Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[Kylie]

Dear Kylie, Absolutely not, since the Bible shows that our world was made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made.

No it doesn't. Making a claim is very different from showing something to be true.

Gen. 2:4 That was some 13.7 Billion years ago. The means that the morning of the FIRST Day was some 25+ Billion years ago, in man's time. Each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. Our world was made 3 Days ago, in God's time.

Lots of people disagree with you. Why should I believe the Bible when even Christians can't agree what it means?

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics or allele frequency, of a population over time. I have NO problem with evolution since it is nothing but adaptation within Jesus' kinds, the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands. Science calls Jesus' kinds, "common ancestors."

So a "kind" is a common ancestor? So then do you think that chimpanzees, bonobos and Humans are all the same kind? Because the share a common ancestor. Well, gee, all of the great apes share a common ancestor if you go back far enough. In fact, all primates share a common ancestor, so a gorilla and a lemur must be the same kind. Actually, all mammals share a common ancestor, so a zebra and a kangaroo are also the same kind. And all mammals and all reptiles also have a common ancestor even further back, so a lion and an iguana are the same kind as well.

I could keep going, but my point is made. Now, unless what want to tell me what is limiting the amount of change that can happen, you are wrong.

The problem I have with the Lie of Evolution is that the Lie that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is being FORCED upon our innocent children. This is IMPOSSIBLE since Humans were made on Adam's world Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was complete, which was some 4.53 Billion years ago. Genesis 2:4-7

There's not a shred of evidence in the real world to support the idea that humans were around four and a half billion years ago.

The go ahead and PROVE the Big Lie that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. You CANNOT, but go ahead and try, and in the process you should be able to see that God's Truth destroys the False ideas of Godless men, who reject His Truth and put their Faith in the changable ideas of mortal men.

The DNA evidence is all the evidence I need.

I will PROVE Scripturally that God's Truth agrees with Science and History , IF you have the correct interpretation of Genesis.

The scripture is wrong. All you are doing is trying to find an interpretation of a metaphorical account that agrees with science, but since you don't even seem to know what science is saying, you get even that wrong.

 

[Kylie]

That says nothing. Some people think reality means the world was floating in a lake, others, that the universe was inside a speck.

And when we find that such models are absolutely useless in telling us anything about the real world, we discard them. What does your idea tell us about the real world?

Only in getting something cohesive and clear from them.

They're the same arguments you were using.

If it was anything like this one, probably.

Again, your own arguments just turned around and sent back to you.

Try spitting it out.

If you are unable to follow the discussion, then I don't think I can help you.

Science is religion, where it rests on belief. You admit we do not know the state of the past if I recall. Two...meet two, and that makes four.

Science is based on testability, not faith. And it was you who claimed we do not know the state of the past. I was just using your arguments so you could see how useless they were.

With you talking what's to get??

Something you are incapable of getting, it would seem.

Sure...into the mystic.

Again you fail to realise that I was using your own arguments and you thought that they were lousy. That was my argument. That your reasoning was so deeply flawed that even you could see how bad it was.

You can't. The daughter was here already at the start of this state I would guess.

You guess? That's a great way to reach a conclusion. Assumption based on nothing.

No. By patterns of nature, that is now in this state, we see a pattern. If we stick it in the former state an there is no decay there, I guess the daughter and parent ratios would still be here, but not the decay?

You are showing how little you know of this. You argument does not address the point I made at all.

Science is supposed to have more than belief. Really.

It does. Your ideas, however, do not.

Don't make me post another pigeon pic!

Post all the self portraits you want.

 

[dad]

And when we find that such models are absolutely useless in telling us anything about the real world, we discard them. What does your idea tell us about the real world?

If you were ABLE to find out how useless decay dating really was for anything say beyond around 4000 years, you would zip it.

They're the same arguments you were using.

One cannot use the same arguments for what is supposed to be science as one does for documents of antiquity.

Science is based on testability, not faith.

In your dreams maybe. It cannot test the state of the past, didn't you already admit that?

And it was you who claimed we do not know the state of the past. I was just using your arguments so you could see how useless they were.

If you now claim you know then we wait for the proof. Ho hum.

Something you are incapable of getting, it would seem.

Be nice. Not like I have to talk to you.

You guess? That's a great way to reach a conclusion. Assumption based on nothing.

If I am less than certain I often use words other than the sort of words science uses when it drones on about it's fantasy past as if it were real.

You are showing how little you know of this. You argument does not address the point I made at all.

I think you might need to work on comprehension. Is parent and daughter material not something that you were referring to in the isotope patterns? If not, be clear.

It does. Your ideas, however, do not.

Opinion.

Post all the self portraits you want.

OK, thanks.

 

[Kylie]

If you were ABLE to find out how useless decay dating really was for anything say beyond around 4000 years, you would zip it.

Yes we would. The fact that they have been found quite useful and the fact that they all agree with each other tells us that they are accurate. Radioactive dating is proof there has not been a different past state.

One cannot use the same arguments for what is supposed to be science as one does for documents of antiquity.

Because you have a double standard, don't you?

In your dreams maybe. It cannot test the state of the past, didn't you already admit that?

You admitted it. I was just repeating your arguments back to you, remember?

If you now claim you know then we wait for the proof. Ho hum.

We're sstill waiting for your proof. You've provided none.

Be nice. Not like I have to talk to you.

It's a fact. You seem to have trouble grasping and/or understanding this concept.

If I am less than certain I often use words other than the sort of words science uses when it drones on about it's fantasy past as if it were real.

So you are claiming something as fact when you are less than certain.

I think you might need to work on comprehension. Is parent and daughter material not something that you were referring to in the isotope patterns? If not, be clear.

I was referring to the ratios between the parent, daughter, grand-daughter, great-grand-daughter isotopes being EXACTLY what we'd expect to see if they had decayed over millions of years. Your idea is completely incapable of explaining this.

Opinion.

Fact. Science has more supporting it than just belief. It has testable facts.

OK, thanks.

No, you don't have an inflated opinion of yourself at all, do you?

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Kylie, Absolutely not, since the Bible shows that our world was made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made.
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No it doesn't. Making a claim is very different from showing something to be true.

Dear Kylie, The best and ONLY evidence is in Genesis 2:4-7 which tells us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the SAME Day the first Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants grew. This was also the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Universe.

Gen. 2:4 That was some 13.7 Billion years ago. The means that the morning of the FIRST Day was some 25+ Billion years ago, in man's time. Each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. Our world was made 3 Days ago, in God's time.
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Lots of people disagree with you. Why should I believe the Bible when even Christians can't agree what it means?

Christians become Christians by Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I have Faith, which was a Gift of God, to believe in Jesus. There are many false teachers and that is WHY I support my views with the agreement of Scripture, science, and history. That way, I can come as close to the one Truth as is humanly possible.

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics or allele frequency, of a population over time. I have NO problem with evolution since it is nothing but adaptation within Jesus' kinds, the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands. Science calls Jesus' kinds, "common ancestors."
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So a "kind" is a common ancestor? So then do you think that chimpanzees, bonobos and Humans are all the same kind?

Of course NOT. Humans were made some 13.5 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric man) evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but was NOT Human. ONLY the descendants of Adam are Human and have the superior intelligence which ONLY God and Adam have. Genesis 3:22 Humans are Humankind and NOT Apes.

Because the share a common ancestor. Well, gee, all of the great apes share a common ancestor if you go back far enough. In fact, all primates share a common ancestor, so a gorilla and a lemur must be the same kind. Actually, all mammals share a common ancestor, so a zebra and a kangaroo are also the same kind. And all mammals and all reptiles also have a common ancestor even further back, so a lion and an iguana are the same kind as well.

I could keep going, but my point is made. Now, unless what want to tell me what is limiting the amount of change that can happen, you are wrong.

The amount of change that can happen is limited to that of the common ancestor. Science can see the relationship between everything living and God tells us WHY. He tells us that on the 5th Day, some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, He created and brought forth from the Water "Every living creature that moveth". Science agrees and shows that the cells within our bodies cannot live without liquid water. Ancient man could NOT have known this.

Nothing is limiting the change which evolution shows. It's the False assumption that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but that is because our Blood was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who did evolve from the common ancestor of Apes, but from the water on the 5th Day. What is exciting is that God told us this thousands of years ago, and today's science is just now beginning to understand Genesis.

The problem I have with the Lie of Evolution is that the Lie that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is being FORCED upon our innocent children. This is IMPOSSIBLE since Humans were made on Adam's world Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was complete, which was some 4.53 Billion years ago. Genesis 2:4-7
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There's not a shred of evidence in the real world to support the idea that humans were around four and a half billion years ago.

Sure there is but you don't believe it. Here's the dating.

1st Day-25 plus Billion years ago in man's time
2nd Day-20 plus billion years ago in man's time
3rd Day -15 billion years ago in man's time, when Adam was made
4th Day- 10 billion years ago in man's time
5th Day- 5 billion years ago in man's time, when our Earth was made
6th Day - Today
7th Day - Tomorrow

There were NO Humans (descendants of Adam) until some 10k years ago. Human civilization, on this Earth, can be traced to Northern Mesoptoamia, which is just down from the mountains of Ararat in the Valleys of that area. HISTORY agrees that the cities listed in Genesis 10 and built by Noah's great grandsons are the OLDEST Human cities on this Earth.

The go ahead and PROVE the Big Lie that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. You CANNOT, but go ahead and try, and in the process you should be able to see that God's Truth destroys the False ideas of Godless men, who reject His Truth and put their Faith in the changable ideas of mortal men.
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The DNA evidence is all the evidence I need.

God told us that Human blood was contaminated, when Adam's descendants married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric man). Then He goes futher and predicts that what happened on the first Earth would happen again "and also after that". It did happen again when Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry on our Planet. They married and prehistoric people EVOLVED the human intelligence of Adam AND our blood was also contaminated by the Blood of people whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day. When this happens, we lose 90% of our human lifespans.

IF you believe the Bible was written by men, then WHY did they tells us this thousands of years BEFORE science? ONLY God could have known the importance of this 3k years ago. It's proof of God.

I will PROVE Scripturally that God's Truth agrees with Science and History , IF you have the correct interpretation of Genesis.
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The scripture is wrong. All you are doing is trying to find an interpretation of a metaphorical account that agrees with science, but since you don't even seem to know what science is saying, you get even that wrong.

False, since I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong, when I discovered that it could ONLY have been written by God since NO ancient man could have possibly known the things written in Genesis 1. Like most Authors, God exposes His Supreme Intelligence, in His writing. I just recognized it. ANY educated Evol can find the same, IF they can read and comprehend at a 4th Grade reading level. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

Yes we would. The fact that they have been found quite useful and the fact that they all agree with each other tells us that they are accurate. Radioactive dating is proof there has not been a different past state.

Radioactive dating is a belief based term. It merely assigns present state causes to all the isotopes! Yes, there is now decay, but unless we had a present state in the past, why would there have been before?? You cannot assume there was, and then go in circles from there!

Because you have a double standard, don't you?

Science has a standard of evidence that does not involve all that the bible standards do. Stop pretending physical only half brained science could be on par with, and the same standards as the bible.

I was referring to the ratios between the parent, daughter, grand-daughter, great-grand-daughter isotopes being EXACTLY what we'd expect to see if they had decayed over millions of years. Your idea is completely incapable of explaining this.

That is vague. Example? By the way that changes nothing! If we had several isotopes existing and doing whatever they did in the former state, naturally they would all start to do what the laws made them do once we entered this state! All you do is seek to impose present state causes beyond where we know this state existed! Bad religion.

Fact. Science has more supporting it than just belief. It has testable facts.

False when it comes to the past state! No facts at all does it have. Zip, zada, none, zero.

No, you don't have an inflated opinion of yourself at all, do you?

God says we will be kings and priests and rule with Him forever. Don't blame me. Apparently He does not share the evo belief system, where men are meaningless worms.

 

[dad]

..I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong, when I discovered that it could ONLY have been written by God since NO ancient man could have possibly known the things written in Genesis 1....

The things you think are hiding in there He has zero to do with. You should have started with John or some milk.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

..I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong, when I discovered that it could ONLY have been written by God since NO ancient man could have possibly known the things written in Genesis 1....
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The things you think are hiding in there He has zero to do with. You should have started with John or some milk.

Dear Dad, The start of a Christian is when he believes that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, but arose the third day, according to the Scriptures. To believe His Gospel is what makes one a Christian, not because of the goodness of the man but because of the free Gift of Faith from God, Himself.

In fact, John is probably my favorite, since it is where I began. John 3:16 is the Gospel or good news, in it's pureist form. Billy Graham says he based his whole ministry on that one verse. The Gospel of Jesus Christ IS the POWER of God unto salvation. Rom 1:16

God Bless you and thank you for testing God's Truth. It's what you were instructed to do. 1Jo 4:1 You are unique among Christians to have enough courage to stand up for what you believe. Most of my brothers and sisters are quiet, but they can easily distinguish God's Truth from the razzle dazzle of those who seek only to pick their pockets. From the instructions Jesus gave His Disciples:

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Kylie]

Radioactive dating is a belief based term. It merely assigns present state causes to all the isotopes! Yes, there is now decay, but unless we had a present state in the past, why would there have been before?? You cannot assume there was, and then go in circles from there!

This does not address the issue. Why are the ratios of parent/daughter/grand-daughter isotopes in EXACTLY the relationship predicted by millions of years of decay?

Science has a standard of evidence that does not involve all that the bible standards do. Stop pretending physical only half brained science could be on par with, and the same standards as the bible.

Given that different Christians come to different conclusions about the same parts of the Bible, I'd say there are not even any objective standards to apply to the Bible. When you get some (and full agreement among all Christians worldwide) let me know. Until then, you have nothing.

That is vague. Example? By the way that changes nothing! If we had several isotopes existing and doing whatever they did in the former state, naturally they would all start to do what the laws made them do once we entered this state! All you do is seek to impose present state causes beyond where we know this state existed! Bad religion.

No, it is quite specific. Let me ask the question again: Why are the ratios of parent/daughter/grand-daughter isotopes in EXACTLY the relationship predicted by millions of years of decay?

False when it comes to the past state! No facts at all does it have. Zip, zada, none, zero.

The radioactive decay is proof. You don't even have that.

God says we will be kings and priests and rule with Him forever. Don't blame me. Apparently He does not share the evo belief system, where men are meaningless worms.

So you believe it because it says things that make you feel good about yourself?

 

[Kylie]

Dear Kylie, The best and ONLY evidence is in Genesis 2:4-7 which tells us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the SAME Day the first Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants grew. This was also the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Universe.

The best and only evidence is what can be tested, examined and seen in the real world. What you are presenting me is a story in a book. Any and all examination of the real world shows that it is wrong.

Christians become Christians by Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I have Faith, which was a Gift of God, to believe in Jesus. There are many false teachers and that is WHY I support my views with the agreement of Scripture, science, and history. That way, I can come as close to the one Truth as is humanly possible.

Ah, got it. The people who disagree with you are "false teachers." The good ol' "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

Of course NOT. Humans were made some 13.5 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric man) evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but was NOT Human. ONLY the descendants of Adam are Human and have the superior intelligence which ONLY God and Adam have. Genesis 3:22 Humans are Humankind and NOT Apes.

But humans, chimps and bonobos share a common ancestor, therefore they are the same kind according to your claim. If you disagree, please explain why the genetic evidence for this is wrong.

The amount of change that can happen is limited to that of the common ancestor.

Why is it limited?

Science can see the relationship between everything living and God tells us WHY.

Very well. Using the Bible only, tell me WHY a shark is related to a dolphin through a far-distant common ancestor.

He tells us that on the 5th Day, some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, He created and brought forth from the Water "Every living creature that moveth". Science agrees and shows that the cells within our bodies cannot live without liquid water. Ancient man could NOT have known this.

Please quote the Bible passage the CLEARLY explains how the cells within our bodies need water.

Nothing is limiting the change which evolution shows.

You are contradicting yourself! Earlier you said, "The amount of change that can happen is LIMITED to that of the common ancestor." Now you say there is no limit. Can't have both. It would seem that you don't have a proper grasp of the issue.

It's the False assumption that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but that is because our Blood was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who did evolve from the common ancestor of Apes, but from the water on the 5th Day.

Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that prehistoric people (who descended from the common ancestor with apes) interbred with a population who were completely separate to any other form of life.

What is exciting is that God told us this thousands of years ago, and today's science is just now beginning to understand Genesis.

Again, please provide scientific evidence to support this.

Sure there is but you don't believe it. Here's the dating.

1st Day-25 plus Billion years ago in man's time
2nd Day-20 plus billion years ago in man's time
3rd Day -15 billion years ago in man's time, when Adam was made
4th Day- 10 billion years ago in man's time
5th Day- 5 billion years ago in man's time, when our Earth was made
6th Day - Today
7th Day - Tomorrow

I did say evidence from the real world. There is not a shred of real-world evidence to support this, and quite a lot of real-world evidence to support the fact that there were no humans 15 billion years ago.

There were NO Humans (descendants of Adam) until some 10k years ago.

Real world evidence disagrees.

Human civilization, on this Earth, can be traced to Northern Mesoptoamia, which is just down from the mountains of Ararat in the Valleys of that area. HISTORY agrees that the cities listed in Genesis 10 and built by Noah's great grandsons are the OLDEST Human cities on this Earth.

They may be the oldest cities, but you are biasing yourself by assuming that they were built by Noah. You are assuming the thing that you wish to prove.

God told us that Human blood was contaminated, when Adam's descendants married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric man).

Did he? I don't remember reading that in the Bible. Passage please? Also, could you provide some scientific evidence that this ever happened, preferably something that discusses the genetic evidence?

Then He goes futher and predicts that what happened on the first Earth would happen again "and also after that". It did happen again when Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry on our Planet. They married and prehistoric people EVOLVED the human intelligence of Adam AND our blood was also contaminated by the Blood of people whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day. When this happens, we lose 90% of our human lifespans.

This is completely unsupported.

IF you believe the Bible was written by men, then WHY did they tells us this thousands of years BEFORE science? ONLY God could have known the importance of this 3k years ago. It's proof of God.

because it's WRONG.

False, since I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong, when I discovered that it could ONLY have been written by God since NO ancient man could have possibly known the things written in Genesis 1. Like most Authors, God exposes His Supreme Intelligence, in His writing. I just recognized it. ANY educated Evol can find the same, IF they can read and comprehend at a 4th Grade reading level.

Only because you have a very poor understanding of evolution.

 

[dad]

Originally Posted by Aman777

..I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong, when I discovered that it could ONLY have been written by God since NO ancient man could have possibly known the things written in Genesis 1....
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Dear Dad, The start of a Christian is when he believes that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, but arose the third day, according to the Scriptures. To believe His Gospel is what makes one a Christian, not because of the goodness of the man but because of the free Gift of Faith from God, Himself.

In fact, John is probably my favorite, since it is where I began. John 3:16 is the Gospel or good news, in it's pureist form. Billy Graham says he based his whole ministry on that one verse. The Gospel of Jesus Christ IS the POWER of God unto salvation. Rom 1:16

God Bless you and thank you for testing God's Truth. It's what you were instructed to do. 1Jo 4:1 You are unique among Christians to have enough courage to stand up for what you believe. Most of my brothers and sisters are quiet, but they can easily distinguish God's Truth from the razzle dazzle of those who seek only to pick their pockets. From the instructions Jesus gave His Disciples:

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

In Love,
Aman

You seem like an OK guy when you talk without all the crazy stuff.

 

[dad]

This does not address the issue. Why are the ratios of parent/daughter/grand-daughter isotopes in EXACTLY the relationship predicted by millions of years of decay?

Give an example.

Given that different Christians come to different conclusions about the same parts of the Bible, I'd say there are not even any objective standards to apply to the Bible. When you get some (and full agreement among all Christians worldwide) let me know. Until then, you have nothing.

Jesus came to many conclusions. If anyone disagrees with them, they are easy to flick off as nonsense.

No, it is quite specific. Let me ask the question again: Why are the ratios of parent/daughter/grand-daughter isotopes in EXACTLY the relationship predicted by millions of years of decay?

Give an example. You apparently didn't grasp the fullness of what was said to you, so we need to get specific.

The radioactive decay is proof. You don't even have that.

It is proof that decay exists. Of course decay exists in this state, so whatever it is proof of will not include the past unless you first prove it was the same state.

So you believe it because it says things that make you feel good about yourself?

I believe it because He was the first One to rise from the dead, and He promised we would too. That has to make us feel good. Feeling good is OK.

 

[Kylie]

Give an example.

All of them.

Jesus came to many conclusions. If anyone disagrees with them, they are easy to flick off as nonsense.

Lots of words, but you say nothing.

Give an example. You apparently didn't grasp the fullness of what was said to you, so we need to get specific.

Any instance will do.

It is proof that decay exists. Of course decay exists in this state, so whatever it is proof of will not include the past unless you first prove it was the same state.

The only way we would be able to see the ratios between parent and daughter material that we actually see is if the parent material had been decaying for millions of years. If the length of time available for decay was different, we would see different ratios.

How do you not understand this?

I believe it because He was the first One to rise from the dead, and He promised we would too. That has to make us feel good. Feeling good is OK.

But choosing things based on how happy they make you isn't a very reliable way to find out about the world.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Kylie, The best and ONLY evidence is in Genesis 2:4-7 which tells us that man was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the SAME Day the first Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants grew. This was also the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Universe.
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The best and only evidence is what can be tested, examined and seen in the real world. What you are presenting me is a story in a book. Any and all examination of the real world shows that it is wrong.

Dear Kylie, Correction: YOUR interpretation of what Genesis is saying is what is provably wrong. When you understand Genesis, you will see that ONLY God could have possibly known the things He reveals there.

Aman:>>Christians become Christians by Faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I have Faith, which was a Gift of God, to believe in Jesus. There are many false teachers and that is WHY I support my views with the agreement of Scripture, science, and history. That way, I can come as close to the one Truth as is humanly possible.

Ah, got it. The people who disagree with you are "false teachers." The good ol' "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

No. Not at all. I just explained to you that Christians are those who believe in the Gospel of Jesus. Since there are thousands of religious stories out there, I prefer those which agree with EVERY other discovered Truth. I am very leary of those who CLAIM that only their group is correct.

Of course NOT. Humans were made some 13.5 Billion years ago, in man's time. The sons of God (prehistoric man) evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but was NOT Human. ONLY the descendants of Adam are Human and have the superior intelligence which ONLY God and Adam have. Genesis 3:22 Humans are Humankind and NOT Apes.
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But humans, chimps and bonobos share a common ancestor, therefore they are the same kind according to your claim. If you disagree, please explain why the genetic evidence for this is wrong.

Humans were made Billions of years ago on another world. Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry. Like Cain, on Adam's earth, they married and passed the Human intelligence of Adam to the offspring of this union. Today's Humans are the Offspring.

That is WHY we have the unique high intelligence level, when compared to the sons of God (prehistoric People), which ONLY God and Adam have. We also contain the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes because pure Human blood was contaminated with the blood of prehistoric people who DID evolve from the common ancestor of Apes. We lost 90% of our lifespans because of this, but it's all according to God's perfect Plan revealed to those who can read and understand it.

Genetics cannot measure human intelligence levels since they are inherited only from Adam, the first human, are are totally invisible.

The amount of change that can happen is limited to that of the common ancestor.
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Why is it limited?

Because Jesus made it impossible for humankind to evolve across kinds. Humans were FIRST made, Before any other living creature. Genesis 2:4-7 Those creatures, which were made from the water change or evolve within their kinds. That is the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands.

Science can see the relationship between everything living and God tells us WHY.
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Very well. Using the Bible only, tell me WHY a shark is related to a dolphin through a far-distant common ancestor.

The Bible is True to every discovery of Science, but it is not a textbook on sharks and dolphins. It leaves such trivial matters to those who THINK they know more than God.

He tells us that on the 5th Day, some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, He created and brought forth from the Water "Every living creature that moveth". Science agrees and shows that the cells within our bodies cannot live without liquid water. Ancient man could NOT have known this.
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Please quote the Bible passage the CLEARLY explains how the cells within our bodies need water.

I will when you show me the Scientific Truth of How and When we magically evolved from animal to human intelligence. Hint: It happened in ONE Generation, and did NOT take Millions of years of gradual time and positive mutations to change people with animal intelligence into people with Human intelligence.

Nothing is limiting the change which evolution shows.
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You are contradicting yourself! Earlier you said, "The amount of change that can happen is LIMITED to that of the common ancestor." Now you say there is no limit. Can't have both. It would seem that you don't have a proper grasp of the issue.

Sure I do and there is no contradiction. Nothing is limiting the change which evolution shows because it is adaptation within His kinds. Jesus sets the limit over which creature evolves and which one stays the same, like Humans, which Science tells us is getting worse and not better, in complete accord with God's Holy Word. 2Ti 3:13

It's the False assumption that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, but that is because our Blood was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who did evolve from the common ancestor of Apes, but from the water on the 5th Day.
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Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that prehistoric people (who descended from the common ancestor with apes) interbred with a population who were completely separate to any other form of life.

Sure and I will comment in Bold.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,

The giants are intellectual giants as the end of the verse shows. Notice the and also after that, which is Prophecy that what happened on Adam's Earth, producing intellectual giants, will happen again, and also after that. The Prophecy was fulfilled with Noah's grandsons married and produced intellectual gianst on our Planet. Today's Humans are the giants which fulfill the prophecy of and also after that.

when the sons of God (Prehistoric man) came in unto the daughters of men,(Heb-Adam) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This is Scriptural proof of changes within kinds. The prehistoric people changed from the animal kind to the Human kind. It happened on the first Earth and our Earth, showing it's that way all over the Universe.

What is exciting is that God told us this thousands of years ago, and today's science is just now beginning to understand Genesis.
Again, please provide scientific evidence to support this.

Sure there is but you don't believe it. Here's the dating.

1st Day-25 plus Billion years ago in man's time
2nd Day-20 plus billion years ago in man's time
3rd Day -15 billion years ago in man's time, when Adam was made
4th Day- 10 billion years ago in man's time
5th Day- 5 billion years ago in man's time, when our Earth was made
6th Day - Today
7th Day - Tomorrow
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I did say evidence from the real world. There is not a shred of real-world evidence to support this, and quite a lot of real-world evidence to support the fact that there were no humans 15 billion years ago.

Sorry, but today's all knowing scientists are totally ignorant of anything BEFORE the Big Bang. It's because they have rejected the best and ONLY evidence of the formation of Humans Billions of years BEFORE our Solar System was completely formed. IOW, your "real world" evidence is NON-existent showing that your "real world" is unaware of what is real.

There were NO Humans (descendants of Adam) until some 10k years ago.
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Real world evidence disagrees.

No it doesn't, since there is NO real world evidence of How and When prehistoric people evolved their human intelligence APART from the birth process. Nature does NOT produce evolutionary changes APART from the birth canal. Such False Theories presume that long periods of time and mutations work MAGIC by changing Apes into Humans. There is NO evidence of this Magic happening. If you have some evidence, then post it, but both of us know that you do NOT.

Human civilization, on this Earth, can be traced to Northern Mesoptoamia, which is just down from the mountains of Ararat in the Valleys of that area. HISTORY agrees that the cities listed in Genesis 10 and built by Noah's great grandsons are the OLDEST Human cities on this Earth.
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They may be the oldest cities, but you are biasing yourself by assuming that they were built by Noah. You are assuming the thing that you wish to prove.

Not so, since the ruins of these cities confirm what is written in Genesis 10. IOW, it's EMPIRICAL evidence of the FIRST human activity such as farming, city building, math, and every other modern Human trait on our Earth. Don't believe me? Then post another Human city which is older than those listed in Genesis 10 and CONFIRMED by History, and the evidence left by Noah's descendants. You CANNOT.

God told us that Human blood was contaminated, when Adam's descendants married and produced children with the sons of God (prehistoric man).
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Did he? I don't remember reading that in the Bible. Passage please? Also, could you provide some scientific evidence that this ever happened, preferably something that discusses the genetic evidence?

I cannot make ignorant scientists, who worship at the Altar of Evolutionism, tell us HOW they arrived at their false position. IOW, it's their False "belief" that humans originated on this Earth. The InComplete, unsupported, ToE knows NOTHING about Humans true origin.

Then He goes futher and predicts that what happened on the first Earth would happen again "and also after that". It did happen again when Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry on our Planet. They married and prehistoric people EVOLVED the human intelligence of Adam AND our blood was also contaminated by the Blood of people whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day. When this happens, we lose 90% of our human lifespans.
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This is completely unsupported.

Except by God's Holy Word, which is the best and ONLY evidence, since today's Science rejects God's Truth in favor of man's false assumptions.

IF you believe the Bible was written by men, then WHY did they tells us this thousands of years BEFORE science? ONLY God could have known the importance of this 3k years ago. It's proof of God.
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because it's WRONG.

That's your false view which is caused by the Lies of the ToE, which does NOT know of the world that THEN WAS, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:5

False, since I was an Evol trying to prove the Bible wrong, when I discovered that it could ONLY have been written by God since NO ancient man could have possibly known the things written in Genesis 1. Like most Authors, God exposes His Supreme Intelligence, in His writing. I just recognized it. ANY educated Evol can find the same, IF they can read and comprehend at a 4th Grade reading level.
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Only because you have a very poor understanding of evolution.

Then correct me Scientifically IF you think you can. All you have to do is show us your Superior Intelligence which allows you to see into the past and tell us what happened Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was even made. In the end, you MUST claim ignorance or show us HOW you know more than God. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Ginger123]

In the end, you MUST claim ignorance or show us HOW you know more than God. God Bless you.

Where is your God? in your head, which means I know a lot more than your God because I know a lot more than you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where is your God? in your head, which means I know a lot more than your God because I know a lot more than you.

Good.

Tell us how we got our moon then, please?

 

[Aman777]

Where is your God? in your head, which means I know a lot more than your God because I know a lot more than you.

Dear Ginger, You are wonderful. Can you tell us how you got to to be so brilliant? Was it because God gave you the ability to learn? Or, was it the result of millions of years of gradual, slow moving time, combined with the magical qualities of numerous mutations, which produced you?

IOW, you trade a few years on this lost and dying world for Billions of years of life as it should be. You are really smart. You are wonderful. It's a shame that you are not nearly as smart as you would like us to believe. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

You seem like an OK guy when you talk without all the crazy stuff.

Dear Dad, Thanks for noticing that I am a True Fundamentalist Christian. I knew you would IF you posted to me long enough. I know that my views on Genesis are controversial, but they are also true to Scripture. Jesus said, My sheep hear My voice. I am happy you can now realize that Christians come in all shapes, sizes, and understandings. God Bless you for realizing that I'm your brother in Christ, no matter how crazy I am.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Ginger123]

Dear Ginger, You are wonderful. Can you tell us how you got to to be so brilliant? Was it because God gave you the ability to learn? Or, was it the result of millions of years of gradual, slow moving time, combined with the magical qualities of numerous mutations, which produced you?

IOW, you trade a few years on this lost and dying world for Billions of years of life as it should be. You are really smart. You are wonderful. It's a shame that you are not nearly as smart as you would like us to believe. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

I'm not brilliant I'm just smarter than you and every time you post you confirm it.

 

[Ginger123]

Good.

Tell us how we got our moon then, please?

The moon is dehydrated water left over from the flood, where else could the flood waters go Pluto?