What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[Elder 111]

You have idols in your living room. I wouldn't be proud of that.

God is not proud of an idol Sabbath either. He chose a day that He called His holy day. That He blessed and sanctified. Should we then be proud of doing otherwise?
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.

 

[Elder 111]

Its kinda after the fact but maybe he should take a pointer from the Bible.

And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.

It is good to know that I can sound like one of them just by using the bible alone. It shows where the truth is.

 

[Elder 111]

I know, just as I always knew from the very first time I laid eyes on the Ten Commandments, that they are forever binding rudiments of Godliness that, in following God, you do not break them.

They are the building blocks of ALL GODLY MORALS.
That's all you need to understand.

People deny them, saying we don't need to follow them, because they are so hell bent on a notion that you cannot lose your salvation, and these basic rudiments just fly out the window for them, thinking instead Hell is for the 'unbeliever' rather then the 'actual wicked'.

The truth they do not want. Deception has gripped them.

 

[Elder 111]

Perhaps I shouldn't say anything about this comment. So I'm gonna let wisdom prevail.But haven't you read the many posts quoting Heb 7:12?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

If the law hasn't changed Jesus is a sinner and there's no such thing as salvation because Jesus (God) has usurped the priesthood. contrary to the law. Do you understand the repercussions of such? Jots and tittles of the law have changed so all thing must have been fulfilled concerning Jesus just like He said in LK 24:44.

Jesus said Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth has pass already? How can such a great even have taken place and did not make BBC or CNN. Breaking news there is no more heaven or earth. We are now living on Mars. Either Jesus is a liar or you are mistaken. You have missed a very important point. The law of the priesthood is not of the Ten Commandments either.

Why do you apply the regulations of the Sabbath to Sunday when generally no one else in Christendom does?How do you still imply the Ten Commandments are applicable to Christians in light of v 6 same chapter and others such as Gal 4:30 where we're told to throw out the law.

Because you told me a Christian still need to observe the Ten Commandments. He should not steal, lie or commit adultery, and we both know that that all make up the Ten Commandments of which the Sabbath is part there of. Holy blessed and sanctified it is, given by the God we love.

 

[from scratch]

It is good to know that I can sound like one of them just by using the bible alone. It shows where the truth is.

You have already established your position that must be considered when reading anything you post. Why you'd deny your goal except to deceive is beyond me. Its clear to me you don't even understand simple words like you in your refusal to include and consider the context of your select passages.

 

[from scratch]

The truth they do not want. Deception has gripped them.

Harken to and apply your own words to yourself.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus said Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth has pass already? How can such a great even have taken place and did not make BBC or CNN. Breaking news there is no more heaven or earth. We are now living on Mars. Either Jesus is a liar or you are mistaken. You have missed a very important point. The law of the priesthood is not of the Ten Commandments either.
Because you told me a Christian still need to observe the Ten Commandments. He should not steal, lie or commit adultery, and we both know that that all make up the Ten Commandments of which the Sabbath is part there of. Holy blessed and sanctified it is, given by the God we love.

Are you ever going to accept the Gospel as it is written?

I've never told you or anyone else to observe the Ten Commandments. Such is a blatant false accusation. It isn't even a misquote. Its true that I said a Christian doesn't practice a lifestyle of sin according to Gal 5.

 

[VictorC]

I am sorry but the rejection is yours.

Repeating a mistake after having it pointed out is bearing false witness. Look at the mistake you repeated:

God said that He would test them to see if He will obey his law or not. He then tested then with the Sabbath Command.

Look at the tense of the verb you used: reaching to a foreign dispensation that has no application to us.
Look at the pronoun you used: addressing a people we didn't share the experience with.
Now, look at what you posted:

The Sabbath is the test. The tree in the mist of the Garden. That person have to decide on.

Look at the tense of the verbs you used: present tense, unsupported by Scripture.
Look at the pronoun you used: outside the scope Scripture used that excluded application to us.

All you did was validate what I wrote before.

There isn't a hint of the sabbath being a test of any sort to God's redeemed possession anywhere in the Bible. You didn't get this from any Biblically literate source. This is further evidence that you're a seventh-day Adventist, who alone made this up.

Every man has been placed on trial, as were Adam and Eve in Eden. As the tree of knowledge was placed in the midst of the garden of Eden, so the Sabbath command is placed in the midst of the decalogue. In regard to the fruit of the tree of knowledge, the restriction was made, “Ye shall not eat of it, ... lest ye die.” Of the Sabbath, God said, Ye shall not defile it, but keep it holy. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” As the tree of knowledge was the test of Adam’s obedience, so the fourth command is the test that God has given to prove the loyalty of all his people. The experience of Adam is to be a warning to us so long as time shall last. It warns us not to receive any assurance from the mouth of men or of angels that will detract one jot or tittle from the sacred law of Jehovah.​

Linking the tree in the garden with the sabbath reveals your true source.
And yet in this same document written by Ellen White opens with this unBiblical claim:

The Sabbath was given to all mankind to commemorate the work of creation.​

We've already seen this isn't true. The sabbath wasn't given to the Gentiles, no one in Barbados has this commandment foreign to them, and it appears nowhere as a commandment given to God's adopted children.

Elder111's reliance is on a false prophet.
Not the Bible.

Bearing false witness as you do in most of your posts shows that you really have no intention to keep the Law that was never given to you in the first place. All you want to do is accuse others of your own rebellion that denies God's redemption, and contrives a jurisdiction of the old covenant -Judaism- over you, because you haven't faith in God's Redeemer Who came in the fulness of God's time. It validates what I wrote in a post you chose to ignore:

It is a 'principle' I have observed many times that those most likely to transgress the covenant from Mount Sinai are those who advocate bringing God's purchased possession back under that which He redeemed us from. It is driven by the spiritual purpose ordained into the Law, designed to drive you to your knees in search of your Redeemer.

Galatians 3
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

God's redeemed children live in the experience after faith in our Redeemer has come.
Those remaining in a condition before faith is given to them remain under the tutelage of the Law, for it hasn't finished with you yet.

Such rebellion against God shows that His Law isn't done with you yet. The problem is that you haven't come into submission to the Law, so its lesson hasn't even started on you. Adventism is a religious paradigm that appeals to the rebellious.

 

[Elder 111]

You have already established your position that must be considered when reading anything you post. Why you'd deny your goal except to deceive is beyond me. Its clear to me you don't even understand simple words like you in your refusal to include and consider the context of your select passages.

Only because my position do not conform to your liking, but it is in harmony with scripture,

 

[Elder 111]

Are you ever going to accept the Gospel as it is written?

I've never told you or anyone else to observe the Ten Commandments. Such is a blatant false accusation. It isn't even a misquote. Its true that I said a Christian doesn't practice a lifestyle of sin according to Gal 5.

So where do you find the same things that you refer to as sin such as adultery idolatry, taking the name of the Lord in vain and coveting? Not the same ten commandments?
Rom. 7 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

 

[Elder 111]

Repeating a mistake after having it pointed out is bearing false witness. Look at the mistake you repeated:

Look at the tense of the verb you used: reaching to a foreign dispensation that has no application to us.
Look at the pronoun you used: addressing a people we didn't share the experience with.
Now, look at what you posted:

Look at the tense of the verbs you used: present tense, unsupported by Scripture.
Look at the pronoun you used: outside the scope Scripture used that excluded application to us.

All you did was validate what I wrote before.


Bearing false witness as you do in most of your posts shows that you really have no intention to keep the Law that was never given to you in the first place. All you want to do is accuse others of your own rebellion that denies God's redemption, and contrives a jurisdiction of the old covenant -Judaism- over you, because you haven't faith in God's Redeemer Who came in the fulness of God's time. It validates what I wrote in a post you chose to ignore:


Such rebellion against God shows that His Law isn't done with you yet. The problem is that you haven't come into submission to the Law, so its lesson hasn't even started on you. Adventism is a religious paradigm that appeals to the rebellious.

I am accused, but I have found no one to confirm that if the Ten commandments are not for us, that it OK for us to freely covet take the name of the Lord in vain or have sex all over the place with the brothers and sisters. Until you can confirmed that from scripture, it is faults to speak to the Ten Commandment not being for us. It is a gross mistake, and evil originating in hell. If not tell me that the unrepentance liar going to heaven.
Rev. 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

This refer only to the Jews in the wilderness?

 

[VictorC]

I am accused, but I have found no one to confirm that if the Ten commandments are not for us, that it OK for us to freely covet take the name of the Lord in vain or have sex all over the place with the brothers and sisters. Until you can confirmed that from scripture, it is faults to speak to the Ten Commandment not being for us. It is a gross mistake, and evil originating in hell. If not tell me that the unrepentance liar going to heaven.
Rev. 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

This refer only to the Jews in the wilderness?

Another diversion?
You made a statement that you can't support, because of reliance on an extra-Biblical source already proven to be false.

 

[Elder 111]

The premise that the Ten Commandments has no Jurisdiction over Christians can not be sustained by Scripture, not even by any logically thinking Christian and certainly not by the directive of the Holy Spirit.
Grace did not replace the law, Faith did not. Jesus affirmed that it will always be. So whither the idea?
The position that I gather here from those who espouse idea, is like being told the speed limit of 60 MPH is not applicable to us but you will be charge if you exceed 60mph. How did we as Christians get ourselves in this position? Can some sanity return to the people of God?

 

[VictorC]

The premise that the Ten Commandments has no Jurisdiction over Christians can not be sustained by Scripture

Sure it can. And it does. And this has been pointed out to you scores of times. Many posts reside in this and previous threads you've simply ignored because you can't align your religious paradigm with what the Bible testifies.

 

[squint]

The premise that the Ten Commandments has no Jurisdiction over Christians can not be sustained by Scripture, not even by any logically thinking Christian and certainly not by the directive of the Holy Spirit.
Grace did not replace the law, Faith did not. Jesus affirmed that it will always be. So whither the idea?
The position that I gather here from those who espouse idea, is like being told the speed limit of 60 MPH is not applicable to us but you will be charge if you exceed 60mph. How did we as Christians get ourselves in this position? Can some sanity return to the people of God?

It has been pointed to repeatedly that the body is dead because of sin. No amount of law keeping is going to change that conclusion.

The LAW stands secure in the determination that 'all' have been concluded to be under sin. That conclusion is not going to change by any amount of law applications.

We bear what we bear in a dead body corrupted by SIN, period. If a man keeps the law, he does so with sin remaining in his flesh regardless, ever seeking to declare itself righteous on a contrived basis.

There is no excuse for any mans sin. It will all be left behind in a corrupted pile of dust when we move on outta here. Hence death for sin. Not 'eternal death' to the children of God who happen to be placed into same presently.

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[from scratch]

I am accused, but I have found no one to confirm that if the Ten commandments are not for us, that it OK for us to freely covet take the name of the Lord in vain or have sex all over the place with the brothers and sisters. Until you can confirmed that from scripture, it is faults to speak to the Ten Commandment not being for us. It is a gross mistake, and evil originating in hell. If not tell me that the unrepentance liar going to heaven.
Rev. 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

This refer only to the Jews in the wilderness?

You're ask someone to say that no obligation to the Ten Commandments, specifically the 4th is giving the right to sin. It has been shown to you that Christians don't promote such a thing with Gal 5. No where does the New Testament show us we're obligated to the law. While it in fact tells us we're now delivered from the law and to throw it out.

 

[from scratch]

The premise that the Ten Commandments has no Jurisdiction over Christians can not be sustained by Scripture, not even by any logically thinking Christian and certainly not by the directive of the Holy Spirit.
Grace did not replace the law, Faith did not. Jesus affirmed that it will always be. So whither the idea?
The position that I gather here from those who espouse idea, is like being told the speed limit of 60 MPH is not applicable to us but you will be charge if you exceed 60mph. How did we as Christians get ourselves in this position? Can some sanity return to the people of God?

You want compliance; not the truth.

 

[from scratch]

Only because my position do not conform to your liking, but it is in harmony with scripture,

Only the part you like and want. Your position for the Christian is contrary to the New Testament.

 

[from scratch]

So where do you find the same things that you refer to as sin such as adultery idolatry, taking the name of the Lord in vain and coveting? Not the same ten commandments?
Rom. 7 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

There are several witnesses in the Old Testament that sin is wrong before the law. You seem to be tell me that one can't know about sin unless they get it from the law. Romans says this simply isn't true.

 

[SwordFall]

There are several witnesses in the Old Testament that sin is wrong before the law. You seem to be tell me that one can't know about sin unless they get it from the law. Romans says this simply isn't true.

The Law was a way of life, not that many got stoned because they all grew up in godly morals.

But they stoned gentiles, and rightfully so- the world was barbaric then. To not kill was to be killed.
A lot of people today do not understand that reality.

God demanded that entire tribes be taken out, down to the infants themselves, so that there would be no act of revenge in the future- somebody raiding your entire establishment for the sake of vengeance.

God has preeminence over life, do not mistake that for a second. He is our Creator, so therefore, He governs who should die and who should live.