Count the number

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

6 is the number given to man and beast.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


So, man and beast, or serpent are created on the 6th day. Satan comes in the form of a serpent.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(I mean really Eve, really..) I give women a hard time over this lol..


The number of the beast is 666.

6=Man (we know hes a man)
6=Serpent/Beast (we know he has the antichrist spirit)
6=?

That last one gets me..

Since this man is going to be the opposite of Christ, in sort of an "unholy trinity" then what are we missing?

7=God the Father
7=Son
7=Holy Spirit

6=God on earth (man)
6=Beast (born of AC spirit)
6=False Messiah? About all I can come up with..

This man will come to save the world as Christ, he will be a man, possessed by AC spirit.. Claiming to be God.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[Interplanner]

Did you know the 2 Cor 4 passage was about the Judaizers of Paul's time, the "impostors", the "super-apostles" of chs 10-12? They kept imposing the old covenant which forced the conflict with Rome. It is a good reason to think that the person leading the 'rebellion that desolates' (Dan 8) was one of them.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The man commonly called the Antichrist is the individual "man of sin" (2 Thessalonians 2:3) who will sit in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). He's the individual "man" aspect of the "beast" who will come (Revelation 13:18)

The man of sin is that firstborn nature working in the children of that Wicked, which also works in many. This is also confirmed by scripture.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

Note, in them, they, them, they all is speaking about more than one man.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

When you understand it is the spirit of antichrist that works in many, and that the man of sin is the spiritual nature of "that Wicked" also working in many, then you'll begin to understand how this sinful nature working in the firstborn man is being revealed in all of mankind. (many antichrists 1 John 2:18) Keep in mind sin is the seed the serpent planted into man.

Let's take look at this "mystery of iniquity" "man of sin" and son that is fixing to go into destruction (son of perdition).

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In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 we are told before the coming of the Lord there is to first come a falling away, and that man of sin shall be revealed. I believe this falling away pertains to a falling away from the faith, and also a certain point in time which pertains to the fullness of the Gentiles. But who is the man of sin? If we go back to Genesis 1:27 we see in the beginning God created man in his own image. We know by scripture that God is Spirit, and that He is the invisible God. So we know, and understand by this that God was not talking about an outward visible image, but rather an inward spiritual image.

Jesus told us to be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. So by this we see, in the beginning man was created in the image of a perfect God. With that let us go to Ezekiel 28:15 where the Lord is speaking to the evil one himself. The Lord said; "Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee. So who is the Lord talking to in this manner?

If you go back to verse 13 we see this man was in the Garden of Eden. Now some might think this is referring to Satan, but if you go back to Ezekiel 28:2 we see the Lord refers to him as a man. (Adam is man in Hebrew, aka mankind) The Lord tells this man, because his heart is lifted up, he has said I am a god, I sit in the seat of God. Meaning because of man’s pride he has lifted up himself in his own heart against the Word, and knowledge of God; and has put his own ideas over and above God’s Word. And this is just what the serpent told the man in the beginning; that he would be like God if he ate from the tree of knowledge.

This sitting in the seat of God means he has put himself in the place of God. And if we go back to 2 Thessalonians 2:4 we see this man of sin would exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. So what is the temple of God? In 1 Corithians 3:16 we see that we are the temple of God. And we see in 1 Corinthians 6:19 that our body is to be the Temple of the Holy Spirit, which is made for God to dwell in.

Also in 2 Corinthians 6:16 we see the Lord said he would dwell in this temple of our body. But we are also told in 1 Corinthians 3:17 that if any man defiles this Temple, him shall God destroy. This is the son of perdition, or son that goes into destruction. So in the beginning God gave us this Temple, or Body, so that He might dwell in all his children. But the fleshy nature of man gave in to sin, and decided he knew better than God; and so then the iniquity entered into man (man of sin), and man set himself up in the place of God.

We know by Romans 5:12 that by this first man Adam sin entered in, and by this sin came death; and this first sinful nature was passed on to all men. So we see the first state of man is to born to the flesh, that is to say he is carnally minded. It is written; to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Jesus said; that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. Showing how the first spiritual nature of man is flesh, and is carnally minded; but the born again man is made spiritually minded by way of God's Holy Spirit.

In Genesis 6:3 the Lord said; my Spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh. It is this fleshy spirit that rules in the firstborn man. For in Galations 5:17 we see the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. So the Lord showed us in the story Noah and the flood, and the story of the Exodus from Egypt, how all the firstborn, and all those who are born of the flesh must die.

That is also why Jesus said; flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God. And that is also why he said that except a man be born again of the Spirit, he shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. The Lord showed over and over in scripture how the first-born fleshy state of man would not be accepted of God. Just as with the firstborn Esau, who sold out his birthright over some red pottage to feed his own fleshy desire. And just as with Judas, who was a sign of that son of perdition, who would also sell out the Word of God made flesh in Jesus for his own personal gain.

So we see in all these examples the Lord has given us in scripture how all those who are still living in the flesh, which is the spirit of this world, or that Wicked; shall also perish.

For instead of accepting the knowledge that only comes from God by faith in his Word, they have gone about to set up themselves through their own carnal way of thinking. And the man-made fleshy church, which has gone and played the harlot with the ways of the world is no different. In Mark 7:13 Jesus told those hypocrites of his day; " You have made the word of God of none effect through your traditions."

Truly man has sold out the Truth over profits, and personal gain, and has even changed the Truth in order to justify himself in his own eyes. Truly they have turned the Fathers House into a den of thieves.

All those who are not anointed with the oil of the Holy Spirit, and are not washed in the blood of the Lamb of God, will go into destruction.

Romans 8:13; " For if you live after the flesh you shall die: but if through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Take notice of how Jesus uses the words a man (G444) in this parable refering to a whole wicked generation.

Matthew 12:43-45 King James Version (KJV)

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man,(G444) he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Again, as I showed earlier in that verse in Rev. 13:18 this translation of a man (G444) can, and is used to refer to many, such as a whole "wicked generation" who are of "that Wicked" spirit, even of their father the Devil.


Rev 13:18 Here G5602 is G2076 wisdom. G4678 Let him that hath G2192 understanding G3563 count G5585 the number G706 of the beast: G2342 for G1063 it is G2076 the number G706 of a man; G444 and G2532 his G846 number G706 is Six hundred threescore and six. G551

Same word is used here to describe the man (G444) of sin...

Let G1818 G0 no G3361man G5100 deceive G1818 you G5209 by G2596 any G3367 means: G5158 for G3754that day shall not come, except G3362 there come G2064 a falling away G646 first, G4412 and G2532 that man G444of sin G266 be revealed, G601 the son G5207of perdition; G684

The greek word is also translated as "mankind"

444 ánthrōpos – man, also the generic term for "mankind"; the human race; people, including women and men

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Also "that Wicked" is not a single man, but rather the spirit of the prince of this world which works in many. (wicked generation)
2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

He has been around since sin had entered into man....

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Those who are not of Christ's seed, are of the serpents seed, and are of "that wicked"... (or their father the Devil)

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Jesus said the last state of man would be worse than the first when referring to that wicked and adulterous generation. (many)

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The battle is not against "a single man" people, but against spiritual wickedness working in all of mankind.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Also "that Wicked" is not a single man, but rather the spirit of the prince of this world which works in many. (wicked generation)
2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

He has been around since sin had entered into man....

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Those who are not of Christ's seed, are of the serpents seed, and are of "that wicked"... (or their father the Devil)

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Jesus said the last state of man would be worse than the first when referring to that wicked and adulterous generation. (many)

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

So essentially as we understand AC to be a "spirit" would say that whether or not the AC regime has a central figure (one man) is not relevant.

Say its spirit is split between the 10 kings??? Who appoint a false figure to act as "savior" but is controlled from behind the scenes? And all who show allegiance are of that spirit..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The battle is not against "a single man" people, but against spiritual wickedness working in all of mankind.

Amen..

 

[ebedmelech]

I accept the beast as Nero Caesar as the Gematria of the day indicates it was him.

Link:
The Mark Of The Beast

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So essentially as we understand AC to be a "spirit" would say that whether or not the AC regime has a central figure (one man) is not relevant.

Say its spirit is split between the 10 kings???

The antichrist spirit is the same spirit of the prince of this world (that Wicked, serpent, devil, Satan, Red Dragon, etc.) which was prophesied to come in Daniel, and had his coming declared by Jesus, and was also confirmed by the apostles as already in the world during their ministry. (all this can be confirmed by scripture)

And yes, that same spirit gives power to the kings of the world, and the beastly kingdoms they have reigned in.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

It is the spirit of antichrist which gives them their power, seat, authority.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

The antichrist spirit is the same spirit of the prince of this world (that Wicked, serpent, devil, Satan, Red Dragon, etc.) which was prophesied to come in Daniel, and had his coming declared by Jesus, and was also confirmed by the apostles as already in the world during their ministry. (all this can be confirmed by scripture)

And yes, that same spirit gives power to the kings of the world, and the beastly kingdoms they have reigned in.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

It is the spirit of antichrist which gives them their power, seat, authority.

Ok, we are on the same page, Im with you on this..

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I accept the beast as Nero Caesar as the Gematria of the day indicates it was him.

Here's a good article bout the Nero theory...


Was Nero really alive at the time John wrote it? And does the name Nero Ceasar really add up to 666 without changing, and or transliterating the name in order to make it fit this theory?

"It is well documented that Nero had John banished to the Island of Patmos, it is also well documented that Nero had been dead almost 20 years before John wrote the book of Revelation. Titus Caeser was in power when John wrote the book of Revelation. The book of Revelation obviously is a prophetic book, so it is impossible for a dead Nero to have been the Antichrist. Nero had been dead for almost for 20 years before John wrote the book of Revelation. Not to mention Nero never enforced the mark of the beast in his lifetime as required by Revelation 13. This is a mandatory point of prophecy and scripture to prove the Antichrist, something Nero never did. Nero was not the Antichrist
Where the error of the Nero calculation came from.

The 666 calculation error of Nero's name was based on the Caesar Neron spelling of the name

Nero was the Roman Emperor who persecuted the Christians. Some say he was the person whom John was referring to in Revelation. I don't recall anything in the history books about him enforcing a mark of the beast.

The actual Greek rending of this name doesn’t even come close to 666. If we use Hebrew then it depends on how we spell out his name. This is the correct way to spell Caesar Neron as written in Greek.

(Greek Gematria)

Caesar Neron

342 + 1015 = 1357

Here is the Hebrew spelling of the name:

(Hebrew Gematria)

Caesar Nero 370 + 256 = 626

Some use an alternate spelling of his Name/Title such as This will obviously adjust the values there. There are Final Letters such as Nun, Mem, Tzadik, Peh, and Caph. Some choose to use the Sofit values of those letters and others don't. Early Hebrew didn't have final letters as this is more modern Hebrew dating back to about the 2nd century CE. One missed detail with the Nero scenario is the timing of his rule with the authorship of Revelation by John. Nero ruled Rome from 54-68 A.D.

666 calculation (Argument 2) concerning Nero,

If the Greek spelling of Nero Caesar (Neron Kaisar) is transliterated into Hebrew (nrwn qsr), the numerical equivalent is 666.

My response: If you're going to transliterate Nero's name from the Greek and then transliterate that again back to hebrew based on the Greek rendering rather than the original Hebrew spelling then you have nothing but gematria manipulation of multiple languages to make it work for one name. This is nothing more than trying to force a total based on unscholarly manipulation in order to support a false doctrine of replacement theology. In other words it is complete twisting of the scriptures and the original Hebrew and Greek texts and gematria for the correct spelling of Nero name in either language."

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Here's a good article bout the Nero theory...


Was Nero really alive at the time John wrote it? And does the name Nero Ceasar really add up to 666 without changing, and or transliterating the name in order to make it fit this theory?

"It is well documented that Nero had John banished to the Island of Patmos, it is also well documented that Nero had been dead almost 20 years before John wrote the book of Revelation. Titus Caeser was in power when John wrote the book of Revelation. The book of Revelation obviously is a prophetic book, so it is impossible for a dead Nero to have been the Antichrist. Nero had been dead for almost for 20 years before John wrote the book of Revelation. Not to mention Nero never enforced the mark of the beast in his lifetime as required by Revelation 13. This is a mandatory point of prophecy and scripture to prove the Antichrist, something Nero never did. Nero was not the Antichrist
Where the error of the Nero calculation came from.

The 666 calculation error of Nero's name was based on the Caesar Neron spelling of the name

Nero was the Roman Emperor who persecuted the Christians. Some say he was the person whom John was referring to in Revelation. I don't recall anything in the history books about him enforcing a mark of the beast.

The actual Greek rending of this name doesn’t even come close to 666. If we use Hebrew then it depends on how we spell out his name. This is the correct way to spell Caesar Neron as written in Greek.

(Greek Gematria)

Caesar Neron

342 + 1015 = 1357

Here is the Hebrew spelling of the name:

(Hebrew Gematria)

Caesar Nero 370 + 256 = 626

Some use an alternate spelling of his Name/Title such as This will obviously adjust the values there. There are Final Letters such as Nun, Mem, Tzadik, Peh, and Caph. Some choose to use the Sofit values of those letters and others don't. Early Hebrew didn't have final letters as this is more modern Hebrew dating back to about the 2nd century CE. One missed detail with the Nero scenario is the timing of his rule with the authorship of Revelation by John. Nero ruled Rome from 54-68 A.D.

666 calculation (Argument 2) concerning Nero,

If the Greek spelling of Nero Caesar (Neron Kaisar) is transliterated into Hebrew (nrwn qsr), the numerical equivalent is 666.

My response: If you're going to transliterate Nero's name from the Greek and then transliterate that again back to hebrew based on the Greek rendering rather than the original Hebrew spelling then you have nothing but gematria manipulation of multiple languages to make it work for one name. This is nothing more than trying to force a total based on unscholarly manipulation in order to support a false doctrine of replacement theology. In other words it is complete twisting of the scriptures and the original Hebrew and Greek texts and gematria for the correct spelling of Nero name in either language."

Interesting.. Great post..

 

[Bible2]

ebedmelech said in post 30:

I accept the beast as Nero Caesar as the Gematria of the day indicates it was him.

Any mistaken teaching which claims that the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in the future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking that he isn't the Antichrist.

Nero didn't fulfill the detailed references to the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) in Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 16:2-16, Revelation 19:19-21, and Revelation 20:4. Also, Nero didn't fulfill other prophecies regarding the Antichrist (e.g. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9, Daniel 11:31,36; cf. Matthew 24:15). And John the apostle didn't see the vision of Revelation until decades after the time of Nero. For Irenaeus (born c. 140 AD) said: "We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him [John] who beheld the apocalyptic vision [Revelation]. For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign" (Against Heresies 5:30:3c). The end of Domitian's reign was 96 AD. Nero's reign was 54-68 AD. The detailed prophecies regarding the Antichrist, just as the rest of the tribulation prophecies of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, have never been fulfilled.

Regarding the claim (made by some) that Nero's name in Hebrew added up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18), is there an ancient historical source which shows how "Nero Caesar" was usually transliterated into Hebrew at the time that Revelation was written, so we can confirm whether or not the usual Hebrew transliteration of "Nero Caesar" added up to 666 in Hebrew gematria, instead of an intentionally-altered Hebrew spelling? For example, why was an "n" added after "Nero", to make "Neron"; and why was the "ae" of "Caesar" skipped to make "Csar", when, for example, the "ae" in "Israel" gets at least an "aleph" in Hebrew? Could "Neron Csar" in fact be an intentionally-altered, never-actually-used spelling that adds up to 666, just as people today could intentionally mistransliterate into Hebrew the name of someone living today so that the mistransliterated name adds up to 666 in Hebrew gematria? Also, just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. So even if it could be proven that the usual Hebrew spelling of "Nero Caesar" added up to 666, or that the usual spelling of the name of someone living today adds up to 666, this doesn't require that that person is the Antichrist.

Also, should we even assume that the Antichrist's name has to be transliterated into Hebrew for it to add up to 666? For Revelation was originally addressed to Greek-speaking Gentile churches in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) (what's now western Turkey), not to Hebrew-speaking Jewish churches in Judaea. And John the apostle used 3 letters from the Greek alphabet to express the number 666 in Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus), not any letters from the Hebrew alphabet. (But this doesn't require that the Antichrist's name has to be transliterated into Greek in order for it to add up to 666, for John used the Greek alphabet only because it was the most common one used by the believers he was addressing at the time that Revelation was written.) Also, even when "Nero Caesar" (instead of "Neron Csar") is transliterated into Hebrew, it doesn't have to result in the name adding up to 666:

N - Nun = 50 (cf. the "Ne" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3: Nun for the "N" and nothing for the "e")
E /
R - Reysh = 200
O - Vav = 6 (cf. the "o" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3 being the letter Vav)

C - Qowph = 100 (cf. "Kareah" in the Hebrew of Jer. 40:8, & "Caesar" being "Kaisar" in the Greek of Mt. 22:17)
A - Aleph = 1 (cf. the "ae" in "Israel" in the Hebrew of Gen. 32:28: Aleph for the "a" and nothing for the "e")
E /
S - Samek = 60 (cf. the "sar" in "Ellasar" in the Hebrew of Gen. 14:1: Samek for the "s" & nothing for the "a")
A /
R - Reysh = 200

Total = 617

 

[Bible2]

InSpiritInTruth said in post 31:

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:2b refers to when Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9) will give the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) Satan's own earthly throne (seat) and power, so that the Antichrist will have power over all the nations of the earth (Revelation 13:7). This is what Satan offered Jesus, if he would worship Satan (Luke 4:5-7). In the first century AD, Satan's earthly throne was in the city of Pergamum (in what's now Turkey) (Revelation 2:12-13). Satan's earthly throne could be the Great Altar of Pergamum, also called the Pergamon Altar, which in ancient times was sometimes included as one of the 7 wonders of the world.

It may not be just a coincidence that shortly after the Pergamon Altar was moved to Berlin around 1900 AD, both World Wars were started from Berlin, or that "the Nazi-era architect Albert Speer used the Pergamon Altar as the model for the Zeppelintribüne, 1934-37. The Führer's pulpit was in the center of the tribune" (Pergamon Altar - Wikipedia) (quote has been deleted for some reason). When the Antichrist is given power over the whole earth (Revelation 13:7), his throne could be located in the center of the actual Pergamon Altar, which he could move from Berlin to a main temple to himself (and to Lucifer/Satan) in the literal, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq). For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

InSpiritInTruth said in post 31:

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The 7 heads of the beast in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent 7 different empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the 2nd coming, when the world is brought into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist, during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For (again) a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system that Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.

 

[ebedmelech]

Any mistaken teaching which claims that the Antichrist has already come and gone could be employed in the future by the real Antichrist to fool some Christians into thinking that he isn't the Antichrist...

Once again...been there with you Bible2...and you keep making the same mistake with the gematria.

N - Nun = 50 (cf. the "Ne" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3: Nun for the "N" and nothing for the "e")
E /
R - Reysh = 200
O - Vav = 6 (cf. the "o" in "Nebo" in the Hebrew of Num. 32:3 being the letter Vav)

C - Qowph = 100 (cf. "Kareah" in the Hebrew of Jer. 40:8, & "Caesar" being "Kaisar" in the Greek of Mt. 22:17)
A - Aleph = 1 (cf. the "ae" in "Israel" in the Hebrew of Gen. 32:28: Aleph for the "a" and nothing for the "e")
E /
S - Samek = 60 (cf. the "sar" in "Ellasar" in the Hebrew of Gen. 14:1: Samek for the "s" & nothing for the "a")
A /
R - Reysh = 200

Total = 617

Now try it the way it should be done...not as you do it above...but using the HEBREW LETTERS!!!

Like this:
N = 50
R = 200
W = 6
N = 50
Q = 100
S = 60
R = 200

Because that's how it's done!

The Hebrew rendering:

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation 13:2b refers to when Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9) will give the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) Satan's own earthly throne (seat) and power, so that the Antichrist will have power over all the nations of the earth (Revelation 13:7). This is what Satan offered Jesus, if he would worship Satan (Luke 4:5-7). In the first century AD, Satan's earthly throne was in the city of Pergamum (in what's now Turkey) (Revelation 2:12-13). Satan's earthly throne could be the Great Altar of Pergamum, also called the Pergamon Altar, which in ancient times was sometimes included as one of the 7 wonders of the world.

It may not be just a coincidence that shortly after the Pergamon Altar was moved to Berlin around 1900 AD, both World Wars were started from Berlin, or that "the Nazi-era architect Albert Speer used the Pergamon Altar as the model for the Zeppelintribüne, 1934-37. The Führer's pulpit was in the center of the tribune" (Pergamon Altar - Wikipedia) (quote has been deleted for some reason). When the Antichrist is given power over the whole earth (Revelation 13:7), his throne could be located in the center of the actual Pergamon Altar, which he could move from Berlin to a main temple to himself (and to Lucifer/Satan) in the literal, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq). For a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.



The 7 heads of the beast in its empire aspect (Revelation 13:1, Revelation 17:3) represent 7 different empires (Revelation 17:9-10): Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and (possibly) Islam. The first 5 had fallen by the time of John the apostle in the first century AD: "five are fallen" (Revelation 17:10, Revelation 1:1b-2). The 6th (Rome) existed at the time of John: "one is" (Revelation 17:10). The 7th (possibly Islam) hadn't come by the time of John: "the other is not yet come" (Revelation 17:10). The empire of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will be a different, still-future, 8th head (Revelation 17:11), which will be a revival of one of the 5 empires that had fallen by the time of John (Revelation 17:8,10,11). It will be a revival of the empire of Babylon. The Antichrist will transform the present-day, rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq) into the capital of his world empire, only to see his city of Babylon ultimately destroyed at Jesus' 2nd coming (Isaiah 13).

Before the 2nd coming, when the world is brought into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) and the Antichrist, during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the Antichrist will build their main temple in the city of Babylon. For (again) a temple to "wickedness" will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zechariah 5:8,11), and the Antichrist is called "that Wicked" (2 Thessalonians 2:8). Also, the dragon has been the god worshipped in the city of Babylon since ancient times.

The Antichrist may claim to be Nebuchadnezzar returned, and so reinstitute the system that Nebuchadnezzar set up whereby everyone had to worship an image or be killed (Daniel 3, Revelation 13:15). The Antichrist may also claim to be, at the same time, the return of Nimrod (the founder of Babylon: Genesis 10:8-10), and Hammurabi, and Asoka, and other famous rulers of the past. For he may claim that he has had many different "past lives" as various "enlightened" rulers.

Besides building a main temple in Babylon, the Antichrist will also sit (at least one time) in a future, 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem, and declare himself God there (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36,31, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). The Antichrist could also sit (at least one time) in other religions' holiest shrines, and declare himself to be God there as well. For example, he could also sit in Islam's Kaaba in Mecca, in the Sikhs' Golden Temple in Amritsar, in Catholicism's St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, etc.

I can see you discern the spiritual symbolism in scripture in a natural way, which many do. You see the antichrist as a single man yet to come, the mark as a literal outward mark, Satans temple as a literal physical place, etc. But that is what the earthy man does, he only knows what he knows naturally.

That is the warning we are given by Jesus, not to judge by appearances (outwardly) because that is what the carnally minded man does.

We are told to compare spiritual things with spiritual, not spiritual things with natural.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The earthly imagery is an opposite reflection of the heavenly, as darkness is the opposite reflection of Light.

So if the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is Spirit, and spiritual Light working in many, why would we think of the Dragon, beast, and false prophet as being nothing more than physically manifest?

No doubt God has a Church, (which is the body of Christ) but can you literally see the building? And can we literally see Christ in us, or literally see the Holy Ghost in us?

So why should we look with our eyes to see the Synagogue of Satan, or the son of that Wicked spirit working in all of mankind?

Jesus came in the name of the Father, He was also the express image of the Father, and He was also sealed (marked) by the Father with the Holy Ghost (as are all His sons).

So to me Satan has deceived the world by causing them to look outwardly for those things, and not inwardly for his mark upon their hearts and minds.

 

[Bible2]

InSpiritInTruth said in post 38:

We are told to compare spiritual things with spiritual, not spiritual things with natural.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The earthly imagery is an opposite reflection of the heavenly, as darkness is the opposite reflection of Light.

1 Corinthians 2:13 doesn't mean that Spirit-inspired prophecy can't refer to physical things, just as, for example, John 6:63b doesn't mean that Jesus' Spiritual words can't refer to physical things. For example, his words in Mark 10:33-34 were fulfilled physically.

Believers need to be careful not to be deceived by the Gnostic/antichrist lie (which is sometimes asserted) that Christ isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7), and that believers won't forever be in the flesh. The Bible shows that Jesus Christ wasn't resurrected as a disembodied spirit, but in his human, flesh and bones body (Luke 24:39, Hebrews 2:17). That's why his tomb is empty (Matthew 28:6), and why he still has the wounds of the crucifixion on his resurrection body (John 20:25-29). And Luke 24:39 didn't stop being true once Jesus ascended into heaven. For he will remain forever the human mediator/high priest of believers (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 7:24-26), in human flesh, just like they're in human flesh (Hebrews 2:17). And when he returns, he will still have the wounds of the crucifixion on his resurrection body (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14).

Gnosticism mistakenly thinks that flesh is evil in itself, and that only that which is pure spirit can be good. But Jesus proves that flesh isn't evil in itself, for he has been made flesh (John 1:1,14, Romans 1:3, Luke 24:39), and remains wholly without sin (Hebrews 4:15). Genesis also proves that flesh isn't evil in itself, but was created by God as something very good (Genesis 1:31). Adam and Eve were flesh, for they were the progenitors of the human race alive today. And they were immortal before they fell into sin, for it was only their falling into sin which made them become mortal (Genesis 2:17). So Adam and Eve started out as immortal flesh. And so the future resurrection or changing of saved people into immortal flesh bodies like Jesus has (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Luke 24:39, Romans 8:23-25) will be God allowing them to partake of the original, immortal-flesh condition of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before their fall into sin.

Also, beware of the more-general Gnostic lie that even the entire physical universe is evil in itself, and that only a purely-spiritual heaven can be good. For this lie is employed by Gnosticism to revile the Creator YHWH God as some sort of evil, tyrant, lesser god, whom Gnosticism says created the physical universe as a foul prison house for the free spirits of humans, whom Gnosticism says by some mistake fell from a purely-spiritual heaven into the physical universe and became trapped in fleshly bodies. No doubt the coming Antichrist will employ this lie as part of his utter reviling of YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). But Genesis shows that our physical world was created by YHWH as something very good (Genesis 1:31).

And the Bible shows that the whole plan of Creation wasn't that humans, who are both flesh and spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:23, Luke 24:39), would become purely-spiritual ghosts and float forever on clouds in a purely-spiritual heaven with God, but that God would become both flesh and spirit like man (John 1:1,14), and that God would ultimately come down out of heaven to live with man on a future, new earth (Revelation 21:1-4), just as God had walked on the earth in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:8). Also, on the new earth, saved humanity will be allowed to eat from the tree of life (Revelation 2:7, Revelation 22:2,14), just as Adam and Eve hadn't been forbidden to eat from it in their unfallen state (Genesis 2:9,16,17). So, with regard to saved people, God will completely undo the effect of the fall of Adam and Eve. Saved people will be able to live in an earthly, physical paradise forever with God (Revelation 2:7), just as Adam and Eve and their descendants might have done had not Adam and Eve fallen into sin.

So beware the Gnostic lie. Beware the Antichrist.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Again, I believe you are confusing the spiritual things with the natural, just as there is a natural understanding for flesh (covering for the body) and then there is the spiritual understanding of the flesh, which speaks to the spiritual nature working in the firstborn man (carnally minded) which also covers the heart and mind from seeing the spiritual.

It's the heart and mind (either flesh, or Spirit) which dictates how one sees and hears scripture. Which is often why Jesus said "those who have ears to hear, let them hear what the Spirit is saying."

Just as the carnally minded man cannot receive the spiritual things of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So our first man nature is flesh (carnally minded) but our born again man (in the image of Christ) is spirit (spiritually minded) and able to see and hear the things the Spirit is saying in scripture.

And of course prophecy will manifest itself physically, but it might not be the way the carnally minded teachers perceive it to be.

And of course the Word of God (Christ) was manifest in the fleshy body of Jesus, but we are to know Him no more after the flesh, nor any man for that matter. (because that would be judging by appearances)

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.