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how can you be sure that the devil is evil and the bible is correct?
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Everybody is human. It is just some that are more human than others.
Gotcha
Thanks for playing.
Thank you for agreeing with my point: That Christians are very much for saving babies in the womb, but once born many Christians don't object to the fact that they die through lack of proper health care.
I don't understand it either.
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What are you babbling about?
I don't believe I've ever given my opinion on abortion on this forum, so how would possibly know it?
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I wouldn't
And yet I still pegged you on it.
No.
You have no idea what my opinion on abortion is, so by claiming to have "pegged" me on it, you are breaking the Ninth Commandment.
Please stop. Thank you.
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Just because he isn't as passionate about it as you would like doesn't mean he agrees with it! I think what you did was unfair. If I were you I would offer an apology.Oh but I most certainly do.
If you had any passion at all on the issue at all , it wouldn' be like pulling teeth to get you to say how furious you are that 3500 a day 50 million in the last two generations have been destroyed.
It is not like I haven't asked enough times.
So you are so very very welcome.
Ken
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No. You claim to know my position on abortion, and have "pegged" me on it, when I've never discussed it.
That means either:
A. You can read my mind.
B. You are lying.
Which is it?
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juvenissun
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Absolutely not.
When I published a book, I don't need the confirmation from any other books.
If a book said something I agreed with, then I list it as a reference.
If a book do not agree with me, then I criticize it in my book.
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Of course whatever Moses did is justified, include the order of killing.
If you don't agree, we can talk about it. Which one do you think that Moses did wrong?
If you read chapter 3 of a book says: gravity works. But chapter 5 says: gravity does not work. What would you do? Thrown the book out, or read the chapters in detail to find out what's going on?
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Good, as long as you are willing to argue, there is a hope for you to understand.
If God does not allow Moses to kill, then Israelites will all be killed. It is not a situation to kill for fun. It is a life and death struggle. It is a WAR. Yes, in this war, women, children, even cows and cats, are all involved. It is much more than just winning a battle.
If you like to know more: This kind of war continued for almost a whole Century. Do you know what? Ultimately, Israelites failed. They did not kill enough as God orders them to do. Three hundreds years later. The kingdom of Israel was destroyed because of this fatal mistake made by their ancestors.
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I said AN OUTSIDE SOURCE!!! I did not say it had to come from a book.
What are you talking about??? I am not talking about weather or not you agree with something, I'm talking about how you atain the truth! Just because you agree with it and put it in your book doesn't make it the truth!
Again; in order to confirm something as true, you need to reference an outside source. Do you agree with this? If not please provide an example.
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Numbers 31:17-18. After the war was over Moses instructed his warriers to kill all the captured men and children; and kill all the women who are not virgins. The women who are virgins you can keep them alive for yourselves. Here Moses claims God wants them to commit genoside and rape against the Midinites. Do you have a problem with this?
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I know this question was asked for someone else but I would like to give my opinion; even though I doubt you would agree.
I believe men of war will worship a God of war; and men of peace will worship a God of peace. I believe Moses, Saul, and Joshua worshipped a God of war and they behaved accordingly. I believe Christians of today worship Jesus who is a God of peace.
The problem comes when today's Christians who worship the God of peace feel a need to justify the actions of those men who worshipped the God of war, and they find themselves justifying behavior that they know they would never tolorate from anyone else thus it makes them look hyprocryptical.
Ken
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No I don't.
What if everyone is wrong but I am right? This situation happened numerous times everywhere all the time.
Particularly in the case of the Bible, there is NO outside source to confirm the truth in the Bible. Nothing.
For example, the Pop said a non-Christian still could be saved. I do not agree. This major outside source does not apply to me.
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please don't use the quote button to quote this entire text as it is long and just uses up the page. instead please refer to this post as the OP(original post).
as the title suggests, I would like to ask the question of why you think that god=good and the devil=bad and the bible=truth.
now from what I think I know about the devil is that he is/was a fallen angel (I don't know whether this holds true in the Christian religion) who is trying to "overrule" god (still I don't know if this is true in Christianity).
from the bible
put simply the story of god and the devil in genesis is this...
god created the universe. god created man/woman with free will. god put man/woman in a garden. god put a lovely looking tree bam smack in da' centre of the garden that man/woman were NOT meant to eat from.
even from the last paragraph you can see that something fishy is going on here... this is almost exactly like leaving two kids in a room with a knife in the centre and expecting them not to touch it...
a snake just goes into the garden and tells eve to eat from the tree, and she did. looking back over the start of the bible I can see no mention of the "devil" anywhere here but please correct me if I'm wrong. because it does not say it was the devil in disguise it would not be irrational to assume that it could be god in disguise. god comes "down" from wherever and starts looking for the 2 (naked!) people. god punishes man/woman for following orders that he knew they were going to take without question and made the choice not help out the ones he "infinity loved". and don't say it would have interfered with free-will, because it would not if he still let them have a choice of whether to follow his orders or not.
god kicks out man/woman. god gets flaming sword to defend the tree of life.
from this we can assume the following...
1) god created universe
2) god make stupid people
3) a snake made them smart
4) god is very trigger happy when it comes to punishment
5) [insert atheist joke about god looking for naked people here]
all that being said how do we know that the bible is accurate? I mean it's all well and good doing the "bible wheel" (the bible was written by god-->it says it was written by god in the bible-->god is omnipotent-->see step 1) but using that basicly means that I can say "I am omnipotent" and using that wheel I am unfalsifiable.
another way you could say that you know that the bible is correct is because lots of people think it is. now lots of kids (younger than myself I might add) that Santa and the tooth fairy are both real. and it even goes to common mis-conception, I mean how many times has someone said "I'm just going to hoover the house." this makes no sense because that would mean that the brand "hoover" = vacuum cleaner (and it doesn't BTW
another way you could say it's correct is that "you feel it when you pray". now, have you ever considered that humans possess the ability to control what we are feeling to a certain extent? source youtube /watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPBzanM7wU0#t=134 skip to 2:15 if your browser does not do it for you (please remove the space from the web address my post count is <50 so the spam bot filter won't let me post links or pictures or PMs)
also you must know that text does get re-written and changed over time (the original scripts can't last forever right? (well... unless they were carved into diamond.... you know... just so the god can get his word across unlike those "fake religions") so it would not be unreasonable to think that (from he amount of times the devil appears in the bible) someone over the years wrote a few words wrong that lead to other people to misinterpret it and maybe get the completely wrong message.
so all that being said how can you be sure that what you are following is correct and (I think more importantly) are you receiving the original message? or are you just believing what you are hearing because that's what everyone else does and you accept their judgement with seeing if it makes sense to you?
PS: I am 14 years old so i probably have missed A LOT out of my argument. I would just like to see you peoples response to it
Don't doubt God's ability to keep his word from being tampered with, the truth will be revealed.
(2 Thessalonians 2:7-12) 7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work; but only till he who is right now acting as a restraint gets to be out of the way. 8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
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