So can the Genesis be infallible and inerrant history?

[TLK Valentine]

Do you take that "freedom" to your boss?

"Sorry, boss; but when you tell me to either work here for you, or I'm fired; this is clearly a case of one not having free will. Either work for us or be fired. Sorry, but I would rather be fired than to succumb to blackmail."

Actually, the proper response would be "I quit."

My boss can't shoot me for that.

 

[mzungu]

Do you take that "freedom" to your boss?

"Sorry, boss; but when you tell me to either work here for you, or I'm fired; this is clearly a case of one not having free will. Either work for us or be fired. Sorry, but I would rather be fired than to succumb to blackmail."

If you get fired then you can look for another job. However, if you are sent to eternal damnation; I seriously doubt if the devil will let you go.

I have corrected your post to reflect better the situation:

"Sorry, boss; but when you tell me to either work here for you, or I'll be SHOT; this is clearly a case of one not having free will. Either work for us or be EXECUTED. Sorry, but I would rather be SHOT than to succumb to blackmail."

 

[AV1611VET]

If you get fired then you can look for another job. However, if you are sent to eternal damnation; I seriously doubt if the devil will let you go.

I have corrected your post to reflect better the situation:

"Sorry, boss; but when you tell me to either work here for you, or I'll be SHOT; this is clearly a case of one not having free will. Either work for us or be EXECUTED. Sorry, but I would rather be SHOT than to succumb to blackmail."

Actually, my example isn't a good one since I have you already employed; meaning you can't be shot (once saved; always saved).

So rather than come up with one more appropriate, I'll just dismiss it as an emotional remark.

Someone's been watching too many RAMBO flicks.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Actually, my example isn't a good one since I have you already employed; meaning you can't be shot (once saved; always saved).

So rather than come up with one more appropriate, I'll just dismiss it as an emotional remark.

Someone's been watching too many RAMBO flicks.

Can't even be bothered to come up with a good example then, AV?

 

[mzungu]

Actually, my example isn't a good one since I have you already employed; meaning you can't be shot (once saved; always saved).

So rather than come up with one more appropriate, I'll just dismiss it as an emotional remark.

Someone's been watching too many RAMBO flicks.

How do you know you are saved? So many people (like you) believe they have been saved and yet some commit sins like adultery, stealing, even murder. Unless you can show us that God personally declared someone saved and that person till his dying days has remained true to God's wishes then and only then can anyone claim to be saved.

Also you can be employed and quit. What if the boss told you you cannot quit? What if he told you if you quit you will be shot? Quitting the faith invariably carries the punishment of eternal damnation; so free will is not possible either way.

I do not watch Rambo flicks as I prefer quality films and not trash!

 

[AV1611VET]

Can't even be bothered to come up with a good example then, AV?

Meh ... he's probably been watching too many RAMBO movies.

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you know you are saved? So many people (like you) believe they have been saved and yet some commit sins like adultery, stealing, even murder.

Dear me.

Was David saved?

After all, he spied on Bathsheba, wanted her, had her husband placed on the front lines of the battle, had the troops withdraw and leave him standing there to die, then took the widow Bathsheba to wife.

And yet Kent Hovind is considered worse than David.

Why?

Probably because he dared step on holy ground and take on scientists; the ultimate unpardonable sin.

 

[mzungu]

Dear me.

Was David saved?

After all, he spied on Bathsheba, wanted her, had her husband placed on the front lines of the battle, had the troops withdraw and leave him standing there to die, then took the widow Bathsheba to wife.

And yet Kent Hovind is considered worse than David.

Why?

Probably because he dared step on holy ground and take on scientists; the ultimate unpardonable sin.

Ever heard of a RED HERRING AV

 

[AV1611VET]

Ever heard of a RED HERRING AV

Ever heard of a RED HEIFER mzungu

Numbers 19:2 This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

 

[mzungu]

Ever heard of a RED HEIFER mzungu

Numbers 19:2 This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

I really don't know how you always manage to reply with something totally irrelevant to the question posed. You should have become a politician

 

[AV1611VET]

I really don't know how you always manage to reply with something totally irrelevant to the question posed. You should have become a politician

Then could I complain that a lack of education is a bane on the population, while at the same time vote to triple our country's education expenses?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dear me.

Was David saved?

After all, he spied on Bathsheba, wanted her, had her husband placed on the front lines of the battle, had the troops withdraw and leave him standing there to die, then took the widow Bathsheba to wife.

Being "saved" doesn't mean a whole lot, does it?

And yet Kent Hovind is considered worse than David.

Kent Hovind is considered worse than Trench Foot.

Why?

Probably because he dared step on holy ground and take on scientists; the ultimate unpardonable sin.

Sorry, no. David has for more followers to make excuses for him -- Hovind doesn't have that big a fan base.

But by all means, continue to defend him.

 

[AV1611VET]

Being "saved" doesn't mean a whole lot, does it?

Too bad you can't ask the martyrs.

 

[EternalDragon]

How do you know you are saved? So many people (like you) believe they have been saved and yet some commit sins like adultery, stealing, even murder. Unless you can show us that God personally declared someone saved and that person till his dying days has remained true to God's wishes then and only then can anyone claim to be saved.

I'm glad you asked. You can know you are saved by who you know and who knows you.

John 10:1, 9, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber... I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

 

[mzungu]

I'm glad you asked. You can know you are saved by who you know and who knows you.

John 10:1, 9, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber... I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The problem is that by citing scripture; you are in essence not answering my question as there are many religions that claim to be the true faith. How can one know one is saved?

 

[frogman2x]

There's no evidence Cain's sons invented Bronze. Bronze appears in numerous early cultures, like the early Greeks and Chinese, before these groups even had any real interaction with each other.

Of course they got it from the technique invented by Tubal-Cain. So unless you can give me a specific name as to who invented bronze, I have a written record, which is more than you have.

 

[lasthero]

So unless you can give me a specific name as to who invented bronze, I have a written record, which is more than you have.

No, you have a claim - that the Tubal-Cain, as mentioned in the Bible, was the first to create bronze. This claim is not supported by the evidence. The evidence is the appearance of bronze in different cultures, cultures that had absolutely no contact with the one the created the Bible. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that the Chinese, for instance, learned how to make bronze from Tubal-Cain. There's nothing to even suggest the Chinese knew such a person existed, if he existed at all.

There was no one inventor for bronze, just like there was no one inventor for boats, or for spears, or sword, or any of the other tools and weapons that appear in different cultures, even ones that never interacted with each other until thousands of years after their cultures met. For instance, when the Europeans first arrived in America, the Inca had just started to discover Bronze, and it was widely unknown to Native Americans.

There's an abundance of evidence to suggest bronze had no single inventor, and next to nothing suggesting it did.

 

[frogman2x]

How do you know you are saved? So many people (like you) believe they have been saved and yet some commit sins like adultery, stealing, even murder. Unless you can show us that God personally declared someone saved and that person till his dying days has remained true to God's wishes then and only then can anyone claim to be saved.

You know even less about Christianity than you do about biology.

 

[lasthero]

You know even less about Christianity than you do about biology.

Dude. Just stop.

 

[Etheri]

In short: How do I know the Bible is not just mythology?