Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[Kylie]

Dear Kylie, Of course I do. How many people do you know who tells others that they can show you God's Truth, which agrees in every way with every other discovered Truth? Answer: 0 How many people do you see actually refuting me Scripturally, Scientifically, or Historically? Answer: 0

The reason is simple. I'm not preaching my views but showing what Scripture is actually saying, instead of what some man-made religion tells you it's saying. They've told us for thousands of years that man was made the 6th Day, instead of the Scriptural Fact that man was made the 3rd Day. Gen. 2:4-7

I can turn on the Tv on Sunday and watch the televangelists make exactly the same claim. I'm not impressed by them, and it doesn't impress me when the claim comes from you. Anyone can declare that they have sole access to the truth.

When someone tells you that they know the Truth but their Truth does NOT agree with scripture, science, and history, cling tightly to your wallet.

In Love,
Aman

Actually, I find that truth tends to agree with reality, not scripture. When the two contradict, I go with reality every time. because I can go and see that for myself.

 

[Kylie]

You claim a same state past, no? That is not my claim, it is what science claims! Do not be a hypocrite and ask us to prove there was no same state past!

You claim a different state past, no? That is not my claim, it is what you claim! Do not be a hypocrite and ask me to prove there was no different state past!

The bible is well proven in thousands of ways. Jesus was born to a virgin in the city of David. I must take it seriously when it describes a past that could not be under our laws! reason demands it.

I have never seen anything that shows how reality validates the miraculous claims in the Bible.

No. You can play or take a hike. Don't blame others.

Does anyone here find your arguments at all convincing?

That is a claim there WAS decay!! Prove it? Really. If there was, fine, we can look at that.

You can't prove there wasn't. Until you can, you have nothing.

No. If there was no decay and no present state how could the decay that started in this state have been consistent?? You FIRST need to prove a same state past...not just mouth one into existence.

What evidence do you have that decay rates in this state were inconsistant?

Doesn't matter. They claim long lives existed. The bible does too, and for the actual lengths we must look to the accurate record, the bible. You cannot disprove it. The separation of the water and land on the planet the same week as life was created...why no killing heat? It had to be different. Hey I don't make this stuff up.

Aesop's fables claims that lions and foxes and donkeys could talk. You cannot disprove it. Hey, I don't make this stuff up either. Aesop's fables prove there was no different past state. If the past state was different, how could there have been talking?

 

[Kylie]

People have a hard time admitting defeat.

Is that why you never do it?

That often causes them to try to defend their case until they have no choice but to huff off, and try to save face doing so the best they can.

No, it seems like it would be for the same reason no one spends much time trying to play chess with a pigeon.

 

[dad]

Is that why you never do it?

I have no reason to do anything but jump up and down in delight for accepting what the bible says happened. Science is a loser on the issue and so are those that fell for the scam. Come on over to the winnin side.

No, it seems like it would be for the same reason no one spends much time trying to play chess with a pigeon.

Rather than playing with birds, try to post more intelligently than one. We wait.

 

[dad]

You claim a different state past, no? That is not my claim, it is what you claim! Do not be a hypocrite and ask me to prove there was no different state past!

Science claims a same state past and uses that for a basis for models. The bible claims many different things actually existed in the past. The bible wins, because it is already demonstrated in many other area to be reliable and true.

I have never seen anything that shows how reality validates the miraculous claims in the Bible.

I have never seen anything that shows how reality does not validate the miraculous claims in the Bible. But rather than talk of what you have never seen, try yapping about what you have seen!

Does anyone here find your arguments at all convincing?

The bible is very convincing. Anyone want to show that the bible claims a same state past like science believes existed by faith alone??

You can't prove there wasn't. Until you can, you have nothing.

Don't be childish. No one knows the state of the past, least of all science. No one is going to prove any state existed. Since you cannot do that I find it better to believe the Almighty over your hunches.

What evidence do you have that decay rates in this state were inconsistant?

"This" state?? You mean the present state? Why would decay rates ever have been inconsistent?? If you have some reason to claim they were, spit it out. We are not mind readers here.

Aesop's fables claims that...

Is science not supposed to be able to do better than that??? Citing other fables does not help the fables of science in any way.

 

[Kylie]

Science claims a same state past and uses that for a basis for models. The bible claims many different things actually existed in the past. The bible wins, because it is already demonstrated in many other area to be reliable and true.

You claim a different state past and uses that for a basis for models. Reality claims many different things actually existed in the past. Reality wins, because it is already demonstrated in many other area to be reliable and true.

I have never seen anything that shows how reality does not validate the miraculous claims in the Bible. But rather than talk of what you have never seen, try yapping about what you have seen!

I guess you have special sunglasses on that hide those bits of reality. Those sunglasses that have BIAS written on the side of them.

The bible is very convincing. Anyone want to show that the bible claims a same state past like science believes existed by faith alone??

What in the world are you going on about?

Don't be childish. No one knows the state of the past, least of all science. No one is going to prove any state existed. Since you cannot do that I find it better to believe the Almighty over your hunches.

If I am childish when I use that argument, what are you when you use that argument? Anyway, no one knows the state of the past, least of all religion. No one is going to prove any state existed. Since you cannot do that I find it better to believe reality over your hunches.

"This" state?? You mean the present state? Why would decay rates ever have been inconsistent?? If you have some reason to claim they were, spit it out. We are not mind readers here.

You were the one who said it. "how could the decay that started in this state have been consistent?" But let's ignore that and accept your claim that the decay rate in this state has been consistent. How could we get millions of years of decay in only a few thousand years?

Is science not supposed to be able to do better than that??? Citing other fables does not help the fables of science in any way.

Very good. I hope you learned a valuable lesson here.

 

[Kylie]

I have no reason to do anything but jump up and down in delight for accepting what the bible says happened. Science is a loser on the issue and so are those that fell for the scam. Come on over to the winnin side.

I love this. You do realize that it is hypocrisy to claim that science is a loser while surfing the internet (science) on a computer (science) or watching TV (science). And when you get sick, you drive a car (science) guided by GPS (science) to the doctor (science) at the hospital (science) where you get medicine (science).

If science is a loser, why do you enjoy so many of the benefits it gives you?

Rather than playing with birds, try to post more intelligently than one. We wait.

You don't get it. You're the pigeon.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is a loser on the issue...

You do realize that it is hypocrisy to claim that science is a loser while surfing the internet (science) on a computer (science) or watching TV (science). And when you get sick, you drive a car (science) guided by GPS (science) to the doctor (science) at the hospital (science) where you get medicine (science).

If science is a loser, why do you enjoy so many of the benefits it gives you?

Hang up the Arab phone.

He said science is a loser on the issue.

If dad has to give up the Internet, his computer, watching TV, his car, and medicine,* do you intend to give up God's air that you're breathing, or God's "footstool" you're feet are on?

* It just occurred to me that the Antichrist isn't going to stand for [this] hypocrisy; and will indeed demand Christians give up these things.

I don't know for sure, and I'm not going to be here, but it sounds plausible.

 

[Aman777]

I can turn on the Tv on Sunday and watch the televangelists make exactly the same claim. I'm not impressed by them, and it doesn't impress me when the claim comes from you. Anyone can declare that they have sole access to the truth.

Dear Kylie, Sure they can, but which ones show you the agreement of Scripture with Science and History? I'm not a TV evangelist as should be clear since I don't ask for your money.

Actually, I find that truth tends to agree with reality, not scripture. When the two contradict, I go with reality every time. because I can go and see that for myself.

Good. That's WHY I am here. Scripture DOES agree, in every way, with Reality. The discoveries of Science and History are the SAME as God's Holy Word, IF you have the proper interpretation. It's obvious that you do NOT. Could it be that you have been "brain washed" by the Satanic Lies of the False Theory of Evolution?

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

In Love,
Aman

 

[AV1611VET]

Scripture DOES agree, in every way, with Reality.

Reality is in a fallen state and is still falling as we speak.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

The Bible calls it "vanity" and "bondage of corruption" -- scientists call it "entropy."

At the end of Genesis 2, reality, the Scriptures, and history were in total agreement with each other.

But after the fall, reality began a descent from "very good" to "very bad."

If left unchecked, reality will reach what is called thermal equilibrium.

God will intervene long before that.

 

[Aman777]

Reality is in a fallen state and is still falling as we speak.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

The Bible calls it "vanity" and "bondage of corruption" -- scientists call it "entropy."

Dear AV, Amen. God subjected everything to vanity for 6 of His Days. At the end of the present 6th Age, "the creature itself" also will be delivered. Animal lovers will be happy to know that.

At the end of Genesis 2, reality, the Scriptures, and history were in total agreement with each other.

But after the fall, reality began a descent from "very good" to "very bad."

If left unchecked, reality will reach what is called thermal equilibrium.

God will intervene long before that.

Amen. It's also called a Thermal Nuclear War. Mankind, with all the blessings of modern Science, will come to a place where we are in Danger of extinction. At that time, Jesus will return to our lost and dying world.

Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

I love this. You do realize that it is hypocrisy to claim that science is a loser while surfing the internet (science) on a computer (science) or watching TV (science).

I would like to realize that, so show us how that is related to a same state past claim exactly!!!!?? Desperate diversion attempt.

And when you get sick, you drive a car (science) guided by GPS (science) to the doctor (science) at the hospital (science) where you get medicine (science).

If science is a loser, why do you enjoy so many of the benefits it gives you?

Science is not connected to a same state past alternate creation fable. Really. You need to be able to separate science from fiction and fable.

You don't get it. You're the pigeon.

Your claims do not grow fairer with age.

 

[dad]

You claim a different state past and uses that for a basis for models.

Models based on God's word need not be supported in the way so called science models must.

Reality claims many different things actually existed in the past.

Who told you that?

Reality wins, because it is already demonstrated in many other area to be reliable and true.

Strawman. Some vague comment about reality in no way supports your unproven fantasy claims of the state of the past.

I guess you have special sunglasses on that hide those bits of reality. Those sunglasses that have BIAS written on the side of them.

Those bits? We are not mind readers here. What bits?

If I am childish when I use that argument, what are you when you use that argument?

I do not use it. I do not claim science knows the state and nature and laws of the far past.

Anyway, no one knows the state of the past, least of all religion.

How would you know!! Why yap for nothing? In other words science doesn't know.....but that doesn't give you the right to try to drag all faiths down with you because of your epic fail.

No one is going to prove any state existed.

Great, then they better not claim one existed as part of a science claim!

You were the one who said it. "how could the decay that started in this state have been consistent?"

If I mentioned decay it would be in the context of this present state where we know decay exists! Gong.

But let's ignore that and accept your claim that the decay rate in this state has been consistent. How could we get millions of years of decay in only a few thousand years?

One minute you are talking "in this state" and the next you are off to la la land, talking about a past that you already admitted you do not know the state of!

If this state started with (what is now) daughter material, then you cannot attribute it's existence to decay!


How sweet it is.

 

[Kylie]

Hang up the Arab phone.

He said science is a loser on the issue.

If dad has to give up the Internet, his computer, watching TV, his car, and medicine,* do you intend to give up God's air that you're breathing, or God's "footstool" you're feet are on?

* It just occurred to me that the Antichrist isn't going to stand for [this] hypocrisy; and will indeed demand Christians give up these things.

I don't know for sure, and I'm not going to be here, but it sounds plausible.

And what exactly qualifies you to pass a judgement on science? How can you justify saying science is wrong based on nothing but that fact that you;ve already decided that something else is right?

 

[Kylie]

Dear Kylie, Sure they can, but which ones show you the agreement of Scripture with Science and History? I'm not a TV evangelist as should be clear since I don't ask for your money.

So you don't think the Bible says the world was created 6000 years ago?

Good. That's WHY I am here. Scripture DOES agree, in every way, with Reality. The discoveries of Science and History are the SAME as God's Holy Word, IF you have the proper interpretation. It's obvious that you do NOT. Could it be that you have been "brain washed" by the Satanic Lies of the False Theory of Evolution?

Do you even understand the evidence for evolution? Because from what you are saying, evolution can not be compatible with reality. So tell me, which part of evolution is incompatible with reality?

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I can quote Bible verses too.

[QUOTE] 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. [/quote]

And science has proven itself to be the best method possible with which to test things. And guess what science says about evolution.

 

[Kylie]

I would like to realize that, so show us how that is related to a same state past claim exactly!!!!?? Desperate diversion attempt.

You don't get it. If you make a claim, it is you who is required to show why the claim is true. If I make a claim is it up to you to show why it is false?

Science is not connected to a same state past alternate creation fable. Really. You need to be able to separate science from fiction and fable.

This is as vague as it gets. You say nothing of any meaning here. Just making grandiose claims with no support whatsoever.

 

[AV1611VET]

And what exactly qualifies you to pass a judgement on science?

The Bible, Which not only qualifies me to pass a judgement on science, but qualifies preschoolers as well.

 

[Kylie]

Models based on God's word need not be supported in the way so called science models must.

Any model that disagrees with reality can tell us nothing about reality.

Who told you that?

Do you have a problem with the arguments I am using?

Strawman. Some vague comment about reality in no way supports your unproven fantasy claims of the state of the past.

So you think that what I said is a vague comment that proves nothing?

Those bits? We are not mind readers here. What bits?

Are you aware of what the subject of this thread is? What bits do you think I'm talking about? The bits regarding the history of British locomotives?

I do not use it. I do not claim science knows the state and nature and laws of the far past.

You just use religion instead. Other than that, it's all the same. "I claim X because of Y."

How would you know!! Why yap for nothing? In other words science doesn't know.....but that doesn't give you the right to try to drag all faiths down with you because of your epic fail.

You just don't get it, do you?

Great, then they better not claim one existed as part of a science claim!

Again, my argument saisl straight over your head.

If I mentioned decay it would be in the context of this present state where we know decay exists! Gong.

And yet how can we have millions of years of decay if things have not been decaying for millions of years?

One minute you are talking "in this state" and the next you are off to la la land, talking about a past that you already admitted you do not know the state of!

Again, my argument sailed over your head.

If this state started with (what is now) daughter material, then you cannot attribute it's existence to decay!

I see. And by an amazing coincidence, we find the EXACT RATIOS WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IF IT WAS ALL A RESULT OF DECAY. What are the chances of that, dad?

How sweet it is.

What's sweet is that I just cut and pasted your response and changed "religion" to "Science" and suchwhat and you treated the arguments as though they were rubbish. What does that tell you about the quality of your arguments, dad? If even you can see that they are rubbish?

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Kylie, Sure they can, but which ones show you the agreement of Scripture with Science and History? I'm not a TV evangelist as should be clear since I don't ask for your money.
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So you don't think the Bible says the world was created 6000 years ago?

Dear Kylie, Absolutely not, since the Bible shows that our world was made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen. 2:4 That was some 13.7 Billion years ago. The means that the morning of the FIRST Day was some 25+ Billion years ago, in man's time. Each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. Our world was made 3 Days ago, in God's time.

Good. That's WHY I am here. Scripture DOES agree, in every way, with Reality. The discoveries of Science and History are the SAME as God's Holy Word, IF you have the proper interpretation. It's obvious that you do NOT. Could it be that you have been "brain washed" by the Satanic Lies of the False Theory of Evolution?
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Do you even understand the evidence for evolution? Because from what you are saying, evolution can not be compatible with reality. So tell me, which part of evolution is incompatible with reality?

Evolution is the measured change in the genetics or allele frequency, of a population over time. I have NO problem with evolution since it is nothing but adaptation within Jesus' kinds, the kinds Jesus made with His own Hands. Science calls Jesus' kinds, "common ancestors."

The problem I have with the Lie of Evolution is that the Lie that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is being FORCED upon our innocent children. This is IMPOSSIBLE since Humans were made on Adam's world Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was complete, which was some 4.53 Billion years ago. Genesis 2:4-7

2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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I can quote Bible verses too.

[QUOTE] 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. [/quote]

And science has proven itself to be the best method possible with which to test things. And guess what science says about evolution.

The go ahead and PROVE the Big Lie that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. You CANNOT, but go ahead and try, and in the process you should be able to see that God's Truth destroys the False ideas of Godless men, who reject His Truth and put their Faith in the changable ideas of mortal men.

I will PROVE Scripturally that God's Truth agrees with Science and History , IF you have the correct interpretation of Genesis.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

Any model that disagrees with reality can tell us nothing about reality.

That says nothing. Some people think reality means the world was floating in a lake, others, that the universe was inside a speck.

Do you have a problem with the arguments I am using?

Only in getting something cohesive and clear from them.

So you think that what I said is a vague comment that proves nothing?

If it was anything like this one, probably.

Are you aware of what the subject of this thread is? What bits do you think I'm talking about? The bits regarding the history of British locomotives?

Try spitting it out.

You just use religion instead. Other than that, it's all the same. "I claim X because of Y."

Science is religion, where it rests on belief. You admit we do not know the state of the past if I recall. Two...meet two, and that makes four.

You just don't get it, do you?

With you talking what's to get??

Again, my argument saisl straight over your head.

Sure...into the mystic.

And yet how can we have millions of years of decay if things have not been decaying for millions of years?

You can't. The daughter was here already at the start of this state I would guess.

I see. And by an amazing coincidence, we find the EXACT RATIOS WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IF IT WAS ALL A RESULT OF DECAY. What are the chances of that, dad?

No. By patterns of nature, that is now in this state, we see a pattern. If we stick it in the former state an there is no decay there, I guess the daughter and parent ratios would still be here, but not the decay?

What's sweet is that I just cut and pasted your response and changed "religion" to "Science" and suchwhat and you treated the arguments as though they were rubbish.

Science is supposed to have more than belief. Really.

Don't make me post another pigeon pic!