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Are you kidding?
Please Google "Young Earth Creationists". Plenty of people with tons of "evidence".
As a matter of fact, exactly the same type of "evidence" you use to "prove" god's existence.
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Oncedeceived
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No, what I implied was that since wasn't there he couldn't say evidence didn't support it.
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Yes. And I know for a fact that I am, because I was there.
You were not there, so any objection you think you have is pure speculation.
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Of course we do. There were/are approximately 24 hours in a day.
The forces needed to suddenly accelerate or decelerate the earth's rotation by any significant amount would probably tear the planet apart.
It is in the realm of the creationist who proposed that Australia caught a wave after the flood, and surfed to it's current location, thus explaining how animals endemic to Australia reached the continent. Apparently they got on board before she set sail.
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You're clutching at straws again, stand back and take a look at yourself.
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Oncedeceived
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Time existed prior to the earth's formation. We are looking at the entire universe and God's time. God is outside of time.
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EternalDragon
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Do you actually think you have a coherent grasp on what time really is?
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EternalDragon
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Outside of time is not effected by time.....eternal. No beginning or end.
Like I said, hard to conceive of. Watching Doctor Who could help maybe.
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EternalDragon
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Or simply non-existent.
An attempt to sweep it under the rug using a reference to a fictional TV series.
Or do you think Doctor Who is for real?
A lot of the scientific concepts used on the show are real.
Just attempting to help explain is all.
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EternalDragon
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Like I said, it's a tough one.
Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Time is not an empirical concept. For neither co-existence nor succession would be perceived by us, if the representation of time did not exist as a foundation a priori. Without this presupposition we could not represent to ourselves that things exist together at one and the same time, or at different times, that is, contemporaneously, or in succession."
Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason (1781), trans. Vasilis Politis (London: Dent., 1991), p.54.
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I see that Oncedeceived has chosen to sit this one out.
Try again: Name a few of these concepts from Doctor Who that would apply to Oncedeceived's god-is-outside-of-time comment, and that are actually real, and not just scientific-sounding terms.
And when the tough get going, the going gets tougher. More sweeping, I see.
Seriously? "Time is not an empirical concept"? Do you or anyone you know have a GPS navigation device? You do know that the clocks in the satellites have to precisely compensate for the relativistic speeds at which they travel? What would an 18th century philosopher know of that?
Try again: Name a few of these concepts from Doctor Who that would apply to Oncedeceived's god-is-outside-of-time comment, and that are actually real, and not just scientific-sounding terms.
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Oncedeceived
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Time was created with the universe. Nothing existed time, space, energy and matter came into existence when the universe did. If God created the universe as we claim then He would obviously be outside of the creation, outside of time.
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