No new Mosques?

[TG123]

You regard your fellow Christians as bigots because they are aware of the danger that Islam represents to the free world. Furthermore, you apologize for any attempt at stopping the relentless advance of the Islamic supremacist movement. I wonder what does it take for people like you to finally see the world as it really is.

I don't regard fellow Christians (or anyone else for that matter) as a bigot if she or he condemns terrorism carried out by Muslims. I do regard people (Christians and non-Christians) as bigots if they condemn terrorism carried out by Muslims but ignore or go as far as to defend terrorism carried out by Christians or other non-Muslims against Muslims.

You calling the West "the free world" shows your bias. You ignore or are ignorant of the fact that "the free world" gives weapons to governments that abuse the human rights of Muslims and Christians alike- like the government of Israel, the government of Egypt under Mubarak, the government of Uzbekistan. You ignore or are ignorant of the fact that "the free world" (especially the US and Canada) supports groups that murder and oppress our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ in Latin and South America... like our military support to the Colombian Army and the regime in Honduras, the unfair trade agreements that impoverish millions in Mexico and El Salvador and Guatemala, the mistreatment and sometimes murder of Mexican migrants trying to flee the hell NAFTA made of their country.

The "free world" does indeed offer better human rights to those living in it than Iran or Cuba do to its citizens- I am not denying that and only a totally brainwashed leftist would suggest differently... but to call our countries "the free world" totally ignores the freedoms we help take away from others.

I suggest you to study the recent history of Lebanon. This country was until very recently a Christian country. During the XX century its economy was thriving, and they open their border to their neighboring Muslim nations, whose citizens came to Lebanon to study and to work. The Lebanese birth rate was lower than the Muslim birth rate. This, combined with the massive Muslim immigration, changed the demographic landscape of Lebanon completely. After a few decades, the Christian and Muslim populations were equal in size. Then, the Muslim population became extremely aggressive. They demanded Sharia law and formed their own army. The Lebanese people failed to understand them, since thy couldn't believe that the Islamic discourse was a serious one. After all, most Lebanese people had moderate Muslim friends, neighbors and colleagues. How powerful could the radicals be? However, when the Muslim army in Lebanon declared widespread jihad against the Christian population, even the most moderate Muslims joined the fight and started killing their neighbors. Muslims used to desecrate churches, to rape women, to behead men, to crucify boys and to smear honey in their private part to attract the bees so as to maximize the pain that they were suffering in their agony. They even forced mothers to cut the throats of their own sons. If you don't believe me, watch this:

The Truth About Islam: An Interview With Brigitte Gabriel - YouTube

Muslims have done horrific things to Christians in Lebanon, this is true. Christians have also done horrific things to Muslims there. Read up on the Falange, and on the massacres and tortures they perpetrated against Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims alike.

If you are going to condemn murder and rape and imperialism, do it for both sides that are doing it. Otherwise you will come across as a hypocrite.

Peace in Christ,
TG123

 

[Crypto]

I don't regard fellow Christians (or anyone else for that matter) as a bigot if she or he condemns terrorism carried out by Muslims. I do regard people (Christians and non-Christians) as bigots if they condemn terrorism carried out by Muslims but ignore or go as far as to defend terrorism carried out by Christians or other non-Muslims against Muslims.

You calling the West "the free world" shows your bias. You ignore or are ignorant of the fact that "the free world" gives weapons to governments that abuse the human rights of Muslims and Christians alike- like the government of Israel, the government of Egypt under Mubarak, the government of Uzbekistan. You ignore or are ignorant of the fact that "the free world" (especially the US and Canada) supports groups that murder and oppress our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ in Latin and South America... like our military support to the Colombian Army and the regime in Honduras, the unfair trade agreements that impoverish millions in Mexico and El Salvador and Guatemala, the mistreatment and sometimes murder of Mexican migrants trying to flee the hell NAFTA made of their country.

The "free world" does indeed offer better human rights to those living in it than Iran or Cuba do to its citizens- I am not denying that and only a totally brainwashed leftist would suggest differently... but to call our countries "the free world" totally ignores the freedoms we help take away from others.


Muslims have done horrific things to Christians in Lebanon, this is true. Christians have also done horrific things to Muslims there. Read up on the Falange, and on the massacres and tortures they perpetrated against Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims alike.

If you are going to condemn murder and rape and imperialism, do it for both sides that are doing it. Otherwise you will come across as a hypocrite.

Peace in Christ,
TG123

Believe it or not people like you is as responsible for the sufferings of the persecuted Christians as the Muslims themselves. You perpetuate the myth about Christians and Muslims being equally bad. You justify the actions of the Muslims, which are religiously motivated, by evoking the actions of USA or NATO, which are not religiously motivated. Who brainwashed you to this extent? By the way, I am from South America. Argentina, to be more precise. So, don't cry for me. You haven't done anything wrong in the region. You are not bad. Don't believe all the lies that the enemies of your country spread about you. USA is not free of sins or mistakes, of course, but what nation is it? USA is currently one of the best nations in the world, not because of your economy, but because of the freedom and liberty that your citizens enjoy. You were the cradle of many ideas that gave the world a better standard of living, not from a materialistic point of view (although this would also be true), but from a humanistic point of view. So, don't swallow all the self-deprecating lies of the liberals.

 

[muslimsoldier4life]

Salaam Alaikum. I share your anger and disgust at the conduct of some non-Muslims (including some Christians) on this forum who support taking discriminatory measures against Islam. I think it is cruel and bigoted to ban the building of mosques or wearing of the hijab, or other measures that Muslims are subjected to or being threatened with. I condemn such actions.

Do you condemn the restrictions that Saudi Arabia imposes on non-Muslims, such as not allowing them to wear crosses in public or forcing them to worship in seclusion and banning prosyletizing?

Walaikumsalaam. Not even in the days of the Prophet SAW, were Christians banned from worshiping in public. Proselytism is banned in Islam, so if Muslims cannot do it, do you really expect Christians to receive special treatment in regards to this. The religious police in Saudi are corrupt, and the King (along with the Princes) have been puppets of the West for far too long. They need to re-think who we are, and not allow Wahabism to continue dominating their lives. Saudi needs to take a firmer stance against Israel, and punish the United States for blindly helping Israel and never speaking out whenever they do something wrong.

I am disappointed with the Kingdom, as are scores of other Muslims. Once Saudi Arabia changes for the better, other Muslim countries will follow suit.

 

[TG123]

Walaikumsalaam. Not even in the days of the Prophet SAW, were Christians banned from worshiping in public. Proselytism is banned in Islam, so if Muslims cannot do it, do you really expect Christians to receive special treatment in regards to this. The religious police in Saudi are corrupt, and the King (along with the Princes) have been puppets of the West for far too long. They need to re-think who we are, and not allow Wahabism to continue dominating their lives. Saudi needs to take a firmer stance against Israel, and punish the United States for blindly helping Israel and never speaking out whenever they do something wrong.

I am disappointed with the Kingdom, as are scores of other Muslims. Once Saudi Arabia changes for the better, other Muslim countries will follow suit.

Salaam Alaikum, Muslimsoldier4life.

Thank you for denouncing the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia banning non-Muslims from worshiping in public, and for saying you are disappointed with them. That does mean a lot to me. Thank you.

Could you please clarify what you mean when you wrote this:

Proselytism is banned in Islam, so if Muslims cannot do it, do you really expect Christians to receive special treatment in regards to this.

Does Islam ban Muslims from prosyletizing to non-Muslims?

 

[Crypto]

Salaam Alaikum, Muslimsoldier4life.

Thank you for denouncing the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia banning non-Muslims from worshiping in public, and for saying you are disappointed with them. That does mean a lot to me. Thank you.

Could you please clarify what you mean when you wrote this:

Proselytism is banned in Islam, so if Muslims cannot do it, do you really expect Christians to receive special treatment in regards to this.

Does Islam ban Muslims from prosyletizing to non-Muslims?

He didn't denounce it. He dodge your question and, furthermore, said that Muslims cannot proselytize, which is the worst lie that I have read in this forum. Islamic proselytism is carried out 24/7 in Saudi Arabia. Just watch the Saudi TV channels.

 

[TG123]

Believe it or not people like you is as responsible for the sufferings of the persecuted Christians as the Muslims themselves. You perpetuate the myth about Christians and Muslims being equally bad.

Sometimes Muslims are worse. Sometimes Christians are worse. Sometimes they are both equally bad.

In Egypt, the Muslims have treated Christians far worse than Christians have treated Muslims. In Bosnia, Christians have treated Muslims far worse than Muslims have treated Christians.

You justify the actions of the Muslims, which are religiously motivated, by evoking the actions of USA or NATO, which are not religiously motivated.

How does pointing out crimes by NATO and USA justify crimes carried out by Muslims? That's kind of like saying that pointing out crimes carried out by Stalin during the Second World War makes you a Nazi, since we all know Hitler and Stalin were enemies.

Who brainwashed you to this extent?

I just read facts from all different sources. I read Al Jazeera as well as FOX and I get email updates from Christian Friends of Israel as well as Christian Peacemaker Teams. I read news and information from a variety of sources, and come to my conclusions. You can call it brainwashing. I call it doing research.

By the way, I am from South America. Argentina, to be more precise. So, don't cry for me. You haven't done anything wrong in the region. You are not bad. Don't believe all the lies that the enemies of your country spread about you.

I was in El Salvador, and I met people whose families and friends were murdered by US-backed death squads. I met with Mexican migrants in the Sonora Desert who were forced to leave their farms and everything they had because your and my leaders signed a trade deal with a corrupt Mexican government. I know about Canadian and American foreign policy in Latin and South America, and the bloodshed and terror it brought to hundreds of thousands of people there. It reminds me of Soviet foreign policy towards my birth country, Poland.

USA is not free of sins or mistakes, of course, but what nation is it?

The same is true for Iran.

USA is currently one of the best nations in the world, not because of your economy, but because of the freedom and liberty that your citizens enjoy. You were the cradle of many ideas that gave the world a better standard of living, not from a materialistic point of view (although this would also be true), but from a humanistic point of view. So, don't swallow all the self-deprecating lies of the liberals.

I hate to point this out to you but I am Canadian, not American.

Secondly, I have already conceded that Americans and Canadians are treated better by their governments than people in many developing countries. This does not excuse in any way our complicity in human rights violations and the state terror we support to back people up who defend our political and economic interests.

Thirdly, I am not a liberal. I am against abortion, and I am against homosexual marriage. I am against secularizing our schools and banning the Lord's Prayer. I condemn Canadian and American and Israeli crimes, but this does not mean I ignore crimes perpetrated by Iranians or Saudis or Russians. I don't believe in denouncing some human rights violators while defending others. I take this stance because of my faith, not because I am "liberal" or "conservative". Jesus hated hypocrisy, so I do my best not to engage in it.

 

[Crypto]

Walaikumsalaam. Not even in the days of the Prophet SAW, were Christians banned from worshiping in public. Proselytism is banned in Islam, so if Muslims cannot do it, do you really expect Christians to receive special treatment in regards to this. The religious police in Saudi are corrupt, and the King (along with the Princes) have been puppets of the West for far too long. They need to re-think who we are, and not allow Wahabism to continue dominating their lives. Saudi needs to take a firmer stance against Israel, and punish the United States for blindly helping Israel and never speaking out whenever they do something wrong.

I am disappointed with the Kingdom, as are scores of other Muslims. Once Saudi Arabia changes for the better, other Muslim countries will follow suit.

<staff edit>

Christians Are Still Brutally Persecuted in Somalia, by Muslims - YouTube

 

[TG123]

He didn't denounce it. He dodge your question and, furthermore, said that Muslims cannot proselytize, which is the worst lie that I have read in this forum. Islamic proselytism is carried out 24/7 in Saudi Arabia. Just watch the Saudi TV channels.

I too am waiting for him to explain what he meant when he said Islam does not allow Muslims to prosyletize.

He did say that not even during Muhammad's time were Christians banned from worshiping publicly. I understand that he meant he is opposed to Christians not being able to publicly worship in Saudi Arabia.

MuslimSoldier4Life if you are reading this, can you state whether or not you believe it is wrong for Saudi Arabia to ban Christians from openly worshiping?

Thanks.

 

[TG123]

<staff edited>

Christians Are Still Brutally Persecuted in Somalia, by Muslims - YouTube

What has he lied about, other than the statement that Islam bans Muslims from prosyletizing? I am surprised to have heard him said this, so I'd gladly see what he meant by that. Nothing else he wrote in that post was a lie.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Salaam Alaikum. I share your anger and disgust at the conduct of some non-Muslims (including some Christians) on this forum who support taking discriminatory measures against Islam. I think it is cruel and bigoted to ban the building of mosques or wearing of the hijab, or other measures that Muslims are subjected to or being threatened with. I condemn such actions.

Do you condemn the restrictions that Saudi Arabia imposes on non-Muslims, such as not allowing them to wear crosses in public or forcing them to worship in seclusion and banning prosyletizing?

Saudi is difficult to understand.

The first thing a person must know is it is a Kingdom, an absolute monarchy under thje private owneship of the al-Saud family. Nearly every citizen is a member of the al-Saud family.

When one goes into Saudi they are entering private property. This is sort of like going onto a large Ranch that is all private property. You can not think of Saudi in the same terms as you would think of public land. You have think in relationship to visiting a large plantation.

Think like you are going on a tour of the Del-Monte Pineapple plantation. I doubt if Del-Monte would let you sell Chiquitta pineapple juice on plantation owned land.

Like any piece of Private property the land owner is going to set the rules as to what you can do on his property. Would you build a church on the Del-Monte plantation, unless the owners asked you to?

Keep in mind a person going into Saudi does not own any property there. There is no Public land. All Saudi land is owned by the al-Saud Family. There is no land for Sale. Although the al-Saud Family has leased out considerable land to the US for Military bases and to oil companies for oil production. But, it is still owned by the al-Saud family.

If a person is in Saudi and they are not a member of the Royal Family most likely they are either Oil Company employees or US military.

Would you let a Hindu build an alter to Kali in your living room and teach your children to worship Kali?

This is essentially what missionaries are trying to do on the private property of the al-Saud Family.

On the complexes leased by the US Military or the oil companies. Residents on them can do as they please provided they keep it on the land they are leasing.

Saudi used to be much more open about non-Muslims expressing their beliefs on Saudi owned land. But in the past 50 years Missionaries coming into the nation posing as Students or tourists have pretty much proven them selves as being major pests. How long would you put up with a Hare-Krishna monk sitting in your Bedroom preaching to you about Krishna every time you walked into your own Bedroom.

How welcoming of me would you be if I tried to Turn your garage into a Mosque and Madrassas in order to convert your children to Islam. Essentially this is what Missionaries in Saudi are trying to do to Saudis, convert the al-Saud family to Christianity in their own living rooms..

Another thing to keep in mind. Saudis are not isolated. Very Many Saudi do travel outside of Saudi and do attend schools in other Nations. They are not shut out of learning about Christianity. A very large number of Saudis have read the bible and have attended Churches in other nations. Few will leave Islam, but they are not isolated from learning about other religions as they travel

Look around at every major US university and you will find Muslim Students from Islamic Nation. They are well exposed to Christian missionaries. Except for some third world nations it will be difficult to find a Muslim that has not been exposed to Christianity.

Yes Saudi should allow the wearing of Crosses, distribution of Bibles. the proselytizing of any religion etc on Public Land. But one must remember there is no Public land in Saudi, it is all privately owned by the al-Saud family.

The issue is over rights a private land owner has regarding his property.

Yes, if a Christian owned a piece of property in Saudi he should have the right to build a Church on it. But no Christians own any land in Saudi and there is no land available to buy.

 

[Crypto]

Sometimes Muslims are worse. Sometimes Christians are worse. Sometimes they are both equally bad.

In Egypt, the Muslims have treated Christians far worse than Christians have treated Muslims. In Bosnia, Christians have treated Muslims far worse than Muslims have treated Christians.


How does pointing out crimes by NATO and USA justify crimes carried out by Muslims? That's kind of like saying that pointing out crimes carried out by Stalin during the Second World War makes you a Nazi, since we all know Hitler and Stalin were enemies.


I just read facts from all different sources. I read Al Jazeera as well as FOX and I get email updates from Christian Friends of Israel as well as Christian Peacemaker Teams. I read news and information from a variety of sources, and come to my conclusions. You can call it brainwashing. I call it doing research.

I was in El Salvador, and I met people whose families and friends were murdered by US-backed death squads. I met with Mexican migrants in the Sonora Desert who were forced to leave their farms and everything they had because your and my leaders signed a trade deal with a corrupt Mexican government. I know about Canadian and American foreign policy in Latin and South America, and the bloodshed and terror it brought to hundreds of thousands of people there. It reminds me of Soviet foreign policy towards my birth country, Poland.


The same is true for Iran.

I hate to point this out to you but I am Canadian, not American.

Secondly, I have already conceded that Americans and Canadians are treated better by their governments than people in many developing countries. This does not excuse in any way our complicity in human rights violations and the state terror we support to back people up who defend our political and economic interests.

Thirdly, I am not a liberal. I am against abortion, and I am against homosexual marriage. I am against secularizing our schools and banning the Lord's Prayer. I condemn Canadian and American and Israeli crimes, but this does not mean I ignore crimes perpetrated by Iranians or Saudis or Russians. I don't believe in denouncing some human rights violators while defending others. I take this stance because of my faith, not because I am "liberal" or "conservative". Jesus hated hypocrisy, so I do my best not to engage in it.

If there are lots of people like you in Canada, your country is already lost. I won't answer all of the points you raised because I am aware that I'd do it in vain. By the way, I know much more about the American policies in South America than you. Heck, I spent my whole life in South America and I was born there. The situation is more complex than you think. To put it briefly, the USA did a good job in the region. At the time we were struggling to control the communist guerrillas and without the USA we could have fallen prey of them.

 

[Crypto]

What has he lied about, other than the statement that Islam bans Muslims from prosyletizing? I am surprised to have heard him said this, so I'd gladly see what he meant by that. Nothing else he wrote in that post was a lie.

He completely dodged the question. It was easy to say "yes, I condemn the restrictions and persecutions that Christians suffer in Saudi Arabia". Then he could have added that some of those persecutions are related to political issues or whatnot. He won't condemn the restrictions because those restrictions are part of Sharia law. He is bound to obey Sharia law, and that entails forcing us to obey it too.

Islamic clerics say: "yes I condemn the assassination of innocents", but they fail to mention that according to the Sharia principles, American and European citizens are not innocent.

 

[WoodrowX2]

Salaam Alaikum, Muslimsoldier4life.

Thank you for denouncing the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia banning non-Muslims from worshiping in public, and for saying you are disappointed with them. That does mean a lot to me. Thank you.

Could you please clarify what you mean when you wrote this:

Proselytism is banned in Islam, so if Muslims cannot do it, do you really expect Christians to receive special treatment in regards to this.

Does Islam ban Muslims from prosyletizing to non-Muslims?

Not so much an actual ban but by limitations in what can be done to promote it.

1,We can not blindly preach, but we can openly correct errors and misunderstandings people have about Islam.

A paradox here. The Hate sites and anti-Islamic media have opened a door for us to speak about Islam. Perhaps we should thank the Muslim haters as they have provided a justification to tell non-Muslims about Islam

2. We are not to give or even let a person touch the Qur'an unless we are certain they know how to give it proper respect. (Translations are not considered to be Qur'ans)

We can not leave Qur'ans on doorsteps, in laundromats, etc.

Again we should thank those who hate Muslims as they have given us reason to use the internet media to dispell misconceptions about the Qur'an. For the first time in History Non-Muslims are seeking to read the Qur'an.

3. We are not to speak of Islam to those that do not desire to listen

We need to thank those who are vehemently anti-Muslim as they have opened the door for questions and brought about curiosity in the minds of non-Muslims.

 

[Crypto]

Not so much an actual ban but by limitations in what can be done to promote it.

1,We can not blindly preach, but we can openly correct errors and misunderstandings people have about Islam.

A paradox here. The Hate sites and anti-Islamic media have opened a door for us to speak about Islam. Perhaps we should thank the Muslim haters as they have provided a justification to tell non-Muslims about Islam

2. We are not to give or even let a person touch the Qur'an unless we are certain they know how to give it proper respect. (Translations are not considered to be Qur'ans)

We can not leave Qur'ans on doorsteps, in laundromats, etc.

Again we should thank those who hate Muslims as they have given us reason to use the internet media to dispell misconceptions about the Qur'an. For the first time in History Non-Muslims are seeking to read the Qur'an.

3. We are not to speak of Islam to those that do not desire to listen

We need to thank those who are vehemently anti-Muslim as they have opened the door for questions and brought about curiosity in the minds of non-Muslims.

Nobody hates you. <staff edit>

 

[WoodrowX2]

Nobody hates you. <staff edit>.

You can always point out where I have lied and take the opportunity to correct me.

As for proselyting, you will find that I have no personal ability to get anyone to accept Islam nor do I have any way to stop a person from accepting Islam if they so desire.

My personal desire is that you never accept Islam.I have absolutely no desire for you to ever be a Muslim.

But I have no say as to who will or will not accept Islam and I am obligated to accept every person who claims to be a Muslim as being a Muslim.

There is no human or organization that will gain if you accept Islam. There is no central group you join, there is no obligation to join a Mosque. Few if any Muslims join a Mosque. We don't even have any ceremony or ritual for a person to perform to be a Muslim. they need only say the Shahadah with sincerity and that can be done in private with only God(swt) knowing.

By the same token there is no organization or person that will loose if you never accept Islam. A Muslim does not join anything, does not profess loyalty to any leader and does not pay dues or tithes. No organization or group gains from a person accepting Islam. Islam does not loose if a person does not become a Muslim.

Nobody knows who is a Muslim except the person and Allaah(swt) We can only know who claims to be a Muslim.

 

[Crypto]

You can always point out where I have lied and take the opportunity to correct me.

As for proselyting, you will find that I have no personal ability to get anyone to accept Islam nor do I have any way to stop a person from accepting Islam if they so desire.

My personal desire is that you never accept Islam.I have absolutely no desire for you to ever be a Muslim.

But I have no say as to who will or will not accept Islam and I am obligated to accept every person who claims to be a Muslim as being a Muslim.

There is no human or organization that will gain if you accept Islam. There is no central group you join, there is no obligation to join a Mosque. Few if any Muslims join a Mosque. We don't even have any ceremony or ritual for a person to perform to be a Muslim. they need only say the Shahadah with sincerity and that can be done in private with only God(swt) knowing.

By the same token there is no organization or person that will loose if you never accept Islam. A Muslim does not join anything, does not profess loyalty to any leader and does not pay dues or tithes. No organization or group gains from a person accepting Islam. Islam does not loose if a person does not become a Muslim.

Nobody knows who is a Muslim except the person and Allaah(swt) We can only know who claims to be a Muslim.

I was referring myself to Islam in general, not to you in particular. Don't worry, I will never become a Muslim. By the way, the objective of Islam is not to gain converts, but to gain control of the society as a whole and to impose Sharia law on everyone. Normally, gaining converts is conducive to this end, but it is not an end in itself. Finally, since you claim to believe that Islam is the only way to God, I must conclude that you want me to end up in hell. LOL. That goes to show how hateful your religion is. I am Christian and although I disagree with you I wish you the very best. I hope you get to know Christ and to live with him for all eternity in heaven. I love you because Christ has died for you, as well as for me. God bless you, man.

 

[WoodrowX2]

I was referring myself to Islam in general, not to you in particular. Don't worry, I will never become a Muslim. By the way, the objective of Islam is not to gain converts, but to gain control of the society as a whole and to impose Sharia law on everyone.. Normally, gaining converts is conducive to this end, but it is not an end in itself.

It seems no different from the Christian desire to convert the world to Christianity.

A bit of a paradox. Sharia can only work if an entire nation were pious Muslims. But if a nation were pious Muslims there would be no need of Sharia.

Sharia is probably the most difficult aspect for a non-Muslim to comprehend. Under actual Sharia there would never be a need for any earthly punishments.

If a Sharia court ever implements a punishment it has failed as a Sharia court.

But there is little concern about any Nation ever implementing Sharia. Most of us do not believe it can be done until Jesus returns and establishes the next and final Caliphate.

Just out of curiosity if the entire world were to become Muslim, who would be the leader? In Islam we have no central Earthly leadership nor any ordained clergy. Islam is all about individual responsibility.

A person does not get rich being an Imam. Often, one needs to be quite wealthy to be able to afford to be an Imam. It can get expensive to build a Mosque.

 

[kenzo0]

It seems no different from the Christian desire to convert the world to Christianity.

yes, admitted or not, all religions share the same desire.

the different is only, Christianity didn't commanded to kill apostasy

A bit of a paradox. Sharia can only work if an entire nation were pious Muslims. But if a nation were pious Muslims there would be no need of Sharia.

you wrong my brother

in Aceh, a city in Indonesia is one example to prof that you're wrong.

Sharia is probably the most difficult aspect for a non-Muslim to comprehend. Under actual Sharia there would never be a need for any earthly punishments.

sorry?
you must be kidding

If a Sharia court ever implements a punishment it has failed as a Sharia court.

oh, my goodness me, it must be dreaming I heard this from a Muslim.

there are so many cases, but this case was catch my eyes the most.
this man(Fayhan al Ghamdi) was freed after raped, tortured, and killed his 5 years old daughter by sharia court after paid blood money.
read

But there is little concern about any Nation ever implementing Sharia. Most of us do not believe it can be done until Jesus returns and establishes the next and final Caliphate.

this point was show that this Jesus was not my Jesus..sorry out of topic

Just out of curiosity if the entire world were to become Muslim, who would be the leader? In Islam we have no central Earthly leadership nor any ordained clergy. Islam is all about individual responsibility.

If you have such question, then I should curious too, have you read the Qiyamah according to Islam?

A person does not get rich being an Imam. Often, one needs to be quite wealthy to be able to afford to be an Imam. It can get expensive to build a Mosque.

:o

 

[WoodrowX2]

yes, admitted or not, all religions share the same desire.

the different is only, Christianity didn't commanded to kill apostasy

what Madhab requires the Killing of an apostate?

you wrong my brother

in Aceh, a city in Indonesia is one example to prof that you're wrong.

I do not see were Aceh has actual Shariah in accordance with a legitimate madhab

sorry?
you must be kidding

The purpose of Sharia is not to punish but to discourage a person from committing a crime.

oh, my goodness me, it must be dreaming I heard this from a Muslim.

there are so many cases, but this case was catch my eyes the most.
this man(Fayhan al Ghamdi) was freed after raped, tortured, and killed his 5 years old daughter by sharia court after paid blood money.
read

Under Shariah Murder is not a Hadd crime. It is a responsibility of Civil law.

this point was show that this Jesus was not my Jesus..sorry out of topic

If that is true. I have sympathy for you and pray that you will find Jesus(as).

If you have such question, then I should curious too, have you read the Qiyamah according to Islam?

If you mean Surat al-Qiyamah. Yes, multiple times. Do you not believe in the Resurrection?


I try to read a Juz every day. In that way I read the entire Qur'an at least once a Month. But outside of reading I d try to do an intense study of at least one Surah each month.

:o

I had to close my Masjid as I could no longer afford to pay the utility bills for it. It cost me very much money to build. In the USA it is difficult to find any one to help with Masjid expenses.

Out of curiosity when you were a Muslimah what Madhab did you follow?

 

[Crypto]

It seems no different from the Christian desire to convert the world to Christianity.

Christians don't want to convert the world to Christianity. Christians want everyone to hear the gospel, that's all. We are heralds, not conquerors.