No new Mosques?

[smaneck]

It is not a healthy thing for girls to marry young and if Muhammad married and had sexual intercourse with Aisha when she was a kid, he was following a very unsafe and primitive custom that was set centuries before his birth and continued centuries after his death.

Even if we accept those hadiths that ascribe a young age to Aisha, they also insist the marriage wasn't consumated for three years.

 

[smaneck]

While Muslims have illegally stoned Muslims to death I agree there is no evidence Muslims have stoned non-Muslims. I say illegally because no one has ever been stoned in a legal sharia court.

It is certainly nothing which is justified in the Qur'an.

Some stonings in Iraq and Afghanistan attributed to Muslims are done by Yazidi. In Palestine the Druze often use stoning and get identified as being Muslim in India the Sikhs often stone their daughters for marrying Muslims and get identified in the media as being Muslim.

I've seen those. There have been women sentenced to stoning in Nigeria but every time it reaches the High Court the case gets thrown out for want of four eye-witnesses to adultery.

As for in a Sharia court, the proof to justify stoning is impossible to fulfill therefore a sentence of stoning is impossible in an actual sharia court.

Exactly. Who 'does it' before four eyewitnesses?

 

[Masihi]

I know this won't mesh with your narcissism, but you don't represent Allah.

You can determine someone was possessed by a demon on the basis of texts written down hundreds of years after he died?

Yeah, right.

The thing is you can't.



What does a fatwa prove other than the fact there is a some mufti somewhere who is obsessed with sex as you are?

It certainly doesn't prove anything about Muhammad!

Its these kinds of sarcasm that have no place on a forum. How does a Christian respond to attacks like these. I would prefer not to interact with muslims at all.

 

[Crypto]

Regarding Muhammad molesting Aisha when she was a baby, here you have a little pearl: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
I was accompanying the Prophet on a journey and was riding a slow camel that was lagging behind the others… When we approached Medina, I started going (towards my house). The Prophet said, "Where are you going?" I said, "I have married a widow." He said, "Why have you not married a virgin to fondle with each other?" I said, "My father died and left daughters, so I decided to marry a widow (an experienced woman) (to look after them)." He said, "Well done." … (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 38, Number 504)


Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah:
While we were returning from a Ghazwa (Holy Battle) with the Prophet, I started driving my camel fast, as it was a lazy camel A rider came behind me and pricked my camel with a spear he had with him, and then my camel started running as fast as the best camel you may see. Behold! The rider was the Prophet himself. He said, 'What makes you in such a hurry?" I replied, I am newly married " He said, "Did you marry a virgin or a matron? I replied, "A matron." He said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you may play with her and she with you?" When we were about to enter (Medina), the Prophet said, "Wait so that you may enter (Medina) at night so that the lady of unkempt hair may comb her hair and the one whose husband has been absent may shave her pubic region. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 16)


Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron." He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins AND FOR FONDLING THEM?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17)

Where do these hadiths state that Aisha was a baby? Muhammad may have married her when she was young, like many others did back then.


The age of consent in Europe during the Middle Ages was 12-25 years of old. Was Europe a continent of pedophiles?

In Ancient Rome, it was very common for girls to marry and have children shortly after the onset of puberty. Roman law required brides to be at least 12 years old. In Roman law, first marriages to brides aged 12–25 required the consent of the bride and her father, but by the late antique period Roman law permitted women over 25 to marry without parental consent.[3] The Catholic canon law followed the Roman law. In the 12th century, the Catholic Church drastically changed legal standards for marital consent by allowing daughters over 12 and sons over 14 to marry without their parents' approval, even if their marriage was made clandestinely.[4] Parish studies have confirmed that late medieval women did sometimes marry against their parents' approval.[5] The Catholic Church's policy of considering clandestine marriages and marriages made without parental consent to be valid was controversial, and in the 16th century both the French monarchy and the Lutheran church sought to end these practices, with limited success.[6]

Marriageable age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It is not a healthy thing for girls to marry young and if Muhammad married and had sexual intercourse with Aisha when she was a kid, he was following a very unsafe and primitive custom that was set centuries before his birth and continued centuries after his death.

However, having said this, I am waiting for evidence from you that Muhammad molested Aisha when she was a baby.

The hadiths you cited say no such thing.

I am sure you must have evidence that shows that Muhammad molested her when she was a baby. Please show it.

Until you do so, I will continue stating that you have lied.


How do my posts "facilitate" the persecution of non-Muslims? Have you read most of what I have written regarding Islam on this forum? Find posts I have started where I have examined and showed Quranic verses and hadiths that contain mistakes, and then come back and tell me I "believe in a false image of Islam".

Ah, OK. That was a typo. I meant to say that Muhammad fondled Aisha since she was six. I was thinking about what the fatwa of the Shia says about fondling babies and I introduced the words wrongly. I admit my mistake.

Now, regarding the accepted age for marriage, Aristotle, who, as you know, lived approx. one thousand years before Muhammad, said that women should marry at age 18. Roman law, which is also much older than Islam, sets the age at a minimum of 12. Although 12 years of age is indeed a very young age, there is still a huge difference between 12 and 9 years of age. At 9 years of age women are nothing but children. Both ages are low, but the latter is an extraordinarily low age, even for Neanderthal standards. By the way, you are missing an important point: the historical context doesn't matter when it comes to the behavior of Muhammad, since he claimed to be the perfect example of a Muslim, for all eternity. It is written in the Qur'an. So, according to the Islamic community, having sex with a nine-year-old girl is perfectly acceptable, since their eternal moral standard, Muhammad, has done it. Aisha suffered a lot because of Muhammad. He robbed her of her childhood and she herself had admitted that she was afraid of him. Lots of children today are suffering the same destiny because of Islam.

When I said that people like you facilitate the crimes of Islam, I didn't know that I had committed that typo regarding the age of Aisha. I thought you were talking about my points in general. I apologize.

 

[smaneck]

Its these kinds of sarcasm that have no place on a forum.

I am responding to someone who has posted the most vile, disgusting things in this thread. Twice I asked the moderator to step in. When that didn't happen I resorted to sarcasm, rather mild in the face of his disgusting provocations.

How does a Christian respond to attacks like these.

How does someone call themselves a Christian and behave this way?

I would prefer not to interact with muslims at all.

I'm sure they would be grateful if you didn't.

 

[Crypto]

Its these kinds of sarcasm that have no place on a forum. How does a Christian respond to attacks like these. I would prefer not to interact with muslims at all.

Don't worry, bro. I feel no rancor. I wish she could know the real Jesus, who is pure love and the only way. The Jesus of Islam is a false Jesus, but they don't know it.

 

[WoodrowX2]

It is certainly nothing which is justified in the Qur'an.

You are correct. Stoning is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

 

[smaneck]

I was thinking about what the fatwa of the Shia says about fondling babies

There is no such Shia Fatwa. You produced some nonsense from a so-called Mufti. Shi'ites don't have muftis. There was another vid from someone making unsubstantiated accusations against Khomeini. In my book, Khomeini is right up there next to Adolf Hitler but I have no reason to believe he did this.

 

[kenzo0]

Of course He didn't. And Islam and Christianity are sister religions. We still have similar theology.

we didn't have similar theology, at all.

Jesus in Islam was not Jesus in Christianity, Jesus(as) was not Jesus Christ

 

[Crypto]

I am responding to someone who has posted the most vile, disgusting things in this thread. Twice I asked the moderator to step in. When that didn't happen I resorted to sarcasm, rather mild in the face of his disgusting provocations.



How does someone call themselves a Christian and behave this way?



I'm sure they would be grateful if you didn't.

Those vile and disgusting things that I have posted are the Islamic sacred texts. The Qur'an and the hadith. These texts talk about the abuse of minors and the behavior of Muhammad, who was driven mostly by his sexual desires and his need for power. The story of Muhammad is a story of murder, rape, and torture. How could I speak of Islam without mentioning these things?

The truth is that you want to censor me because I am exposing the truth about Islam and I am exposing the truth about your prophet. If I were in your hands, you'd had killed me by now. I know that because this is the way in which you people behave all over the world. However, I need to expose the truth about your religion because a lot of people will fall victim of it if people like me remain silent. You are also a human being who deserves better. I wish you could get to know Jesus. If you ever do, you'd understand how wrong you are at the moment.

 

[Crypto]

You are correct. Stoning is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

You should go and tell this to the Muslim world. It seems they have got it all wrong.

 

[Crypto]

You don't think married adult couples fondle each other sometimes instead of having sex? Are you married? Have you heard of Natural Family Planning?

That's not the Islamic idea of fondling. There is no such a thing as natural family planning in Islam.

 

[kenzo0]

Wrong. As I've already pointed out Shi'ites don't. And they don't consider anything from Aisha or al-Bukhari to be credible. Yet you continue to go on and on about from those sources as long as they feed your sexual fantasies and obsessions.

I don't think "the fantasies" you're referring to was told by Aisha only, there were another narrator in the hadith

 

[smaneck]

Those vile and disgusting things that I have posted are the Islamic sacred texts.

Really? What Islamic text associates the black stone with a vagina or the Kaaba with a temple dedicated to Aphrodite or suggests that Muslim pilgrim garb doesn't include underwear so they can appear naked before Aphrodite?

Show me the Islamic texts for this if you speak the truth!

It was those posts which showed me what a pervert you are.

 

[smaneck]

There is no such a thing as natural family planning in Islam.

LOL. Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. According to the shariah early withdrawal is considered a 'neutral' act.

 

[smaneck]

You should go and tell this to the Muslim world. It seems they have got it all wrong.

Some of them think this is surah the goat ate.

 

[Crypto]

Really? What Islamic text associates the black stone with a vagina or the Kaaba with a temple dedicated to Aphrodite or suggests that Muslim pilgrim garb doesn't include underwear so they can appear naked before Aphrodite?

Show me the Islamic texts for this if you speak the truth!

The black stone was used as a pagan worship item before Islam. It is still worshiped today be millions of Muslims, who kiss it (or fight among each other to try to kiss it). Allat is the goddess to which this stone used to belong to:

Allat was one of the 100 gods within or without the Kaaba at Mecca that were destroyed by Mohammed in order to get the various tribes to focus on his one god, Allah. But "Allat" and "Allah" sound much alike, and this is not surprising, For they are not names at all, but titles or honorific terms of address, like Mistress or Mrs. and Master or Mr. - the one being the feminine form for "the goddess," the other the masculine equivalent for "the god." Moreover, in his Koran Mohammed had written some curious, some would say outrageous, verses extolling three female goddesses:

"Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzzá

and Manāt, the third, the other?

These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for."

Mohammed supposedly wrote those so-called "Satanic Verses" to win back refugees from Mecca who had fled to Abyssinia to escape slaughter by Mohammed and his men. But Islamic scholars say Mohammed later disavowed those lines. claiming Satan had tempted him to abandon monotheism until the Angel Gabriel set him straight again.

Be that as it may, those three goddesses, Allat, Al-Uzza. and Manat, survived outside Islam, and have been adopted and adored by modern feminists.
At least one of them has claimed, on one of the colorful internet sites devoted to those goddesses, that that the sacred betyl, the black stone that is so revered on the outside of the Kaaba, is actually Allat! And isn't that silver frame that has been built to enhance and protect it equally suggestive?

From the Kaaba in Mecca back to Allat's entry into Palmyra

This black stone is a "Yoni" (another name for vagina). Worshiping yoni items was very popular in Asia, since they represented fertility.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Perhaps the best-known Black Stone, and now by far the most revered, is the Ka'bah at Mecca. Ka'bah means 'cube' and this describes the shape of the black stone structure on a marble base which stands in the centre court of the Great Mosque, Masjidul Haram, at the centre of Mecca. It stands about 50 feet high by about 35 feet wide. Set into the eastern corner is the sacred stone, covered by an elaborately embroidered black drape. As any non-moslem in the temple would be slain on sight, and photography is generally prohibited, this stone is shrouded is mystery. However, Rufus Camphausen has succeeded in tracking down three accounts of the pilgrimage to Mecca, two of which do contain photographs [1-3]. What these reveal is a polished black stone of which less than two feet is visible, set in a large, solid silver mount. The whole resembles - quite deliberately, for reasons which will emerge - the vulva of the goddess. That moslems now refer to it as the Hand of Allah does not diminish the urge for all those who complete the pilgrimage to Mecca to touch or kiss this sacred object. [/FONT]

At the Edge archive: Black stone - Omphalos of the goddess

 

[kenzo0]

Ah, OK. That was a typo. I meant to say that Muhammad fondled Aisha since she was six. I was thinking about what the fatwa of the Shia says about fondling babies and I introduced the words wrongly. I admit my mistake.

Now, regarding the accepted age for marriage, Aristotle, who, as you know, lived approx. one thousand years before Muhammad, said that women should marry at age 18. Roman law, which is also much older than Islam, sets the age at a minimum of 12. Although 12 years of age is indeed a very young age, there is still a huge difference between 12 and 9 years of age. At 9 years of age women are nothing but children. Both ages are low, but the latter is an extraordinarily low age, even for Neanderthal standards. By the way, you are missing an important point: the historical context doesn't matter when it comes to the behavior of Muhammad, since he claimed to be the perfect example of a Muslim, for all eternity. It is written in the Qur'an. So, according to the Islamic community, having sex with a nine-year-old girl is perfectly acceptable, since their eternal moral standard, Muhammad, has done it. Aisha suffered a lot because of Muhammad. He robbed her of her childhood and she herself had admitted that she was afraid of him. Lots of children today are suffering the same destiny because of Islam.

When I said that people like you facilitate the crimes of Islam, I didn't know that I had committed that typo regarding the age of Aisha. I thought you were talking about my points in general. I apologize.

great, Crypto

 

[Crypto]

great, Crypto

Thanks, sister.

 

[kenzo0]

Some of them think this is surah the goat ate.

I'm surprised you mentioned it, Smaneck.
so, partly you aware that the holy scripture of Islam was not original as Muslims always claimed..