Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[CabVet]

Ya ... that "O" word is just a bad word, isn't it?

Not at all, it is just the wrong one.

Scientists have done more to bring this country down morally than at any other time.

Religion has done much more damage than scientists could ever do.

 

[biggles53]

Scientists have done more to bring this country down morally than at any other time.

That's a patently stupid comment.....

What it says that it is morally superior to remain ignorant of the world around us....!

 

[dad]

That never happened. That is what is called "myth" or "a lie".

How do you know??

I never knew he wanted Moses body, sounds rather nasty. Oh wait, you said Satan. The answer is still the same.

Now you know.

Nope, the lack of any supporting evidence for 2 million people being lost in an incredibly small desert puts the burden of proof upon you. There is no evidence for this event.

No one was ever lost. A Spirit was guiding them. Physical material can vanish you know, when the spiritual is involved. Look at the manna. We do not need to have physical remains.

So now you blame your God. The desert they got lost in could be crossed by foot in a month or less. It took them 40 years according to your book of myth to find their way out of it. That is rather unsporting of you.

They followed a pillar of fire and smoke that God provided. How else do you think they could NOT get out of the dessert in 40 years!?

Aah, you forgot. And you should read your Bible sometime. There are quite a few flat Earth references in it.

No. That is foolishness.

Well, considering that you use the tools of these so called idiots every hour of every day of your life that would make you quite the hypocrite, wouldn't it?

I use real tools actually, and no tool is related to the big bang or a common ancestor of life. Not a one.

Once again, you have it backwards. The articles were clear. You were the one who never understood them. But thanks for admitting it. We can't help you unless you admit your faults.

Patting yourself on the back for spamming religious links is not really an interesting read.

I can't lose for winning.

 

[dad]

You do realise that if the laws of science and all that had been different in the past then the world we see would be very different.

No. I do not realize that. You apparently do not comprehend the scope and reality we are dealing with.

 

[dad]

And there are things we would see if there had been either a global flood or different laws in the past - and we don't see them.

False. We do see them!

 

[dad]

Sub wrote:
Here are some in case anyone is interested:

Bible tells us that the earth is flat like a piece of clay stamped under a seal (Job 38:13-14),

God is talking in that chapter. He is talking of the time when the wicked
will be shaken. Those familiar with prophesy know that a great shaking comes at the end of man's rule on earth. The Tribulation period. It is also in that time that the mountains will be flattened. Making clay a different shape is a good example. In that time also the stars and sun will go dark.



Now read the verses again and see if you can get a grasp of what it may be talking about...


13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It is changed as clay under the seal; And [all things] stand forth as a garment: 15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, And the high arm is broken.

that it has edges as only a flat plane would (Job 38:13-14,.Psa 19:4),

Nonsensical association attempt.

has a length as only a flat plane would (Dan 4:11, Job 11:9, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Job 38:13, Job 38:44, Jrm 16:19), that it is a circular disk (Isa 40:22), and that its entire surface can be seen from a high tree (Dan 4:10-11) or mountain (Matt 4:8), which is impossible for a sphere, but possible for a flat disk. Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, any one of these passages shows a flat earth. Taken together, they are even more clear. And many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.

Conflation of blather. (I wonder how old Poe is doing out there?) The tree in a dream represented the domain of king Nebuchadnezzar. He ruled 'all the earth' or so it was considered in that day. When the tree was cut down, that was representative of how the king would be humbled..


20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth; 21 whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their habitation: 22 it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth. 23 And whereas the king saw a watcher and a holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew down the tree, and destroy it; nevertheless leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth, even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field, and let it be wet with the dew of heaven: and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him; 24 this is the interpretation, O king, and it is the decree of the Most High, which is come upon my lord the king: 25 that thou shalt be driven from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and thou shalt be made to eat grass as oxen, and shalt be wet with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee; till thou know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.


This is not a passage about a flat earth, but about a king.

 

[Kylie]

False. We do see them!

No we don't. But, feel free to show me where you see these things that show there was a global flood and different laws in the past. Please provide sources - valid sources.

 

[EternalDragon]

No we don't. But, feel free to show me where you see these things that show there was a global flood and different laws in the past. Please provide sources - valid sources.

Fossil record, Grand Canyon, flood stories around the globe? Those ring a bell? If not there is always the history as recorded in the bible.

I do believe those are all valid sources.

 

[Kylie]

Fossil record, Grand Canyon, flood stories around the globe? Those ring a bell? If not there is always the history as recorded in the bible.

I do believe those are all valid sources.

Actually, they aren't.

There are many things about the fossil record that do not make sense if they were laid down during a global flood that happened over a short period of time. Why do we see such clear layers? Creationists say it is due to hydrological sorting, but the explanation doesn't match the actual layers and fossil sizes we find.

And if the flood caused the grand canyon, why did it happen in this one place and not in many places all over the world?

And why should flood stories around the world mean that there was a single global flood? After all, many places flooded, and many of the different flood stories are incompatible with the story of Noah. besides, if Noah was the only survivor, why would there be different stories at all?

And many things recorded in the Bible are mentioned nowhere else. How can we verify these stories?

In short, they aren't valid sources. They are either uncheckable or do not match the evidence from the real world.

 

[AV1611VET]

They are either uncheckable or do not match the evidence from the real world.

Awww -- now that's just a shame.

 

[Kylie]

Awww -- now that's just a shame.

I can live with it. Can you?

 

[dad]

No we don't. But, feel free to show me where you see these things that show there was a global flood and different laws in the past. Please provide sources - valid sources.

I see God's word. I see science that knows not. All things I see agree that there was a flood. Name anything at all you think doesn't!!

 

[dad]

Actually, they aren't.

There are many things about the fossil record that do not make sense if they were laid down during a global flood that happened over a short period of time.

The fossil record was not laid down in any flood year.

Why do we see such clear layers? Creationists say it is due to hydrological sorting, but the explanation doesn't match the actual layers and fossil sizes we find.

No. It is due to many centuries of things dying before the flood and after. But since most life could not fossilize such as man, what we do see as fossils is not representative of life on earth! It is too limited.

And if the flood caused the grand canyon, why did it happen in this one place and not in many places all over the world?

I doubt the flood caused the Grand Canyon.

And why should flood stories around the world mean that there was a single global flood? After all, many places flooded, and many of the different flood stories are incompatible with the story of Noah. besides, if Noah was the only survivor, why would there be different stories at all?

Many of the stories are not about some local flood.

And many things recorded in the Bible are mentioned nowhere else. How can we verify these stories?

How can you dispute them! If God gave the only record, why even expect other records from post flood pagans!!!??

 

[Kylie]

I see God's word. I see science that knows not. All things I see agree that there was a flood. Name anything at all you think doesn't!!

Name something from the Bible that doesn't work? Start at the beginning with the two contradictory accounts of creation.

 

[Kylie]

The fossil record was not laid down in any flood year.

And what do you mean by "flood year"?

No. It is due to many centuries of things dying before the flood and after. But since most life could not fossilize such as man, what we do see as fossils is not representative of life on earth! It is too limited.

Then why do we see such clearly defined layers? Why do we never see a t rex with a stegosaurus?

And your claim that humans can't fossilise is wrong. Given the right conditions, human bones will fossilise just as readily as the bones of another animal.

I doubt the flood caused the Grand Canyon.

At least you got something right. But many creationists think it did.

Many of the stories are not about some local flood.

Ditto.

How can you dispute them! If God gave the only record, why even expect other records from post flood pagans!!!??

We have reality. We go and look at what is in the real world, not some old book.

 

[Ginger123]

flood stories around the globe?

This is strange, how many people survived the flood to write about it? the story said only eight people survived,
there were no people anywhere on earth to write about anything until the earth was repopulated, everyone was dead, don't you think it's about time you started to think about the lies you believe.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is strange, how many people survived the flood to write about it? the story said only eight people survived,
there were no people anywhere on earth to write about anything until the earth was repopulated, everyone was dead, don't you think it's about time you started to think about the lies you believe.

QV please:

I don't think it takes a Rhodes scholar to see that Nimrod wasn't even present during the Flood; but Shem ... who lived right up to the time of Jacob ... was.

As I have said before, I can envision Shem and Nimrod having one doosey of an argument over "Nimrod's garbage".

Probably going something like this:

Shem: What's this trash you wrote, Nimrod; are you okay!?
Nimrod: Don't start on me again, uncle; you've always looked down on us Hamites.
Shem: That's garbage too! You used to be a mighty hunter before the LORD, what went wrong?
Nimrod: You think you Shemites are so much better than us, just because my grandfather was cursed for what his father did to your father in that tent that day.
Shem: I watched you grow up, Nimrod, and how you used to love the LORD so much; but somewhere along the line you went astray and broke away from the rest of us and went and formed your own little empire. Well ... you do what you want, but as long as I live, I'll make sure my eyewitness testimony trumps your lies.
Nimrod: And what makes you an authority on the Flood over me?
Shem: I was there! Remember??? I was on the Ark ... you weren't!
Nimrod: Oh, that's right ... somehow I forgot ... what with there being no evidence and all.
Shem: [facepalms]

 

[Ginger123]

This is strange, how many people survived the flood to write about it? the story said only eight people survived,
there were no people anywhere on earth to write about anything until the earth was repopulated, everyone was dead, don't you think it's about time you started to think about the lies you believe.

QV please:

What does that mean?
What has that got to do with - flood stories around the globe?

 

[AV1611VET]

What does that mean?

What has that got to do with - flood stories around the globe?

1. Flood stories around the globe were written after-the-fact by people who weren't there and experienced it themselves.

2. Flood stories around the globe contradict the Bible in details.

3. Flood stories around the globe came from Satan and are examples of what we call "diabolical plagiarism."

4. Flood stories around the globe can take a hike.

 

[EternalDragon]

This is strange, how many people survived the flood to write about it? the story said only eight people survived,
there were no people anywhere on earth to write about anything until the earth was repopulated, everyone was dead, don't you think it's about time you started to think about the lies you believe.

Noah lived for 350 years after the flood. His sons were younger than him so probably lived longer than that after the flood. Passing their history on to their families and others.

So no, the flood stories are not strange at all.