The Big Bang (Hypothesis) vs. Creationism

[bhsmte]

No, as Christians we expect bad things to happen to good people.. Because there are evil people in this world, those who dont have the light of truth in them. We pray against the bad things, but what you view bad in one light may not be viewed as bad in another.

For example, Christians dont fear death, and will happily give their lives just on faith alone.

I have known christians who indeed fear death.

Those without Christ fear death, but realize that confronting their sins isnt worth coming to God over, they might lose something this world has to offer in the form of pleasure, which was never what we were supposed to do.

How do you know this?

The bible teaches that satan is the god of this world, when you appeal to him, he will help you as well..

God doesnt interfere with our happenings, this makes us robots, not sovereign minded beings.

Do you believe God has a plan for everyone and he in fact knows the details of that plan he has for everyone?

He only provides us with insight into the inner workings of our human nature and how to thrive as we were intended to.

Instead, the world financial system is about to collapse, 50 million children in the US have been aborted, and homosexuality is now legal.

How do you think Jesus would have dealt with homosexuals?

God has punished every nation in history for doing this, its coming to us as well..

Please give examples of how you know it was God who punished certain nations. Also, has God blessed any nations and if so, give examples.

We just want to see everyone prepared for the coming storm.

Plenty of storms in life no question.

 

[bhsmte]

How does God give a person free will, they then go on to kill someone, and God gets the blame?

You believe God created humans correct? If so, he created the people with flaws to kill others. If an automobile company builds a car that explodes with rear end collisions, who is to blame, the driver of the car or the company that created the car?

God doesnt regard human death, he knows your spirit directly, he knows when your body dies, you are coming to him..

Everyone is coming to him?

You know that you are afraid to die, but are ignorant in what awaits..

Speak for yourself.

If you deny God, then when the time comes, Christ will deny you, and you will be judged.

Yep, that is what some say.

We all had fair warning.. We thought we could erase duality and "do as thou wilt" but that is not how it goes..

Uh huh.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Uh huh.

You just proposed a self defeating premise.

If God is the car manufacturer, and the person gets in a car accident, the person is to blame, not the car manufacturer.

But lest contrast God with a car manufacturer.

You are pitting human concepts against God.

Gods car would free from defects, but you are free to shop for a car elsewhere if you dont have the money (conviction).

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Plenty of storms in life no question.

A Christian who fears death before God has weak faith.

You have to submit to your creator to gain any benefit he is vehemently trying to get you to receive.

Submission comes with the loss of ego, or satans influence that tells the self that it is god, and can do as it pleases, so long as it feeds the self.

An atheist typically has an IQ that is above normal, I have a 170 ish something best I can remember and knew that in being intellectually superior to 99% of all humans on earth, that I was always right.

No religion, faith, observance of any kind would forfeit my understanding that the world did come from the big bang, and all life evolved from nothing.

Sadly, I was headed down the same road as Nietzsche, slipping into depression and bouts of existentialism that really brought me to a dark place.

God brought me out of that place, and has blessed me beyond words as a result.

You are just having a hard time reconciling something you cant physically touch.

But you also probably accept string theory and alternate dimensions according to science, but you cant touch that either..

You have faith in something, you just dont know what that is.


The answer has been staring at you the entire time, I hope you come to share this understanding as I have..

BTW, Jesus Christ would have told a homosexual to turn from their ways, but that he loves them no matter what.

Homosexuality is a sin, but EVERY Christian sins, and therefore are not fit to condemn a homosexual.

Homosexuals are people, not things, who deserve as much of our Christians love as the adulterer..

 

[bhsmte]

You just proposed a self defeating premise.

If God is the car manufacturer, and the person gets in a car accident, the person is to blame, not the car manufacturer.

What? If someone rear ends you at a red light because they fell asleep at the wheel, that is the fault of the driver of the car that was hit? So, you have no problem with the manufacture of the car which explodes upon rear end collisions?

But lest contrast God with a car manufacturer.

Why not? If God created man, he created the faults in man, so he shouldn't be shocked when those faults come to the surface. Then, he judges them based on the faults he created in them. Makes perfect sense.

You are pitting human concepts against God.

Gods car would free from defects, but you are free to shop for a car elsewhere if you dont have the money (conviction).

And others are free to shop for a faith that doesn't contradict itself or choose not to believe in stories which make no sense.

 

[bhsmte]

A Christian who fears death before God has weak faith.

You have to submit to your creator to gain any benefit he is vehemently trying to get you to receive.

I used to be a christian and did submit to the story, but the story became not believable to me and I couldn't pretend and fool myself any longer. If it works for you, then by all means, do what you have to do.

Submission comes with the loss of ego, or satans influence that tells the self that it is god, and can do as it pleases, so long as it feeds the self.

An atheist typically has an IQ that is above normal, I have a 170 ish something best I can remember and knew that in being intellectually superior to 99% of all humans on earth, that I was always right.

170 is off the charts, congrats.

No religion, faith, observance of any kind would forfeit my understanding that the world did come from the big bang, and all life evolved from nothing.

Your profile indicate you are YEC, has does that reconcile with believing in the big bang and everything came from nothing?

Sadly, I was headed down the same road as Nietzsche, slipping into depression and bouts of existentialism that really brought me to a dark place.

It is not uncommon for troubled people to rely on God. If it helps you, then you should hold onto to it.

God brought me out of that place, and has blessed me beyond words as a result.

Good for you.

You are just having a hard time reconciling something you cant physically touch.

You are in no position to assume my position or thinking, no matter how high your IQ is.

But you also probably accept string theory and alternate dimensions according to science, but you cant touch that either..

The beautiful thing about science, is if they get something wrong, there are scientists more than willing to get it right. Which is why, science is self correcting, because is relies on objective evidence. In that, I trust. You see, science has never had to rely on religion or the bible to do it's work, but religion has had to adapt to objective discoveries of science, which is why most christians accept the theory of evolution.

You have faith in something, you just dont know what that is.

I have faith in being honest with myself and relying on the truth, in the most objective way possible.

The answer has been staring at you the entire time, I hope you come to share this understanding as I have..

The answer was staring at me for the longest time and I found it.

BTW, Jesus Christ would have told a homosexual to turn from their ways, but that he loves them no matter what.

You don't know that, but I understand why you have to say that.

Homosexuality is a sin, but EVERY Christian sins, and therefore are not fit to condemn a homosexual.

Homosexuals are people, not things, who deserve as much of our Christians love as the adulterer..

Yes, indeed.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

And others are free to shop for a faith that doesn't contradict itself or choose not to believe in stories which make no sense.

You are correct.

Its when you start identifying what faiths are accurate that it makes sense.

For example.

Buddhism is a philosophy. He wasnt a god, he was normal human being who died in his 80's.

So if you ever thought Buddhism was a religion, now you know.

Islam was created by one man, so there is no way to know if what he said is accurate because he is the only one. He promoted killing when Jesus said to love your enemies, so he contradicts Christ.

Islam was created 600 years after Christ died, and they stole a great bit of our prophecy.

From a chronological perspective, Islam is bit off of Christianity, its a pagan man made religion.


The Bible can reference history flawlessly as all the Bible was written by MANY different men during world history who all agree on who God is through his direct communication with them.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

Yes, indeed.

The Greatest mystery is that you are using Gods creation to explain that he doesnt exist and you dont even know it.

It doesnt matter if you believe in him or not, you believe in his creation, but he setup his creation so that you cant breach it in order to reach him scientifically, or physically for a reason..

You dont know what you are doing when you do this, the Babylonians tried this too...

80% of the intellectual atheists are alive today..

 

[bhsmte]

The Greatest mystery is that you are using Gods creation to explain that he doesnt exist and you dont even know it.

It doesnt matter if you believe in him or not, you believe in his creation, but he setup his creation so that you cant breach it in order to reach him scientifically, or physically for a reason..

You dont know what you are doing when you do this, the Babylonians tried this too...

80% of the intellectual atheists are alive today..

But I don't believe that a God created anything, so that kind of makes it a moot point doesn't it?

And you never answered my question, how could you have a position of believing in the big bang and the universe was created from nothing and also be a YEC?

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

But I don't believe that a God created anything, so that kind of makes it a moot point doesn't it?

And you never answered my question, how could you have a position of believing in the big bang and the universe was created from nothing and also be a YEC?

I dont believe in the Big bang theory.

I used to.

You have to start your search and review what science and media has been feeding you.

For example, you think that 10 scientists with similar dating results on the age of something are correct because they are getting conclusive results.

But if the dating method is flawed then the results would be unanimous too.

You dont know objectively because you are just very smart and and assume others are smarter and have figured it out, and it works for you because it gives you answers that you can use so that you dont have to face your sin, your ego, and ultimately God.

Why did I believe in the BB once upon a time?

Because I accepted what I was told by flawed human beings..

Remember, if you were alive 40 years ago, you would have understood that the earth was 30 billion years old, as this was the common understanding back then.

Two time periods, then and now, one at 13.7 billion, and one at 30 billion.

This is how science explains things, with theories.


There is no written human history older than 5 thousand years old.

You simply need to disprove sciences RADICAL claims that are designed to pull you from God with fanciful notions, then start learning how to fill that void with God.


You cant know anything without unknowing first, this is philosophy 101..

 

[bhsmte]

I dont believe in the Big bang theory.

I used to.

You have to start your search and review what science and media has been feeding you.

I have and I rely on objective evidence. What do you rely on?

For example, you think that 10 scientists with similar dating results on the age of something are correct because they are getting conclusive results.

But if the dating method is flawed then the results would be unanimous too.

Then submit a paper to science and prove how their dating methods are wrong and show them the evidence. How old to you believe the earth and universe are?

You dont know objectively because you are just very smart and and assume others are smarter and have figured it out, and it works for you because it gives you answers that you can use so that you dont have to face your sin, your ego, and ultimately God.

Typical reaction from certain christians, but it is based on your biased assumptions and not very objective now is it?

Why did I believe in the BB once upon a time?

Because I accepted what I was told by flawed human beings..

Who wrote the bible? Do you know who authored the gospels? When were they written?

Remember, if you were alive 40 years ago, you would have understood that the earth was 30 billion years old, as this was the common understanding back then.

Two time periods, then and now, one at 13.7 billion, and one at 30 billion.

Like I said, the beauty of science, when better evidence comes along, they self correct and don't stick to one position without objective evidence. This is quite healthy!

This is how science explains things, with theories.

Yep, theories, backed with objective evidence. How does one explain God and the bible?

There is no written human history older than 5 thousand years old.

And why is that?

You simply need to disprove sciences RADICAL claims that are designed to pull you from God with fanciful notions, then start learning how to fill that void with God.

Radical claims would be those without objective evidence and God would fit the mold well.

You cant know anything without unknowing first, this is philosophy 101..

We know what we know, and some people, know what they want to know. That would be psychology 101.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

We know what we know, and some people, know what they want to know. That would be psychology 101.

Psychology is manmade.

So is philosophy, and science, which is a method of testing for validity, not disproving God.

Science fails by its own premises..

Nothing in this world is objective, because all matter breaks down into chaos.

You know this, I know this.

We are beyond our scope of understanding.



I personally believe that the earth is 6000 years old. There is nothing objectively showing that two men have ever dated the same material and got the same results.

You dont date rocks for their age, they are matter that has existed since the show started.

I personally think the celebrity physicists are nothing but ministers of their own faiths.

They wouldnt debate a guy like me, I can crash their logic in a philosophical conversation based on the Socratic method. I dont even need God for that.

Had I not bought the same reality you did, I would have never worked through it.

This is your reality, and I want to spend a few minutes looking at what I am showing and telling you...

How will so many Christians and others be mislead?

By media, and those who sold their souls for the riches of this world.. If you join the AC system, you are condemning your soul to death.

The eye at the top represents the people in this world that are untouchable by the lower class.. The love of money is the root of all evil, and they condition us with symbolism in front of our very eyes.


You know them by their allegiance to the all seeing eye of satan..

Novus ordo seclorum "New world Order" aka Antichrist system or Beast System

This is not the mark, but it is a symbol of allegiance to the god of this world..

This is why celebrities use it openly, its a sign of allegiance..

Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.



Your reality is a front, sold to you and programmed into you from the day you are born, and you dont even know it yet..

I promise friend, in a short space of time, you are going to question everything you thought you knew..

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

This is no longer conspiracy, the cats out of the bag.

The higher level Freemasons and Illumanitists communicated openly about 9/11 before it happened, it was the turning point..

They communicate through media.. Which they also use to put those who arent of God under a spell to promote wickedness.

 

[Davian]

Listen, I do enjoy the tit for tat, Im just not sure what you are expecting to hear from me..

I don't have any expectations. I only hoped that you would respect the intent of this forum and ease up on the preaching. It does not look that way.

If you have genuine questions about coming to Christ, and how you can receive Gods grace, I can help you..

If that were to happen, you would find me in the Exploring Christianity forum, not this one.

If you have any "tough" questions, that I can answer for you, let me know, but you have to receive them with an indifference to the source.. If you dont agree, just say so, but we both know that going any further than that becomes a back and forth and huge waste of time..

I already asked you a tough question: Do you have anything other than untestable, unfalsifiable assertions?

Ive argued from your position my entire life, so I know what you are feeling.

Really? Just what is my position?

 

[Davian]

-I accept the Big Bang.

To what point? The initial expansion occuring 13+ billion years ago? The Earth forming 4 billion years ago? The process of life first appearing shortly after the Earth had cooled sufficiently?

But with my approach, I think the Big Bang reinforces Christianity. We can learn so much about the beginning of the universe up till "before". Then to bridge that gap from what we know to what we don't know about the Big Bang comes Christianity.

A god-of-the-gaps approach then.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I personally believe that the earth is 6000 years old. There is nothing objectively showing that two men have ever dated the same material and got the same results.

The Shroud of Turin was dated by three independent labs, and their results were compatible.

You know them by their allegiance to the all seeing eye of satan..

o...kay. *backs away slowly*

 

[Davian]

-The Big Bang attempts to describe the formation of our universe. The expansion that took millions of years to form the galaxies and planets.

Not bad, if off by 4 orders of magnitude.

-You call it preaching, but it isn't necessarily preaching. I am using the Bible as a reference to your questions. Which is completely acceptable in any debate on creation.

I do not recall any bible references to date, only your interpretation of the bible. That is preaching. You would do better to read to me from the Sears catalog.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

The Shroud of Turin was dated by three independent labs, and their results were compatible.



o...kay. *backs away slowly*

You wont even see the evil pervasive in your life and may go so far to call it a show, but dont realize the implications..

You probably dont know anything about the free masons and how much they control your reality.. This isnt conspiracy anymore, it was, but it turns out to be true.

I dont pay ANY attention to the "Shroud of Turin", I have no way of knowing if its authentic or not.

 

[xXChristPeripheralXx]

I don't have any expectations. I only hoped that you would respect the intent of this forum and ease up on the preaching. It does not look that way.

If that were to happen, you would find me in the Exploring Christianity forum, not this one.

I already asked you a tough question: Do you have anything other than untestable, unfalsifiable assertions?

Really? Just what is my position?

You can test to see if God is real, by simply praying to him and asking for him to reveal himself to you. Ill pray for him to reveal himself as well. We all can. May I have your first name? If not no biggee..

Ive brought on a few atheists this way before, but you have to understand that what I am trying to show you not only requires faith in God, but faith that I have absolutely no reason to convince you to come to God other than to experience what happened to me, which is a love based intent, I promise..

My position was like yours. I didnt believe in God, and I was positive everything I perceived as objective was and therefor was enough to convince me I was right.

But we dont know anything, we are humans who run around with a label maker and put labels on Gods creation.

We crack an atom and we are nothing but monkeys scratching our heads.

Ok, so we know what quarks are, now what? Nothing.. Everything that is broken down, results in chaos.

When you break your reality into little fragments of pieces, you are left with something that doesnt resemble the original truth.

You are trying to dissect, when you should be assimilating.

 

[Davian]

A Christian who fears death before God has weak faith.

You have to submit to your creator to gain any benefit he is vehemently trying to get you to receive.

Submission comes with the loss of ego, or satans influence that tells the self that it is god, and can do as it pleases, so long as it feeds the self.

An atheist typically has an IQ that is above normal, I have a 170 ish something best I can remember and knew that in being intellectually superior to 99% of all humans on earth, that I was always right.

No religion, faith, observance of any kind would forfeit my understanding that the world did come from the big bang, and all life evolved from nothing.

Sadly, I was headed down the same road as Nietzsche, slipping into depression and bouts of existentialism that really brought me to a dark place.

God brought me out of that place, and has blessed me beyond words as a result.

You are just having a hard time reconciling something you cant physically touch.

But you also probably accept string theory and alternate dimensions according to science, but you cant touch that either..

You have faith in something, you just dont know what that is.


The answer has been staring at you the entire time, I hope you come to share this understanding as I have..

BTW, Jesus Christ would have told a homosexual to turn from their ways, but that he loves them no matter what.

Homosexuality is a sin, but EVERY Christian sins, and therefore are not fit to condemn a homosexual.

Homosexuals are people, not things, who deserve as much of our Christians love as the adulterer..

An IQ of 170, and the best you can come up with is preaching conspiracy and anti-science in a philosophy forum?