil,
and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

​

Satan will be off the face of the earth for a thousand years during the Millennial reign of Christ. One thousand years.

Yet?

Men will still sin during those years. No Satan, but there will still be sin. Men are also tempted by their own lusts which originate in their flesh. No need for any demon to goad them into sin. Selfish and greedy people do not need prompting from the devil. The Devil is only a supercharger with them when he chooses to use them for his own desired outcome... like having them run for office.


Those who reign with Christ for those thousand years will have to execute those who sin against the Lord during those years. No Satan to be found, yet sin will still be there for those choose to be arrogantly selfish.

Revelation 2:26-27
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To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father.

​

I don't give a hoot if you do not like the end time Scriptures. Its still the Word of God!

But, I can see why you always run away from it.


For its a very inconvenient Truth that sticks you in your tender spot. It shoots down your pet false teaching flying over that swamp. Men will still sin while Satan is not there to deceive them. BANG!

​

 

[VictorC]

Thank God for scripture.

Agreed. So far I can't see where you have accepted Scripture's authority, so I don't know why you're thanking God for His inspired Word.

20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
26Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?


27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This is unrelated to my request for evidence that God ever asked/commanded either the Gentiles or His adopted children to observe the sabbath. Perhaps you should read Romans 2:23 more carefully in your own post. The quote from Isaiah 8:20 still applies to those who speak contrary to the Law.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Agreed. So far I can't see where you have accepted Scripture's authority, so I don't know why you're thanking God for His inspired Word.

This is unrelated to my request for evidence that God ever asked/commanded either the Gentiles or His adopted children to observe the sabbath. Perhaps you should read Romans 2:23 more carefully in your own post. The quote from Isaiah 8:20 still applies to those who speak contrary to the Law.

I've never had any law promoter tell me where God told Gentiles to observe the Sabbath, they keep playing find the hat with the rabbit in it.

 

[GenemZ]

The RCC has a logical fallacy on the matter. They will confess that they sin in thought, but apparently that sin is not of the devil. And in that they are in conflict with 1 John 3:8 among other citings.

Any temptation thought of the tempter is evil in origination because of the tempter and is therefore both evil and defiling.

Telling sect members that they sin in thought is not appealing truth to the masses. Therefore a lot of sects pander to the masses and they also excuse the devils thoughts of temptation as not evil or defiling or sin. None of which are true. But it apparently makes the masses feel better about themselves.

I think I may see your problem in defining sin. There is demon inducement to sin via powers of darkness.

But, you seem to think its the only way in which men will sin. Men do not need to be energized by demonic influence in order to sin. But, I will agree that there are powers of darkness that at times will try to get us to sin.. as if it were by remote control working on the person. In that case its defiling in effect because what they wish to induce goes against the person's norms and standards. In contrast, the sin nature usually goes after what the person would want to do.