Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[AV1611VET]

"Whisked away" at what speed?

At the speed of God's will.

Ok then. What about the Grand Canyon? Was it created during creation week, between creation and the flood or after the flood?

After the Flood ... Genesis 10, to be exact.

What about fossils? Did the all go extinct at the same time because of the flood?

-- What?

Fossils don't go extinct.

 

[Kylie]

Yes! How will the world be different in the future? God. He controls stuff. Apparently the stuff long ago was quite different from today! That makes claims of science based on a belief of this present state being the key to the past religious twaddle stuff.

Break free and live people. God is real after all.

Um....

you got anything real to back up this claim?

 

[CabVet]

At the speed of God's will.

Very precise.

After the Flood ... Genesis 10, to be exact.

Good, so explain to me what signs in the earth show that it is "mature". I am just trying to understand your "maturity without age" reasoning.

-- What?

Fossils don't go extinct.

By "all" I meant species, but maybe I wasn't clear enough. Here, let me try again. What about fossils? Did all species that no longer exist but left fossils (i.e. went extinct) disappear at the same time because of the flood? Or was it a gradual process?

 

[AV1611VET]

Good, so explain to me what signs in the earth show that it is "mature".

Its age.

Its ability to perform what it was made to do.

I am just trying to understand your "maturity without age" reasoning.

It's maturity without history -- not maturity without age.

Why would it be without age, if age was embedded in it?

 

[dad]

Um....

you got anything real to back up this claim?

Yes. The clear differences recorded in the record of the bible. Science is not equipped to tackle the issue, it just assumes a present state.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes. The clear differences recorded in the record of the bible. Science is not equipped to tackle the issue, it just assumes a present state.

In other words:

"No."

 

[dad]

In other words:

"No."

Yes. The clear differences recorded in the record of the bible. Science is not equipped to tackle the issue, it just assumes a present state existed. So yes yes yes!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes. The clear differences recorded in the record of the bible. Science is not equipped to tackle the issue, it just assumes a present state existed. So yes yes yes!

Ah book written by a bunch of ignorant goat herders that has a terribly evil self centered God and portrays the Earth as flat and everything rotating around it.

So you still have nothing, nothing, nothing!

 

[dad]

Ah book written by a bunch of ignorant goat herders

Moses was one of the heads of Egypt actually. Paul was learned, Luke was a physician, Daniel was wiser than the wise men. At least if and when people of God herded sheep or goats, it likely was related to eating. I pity the goats of Sodom.

...God and portrays the Earth as flat and everything rotating around it.

Old wives tale. Not true.

Science is flat, and thinks everything revolves around it!

Science does not know the state of the past. In the creation debate issues, it is in a very special club.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Moses was one of the heads of Egypt actually. Paul was learned, Luke was a physician, Daniel was wiser than the wise men. At least if and when people of God herded sheep or goats, it likely was related to eating. I pity the goats of Sodom.

No, Moses was a myth. There was no Exodus from Egypt. Again, the Egyptians would have noticed. People would have been laughing at the group of roughly 2 million Jews who were lost in a relatively small desert for 40 years.

Luke was what passed for a physician back in those days. A three month course at the most. Daniel was clearly not all that wise, if he existed at all.

Old wives tale. Not true.

Nope, true. We have been over this before. You lost. As Christians who won't face the truth always do.

Science is flat, and thinks everything revolves around it!

No, science just does the best job possible to describe our Earth. It is not "flat" in any way at all.

Science does not know the state of the past. In the creation debate issues, it is in a very special club.

Sure it does. You have been shown articles that we know the laws of physics were the same hundreds of millions of years ago as they are now. Please, try to be honest once in your life.

 

[dad]

No, Moses was a myth.

You know this how? Name the look alike who appeared on the mountain in front of John and Peter with Jesus???

Why did Satan dispute for the body of Moses if he never existed??

There was no Exodus from Egypt.

Prove it.

Again, the Egyptians would have noticed.

I doubt they would have recorded the event. In fact, that seems to be the case. Human nature is what it is. Ignominious defeat is not something all people want to shout on the roof top.

People would have been laughing at the group of roughly 2 million Jews who were lost in a relatively small desert for 40 years.

Not lost in any way. God led them. Try not to make stuff up.

Luke was what passed for a physician back in those days. A three month course at the most.

Source?

Daniel was clearly not all that wise, if he existed at all.

Even God referred to his wisdom! Clearly kings called upon his wisdom. Jesus called him a prophet. Cut the sour grapes.

Nope, true. We have been over this before. You lost. As Christians who won't face the truth always do.

No idea what you are talking about. The bible does not tell of any silly flat earth. Is your position so weak that you now rely on invented wins??

No, science just does the best job possible to describe our Earth.

Best job possible for idiots.
Not saying much. Unless one realizes that there is more than just the physical (science only deals in the physical) one truly is literally idiotic in scope of knowledge. Fools as God puts it. A modern term for the modeling and claims of science might be raving lunatics.

Sure it does. You have been shown articles that we know the laws of physics were the same hundreds of millions of years ago as they are now. Please, try to be honest once in your life.

No. None at all ever. Really. If you misunderstood some articles do not blame others.



Noah was apparently alive in the early years of Abraham. Tradition says they met. Peleg was also alive at this same time. Do you think all Jewish tradition is bogus also?

 

[CabVet]

Its age.

Its ability to perform what it was made to do.

A zero year old planet can perform the same way the earth does.

It's maturity without history -- not maturity without age.

Why would it be without age, if age was embedded in it?

Yeah, the argument is so illogical that I confused myself. Let me put it this way: a piece of rock in space does not need to have 4.5 billion years of "maturity" to support human life.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know this how? Name the look alike who appeared on the mountain in front of John and Peter with Jesus???

That never happened. That is what is called "myth" or "a lie".

Why did Satan dispute for the body of Moses if he never existed??

Sorry Santa is another myth. I never knew he wanted Moses body, sounds rather nasty. Oh wait, you said Satan. The answer is still the same.

Prove it.

Nope, the lack of any supporting evidence for 2 million people being lost in an incredibly small desert puts the burden of proof upon you. There is no evidence for this event.

I doubt they would have recorded the event. In fact, that seems to be the case. Human nature is what it is. Ignominious defeat is not something all people want to shout on the roof top.

Nope, you don't get off this easily. Once again, your myth, if you want to pretend that it is real it is up to you to find evidence for it.

C'mon dad, amaze u.

Not lost in any way. God led them. Try not to make stuff up.
Source?

So now you blame your God. The desert they got lost in could be crossed by foot in a month or less. It took them 40 years according to your book of myth to find their way out of it. That is rather unsporting of you.
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Even God referred to his wisdom! Clearly kings called upon his wisdom. Jesus called him a prophet. Cut the sour grapes.[/quote]


Is this the same God that you just said was to dumb to lead his people in a straight line through a small desert? You are not doing yourself any favors here.

No idea what you are talking about. The bible does not tell of any silly flat earth. Is your position so weak that you now rely on invented wins??

Aah, you forgot. And you should read your Bible sometime. There are quite a few flat Earth references in it.

Best job possible for idiots.
Not saying much. Unless one realizes that there is more than just the physical (science only deals in the physical) one truly is literally idiotic in scope of knowledge. Fools as God puts it. A modern term for the modeling and claims of science might be raving lunatics.

Well, considering that you use the tools of these so called idiots every hour of every day of your life that would make you quite the hypocrite, wouldn't it?

Face it dad, we all know who the real fool is here.

No. None at all ever. Really. If you misunderstood some articles do not blame others.

Once again, you have it backwards. The articles were clear. You were the one who never understood them. But thanks for admitting it. We can't help you unless you admit your faults.

Noah was apparently alive in the early years of Abraham. Tradition says they met. Peleg was also alive at this same time. Do you think all Jewish tradition is bogus also?

If it relies on myth, of course.

Poor dad, still stuck on a losing course.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, Moses was a myth.

Did Abraham exist?

 

[Kylie]

Yes. The clear differences recorded in the record of the bible. Science is not equipped to tackle the issue, it just assumes a present state.

You do realise that if the laws of science and all that had been different in the past then the world we see would be very different.

 

[AV1611VET]

You do realise that if the laws of science and all that had been different in the past then the world we see would be very different.

So what? you guys claim that anyway.

For instance, you say the same thing about a global flood.

 

[Kylie]

And there are things we would see if there had been either a global flood or different laws in the past - and we don't see them.

 

[CabVet]

So what? you guys claim that anyway.

For instance, you say the same thing about a global flood.

That's because not only there is no evidence one happened, but also there is plenty of evidence against it.

You still didn't answer my question about the "maturity" of the earth. If created with the right conditions (as Genesis says it was), this planet would support human life at age zero. Why the 4.5 billion years of "maturity without history"?

 

[Papias]

Sub wrote:

dad wrote

No idea what you are talking about. The bible does not tell of any silly flat earth.

Aah, you forgot. And you should read your Bible sometime. There are quite a few flat Earth references in it.

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Here are some in case anyone is interested:

Bible tells us that the earth is flat like a piece of clay stamped under a seal (Job 38:13-14), that it has edges as only a flat plane would (Job 38:13-14,.Psa 19:4), has a length as only a flat plane would (Dan 4:11, Job 11:9, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Job 38:13, Job 38:44, Jrm 16:19), that it is a circular disk (Isa 40:22), and that its entire surface can be seen from a high tree (Dan 4:10-11) or mountain (Matt 4:8), which is impossible for a sphere, but possible for a flat disk. Taken literally, as the YECs insist we do, any one of these passages shows a flat earth. Taken together, they are even more clear. And many Christians in history have interpreted it as such.

Papias

 

[AV1611VET]

Why the 4.5 billion years of "maturity without history"?

Luke 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.