Is anyone else watching the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur?

[simonthezealot]

If you read the four Gospels you will find a good bit there about healing. I could insert a large amount of scripture here. And nowhere does scripture suggest that it would all come to a stop after the Apostles.

Considered how well discipled the Apostles were when they had the audacity to tell a lame man to rise up and walk... A man they did not know! A man in a Jewish temple!

Are you an apostle?

 

[simonthezealot]

Power in Jesus Name (Full Version) - YouTube

Our prayers should be; “For His glory, in honor of His purposes, and according to His will" That's praying in Jesus name!

It means doing thing in compliance with the character of whose name we are praying...

Such as...
In Matthew 18:2 Jesus speaks of being gathered “in My name”.
In Mark 9:37 He said to receive a child “in My name”.
In Mark 9:41 He speaks of giving a cup of cold water “in My name”.
John 1:12 says that we become children of God when we believe “in His name”.
John 20:31 says that by believing we “have life in His name” -

 

[rockytopva]

Are you an apostle?

The promises are for those who believe. Nowhere in scripture does it even hint otherwise.


And Jesus said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. - Matthew 8:13

And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. - Matthew 9:28

Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. - Mark 9:23

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. - Mark 11:23

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. - Mark 11:24

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. - Mark 16:16-18

While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master. But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole. - Luke 8:49-51

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: - John 1:12

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. - John 14:11-13

Finally, I would not want anyone praying for me that did not believe for the request on my behalf.

 

[simonthezealot]

But what I think is REALLY going on, is that those who criticize Walker's worship tunes are the same people who dislike Bill Johnson & his church (Bethel) and since Kim is a worship leader there, they have to try to find some way to slam her too.

Kim and Jesus Culture endorse and represent Bethel Church, she is a minister there.
Guilt by more than association...Endorsement.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

LOL, right...How about the apostle PAUL.
The thorn. WOW!

That's all you could come up with? That thorn was a messenger of satan = a spirit, and it served a purpose.
Try again friend

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Oh oh how bout Lazarus..

Jesus healed Lazarus = He was more than healed, he was raised from the dead.
Try another search engine friend, maybe you'll find something if you use a different one?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Paul had an infirmity of the flesh, the woman bowed down who couldnt lift herself up had what was called a "spirit of" infirmity.

Satan is shown in Job being able to touch flesh and bone

 

[simonthezealot]

That's all you could come up with? That thorn was a messenger of satan = a spirit, and it served a purpose.
Try again friend

Jesus refused to heal him.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Jesus loosed the woman of the spirit of infirmity, but Gods grace was sufficient for Paul not to remove "this thing" the three times he beseeched him to.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Originally Posted by HisSparkPlug
But what I think is REALLY going on, is that those who criticize Walker's worship tunes are the same people who dislike Bill Johnson & his church (Bethel) and since Kim is a worship leader there, they have to try to find some way to slam her too.

Kim and Jesus Culture endorse and represent Bethel Church, she is a minister there.
Guilt by more than association...Endorsement.

^^^ And here it is = A written confession from SimontheZealot telling us that the real reason he hates Kim Walker's worship music is actually because he hates Bill Johnson & Bethel Church.
Thanks for coming clean

To be honest, I don't much care about people disagreeing with the deeper things of God.. but the persecution is really unnecessary and those who are still young in the Lord can be very hurt by all the arguing.

Charismatics have been persecuted for generations by those who are legalistic saying "God doesn't" and "God can't". I already went through my times of questioning and Abba brought me out into truth. I know what the Word says about the gifts = Even someone with a carnal mind can see the end times officially began with the reinstatement of Israel (read Ezekiel) and then look at Acts chptr 2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

This can't be explained away.

What I feel bad about mainly is the fact that cessationists & those who deny the gifts are missing out on so much joy and wonder of the Lord. Fact of the matter is that no amount of bickering is going to change their minds - Only Abba God can do that, and so that is what I pray towards. He is the "mind changer" and the one who knows how to reach each person.

 

[simonthezealot]

^^^ And here it is = A written confession from SimontheZealot telling us that the real reason he hates Kim Walker's worship music is actually because he hates Bill Johnson & Bethel Church.
Thanks for coming clean

Nice. Please refrain from adlibbing to my words..I've stated already i care not for her music because it's; droning, repetitious, not theologically sound, and follows that whole bridal pardigm the same stuff they teach in all the NAR churches...Heretical and awful false teaching.

To be honest, I don't much care about people disagreeing with the deeper things of God.. but the persecution is really unnecessary and those who are still young in the Lord can be very hurt by all the arguing.

I'm stating facts you seem to be the one levying personal attacks, IOW persecuting...No skin off my back, scripture tells me this will happen.
When we are called to defend false teaching it is for the very reason you stated above which is to protect those without knowledge in the ways of the Lord.

Charismatics have been persecuted for generations by those who are legalistic saying "God doesn't" and "God can't". I already went through my times of questioning and Abba brought me out into truth. I know what the Word says about the gifts = Even someone with a carnal mind can see the end times officially began with the reinstatement of Israel (read Ezekiel) and then look at Acts chptr 2

Charismatics have not been around for "generations" and why would you insinuate that folk like me are legalistic? nothing could be further from the truth

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

Yes the day of pentecost, what of it? fulfillment of Joel prophecy.

What I feel bad about mainly is the fact that cessationists & those who deny the gifts are missing out on so much joy and wonder of the Lord. Fact of the matter is that no amount of bickering is going to change their minds - Only Abba God can do that, and so that is what I pray towards. He is the "mind changer" and the one who knows how to reach each person.

Why do you keep insinuating that we are without joy???
The joy of the Lord is my strength...
I even find joy in trials and tribulation because I know the Lord is at work.
His grace is sufficient..

 

[Dusky Mouse]

Kim and Jesus Culture endorse and represent Bethel Church, she is a minister there.
Guilt by more than association...Endorsement.

You are registered as a non-Denominational Christian here.
Who are you to cast stones at a minister of a revivalist church? Perhaps you should seek God's council as to why you imagine boasting zealotry, per your screen name, and demonstrating hostility toward fellow Christians appears to be found necessary by you, as you engage this eclectic Christian community who share and speak of God's word.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Nice. Please refrain from adlibbing to my words..

I've not added a thing - what you wrote is clear for all to see.

I see no place I've personally attacked anyone. I've used some humour in discussion, didn't you find the gifs posted funny? lol
If one goes back thru the posts on this thread, people will see multitudes of your posts in which you have "flooded" the thread with repetitious posts, one after the other.. sometimes 3 or 4 in a row with very negative talk making judgements against ministries you know nothing of & trying to draw people into an argument with you. No one else does that (besides Tza who posts the same video repeatedly which I've not watched).

How you approach this subject is slanderous and rude and has been all along. Personally I find it a bit amusing because it's clear what you're trying to do. The cessationist 'church' has attacked the disciples of Yeshua from New Testament days and you're still doing it = And yes, the bible tells us to expect it

"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me" - Matt 5:11

So we are blessed! = and indeed, we're insulted & persecuted because of Jesus = We are called to do as He did, live as He did, and follow His example, healing the sick, casting out demons, performing miracles.. the more we allow Him to sanctify us and bring truth to our heart/soul, the more we walk in His power and Spirit. I wouldn't trade it for the world = persecute all you want; the fact of the matter is my walk with Abba is worth it, praise God.

It is the end days and Joel's prophecy is and was a continuation of the promises of God. There is so much more for us to continue on in and lay hold of. When one can have joy in REAL tribulation, that is God.... such as being homeless with no place to lay one's head, persecuted, called a liar, being lied about, being lied to, attacked by those who claim to belong to Jesus, without money, beaten, and abandoned by people who claimed to care. THAT is real persecution my friend.. not the silly little things most people in North America claim are 'persecution' while they sit in their lovely warm houses filling their faces and pockets with all the delicacies of this world all while being entertained to spiritual death..... and dare say you're enduring 'tribulation' while doing it.. it's just comical.

SELAH .. think about it.

 

[Fireinfolding]

This is funny, I dont know what Bill Johnson teaches, I'm pretty much the oddball out, Im really not up with who is teaching what out there, so I thought, let me take a peek. Well I havent gotten there yet...turns out the first video I fall upon is mostly of this child here (its short)

Her demeaner and expressions, even her mispronunciations are the spitting image of my own daughter

Bill Johnson - Bethel Church, Redding CA - HEALING VIDEO "3-year-old rejoicing" - YouTube

My husband just come home from work and I had to show him this video because its just so adorable, I said, who does that remind you of?

Our daughter.

Same excitement and way about her

I thought that video was cute though, children praising God has always blessed me though, I think its precious.

 

[Dusky Mouse]

That is so precious.

 

[Dusky Mouse]

Jesus refused to heal him.

Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn [splinter] in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself!
Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.”
Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong (2 Corinthians 12:7-10).



Matthew Henry Commentary 2 Corinthians 12:7-10


....2. The design of this was to keep the apostle humble: Lest he should be exalted above measure, 2 Cor. 12:7. Paul himself knew he had not yet attained, neither was already perfect; and yet he was in danger of being lifted up with pride. If God love us, he will hide pride from us, and keep us from being exalted above measure; and spiritual burdens are ordered, to cure spiritual pride. This thorn in the flesh is said to be a messenger of Satan, which he did not send with a good design, but on the contrary, with ill intentions, to discourage the apostle (who had been so highly favoured of God) and hinder him in his work. But God designed this for good, and he overruled it for good, and made this messenger of Satan to be so far from being a hindrance that it was a help to the apostle.
3. The apostle prayed earnestly to God for the removal of this sore grievance. Note, Prayer is a salve for every sore, a remedy for every malady; and when we are afflicted with thorns in the flesh we should give ourselves to prayer. Therefore we are sometimes tempted that we may learn to pray. The apostle besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from him, 2 Cor. 12:8. Note, Though afflictions are sent for our spiritual benefit, yet we may pray to God for the removal of them: we ought indeed to desire also that they may reach the end for which they are designed. The apostle prayed earnestly, and repeated his requests; he besought the Lord thrice, that is, often. So that if an answer be not given to the first prayer, nor to the second, we must hold on, and hold out, till we receive an answer. Christ himself prayed to his Father thrice. As troubles are sent to teach us to pray, so they are continued to teach us to continue instant in prayer.
4. We have an account of the answer given to the apostle’s prayer, that, although the trouble was not removed, yet an equivalent should be granted: My grace is sufficient for thee. Note, (1.) Though God accepts the prayer of faith, yet he does not always answer it in the letter; as he sometimes grants in wrath, so he sometimes denies in love. (2.) When God does not remove our troubles and temptations, yet, if he gives us grace sufficient for us, we have no reason to complain, nor to say that he deals ill by us. It is a great comfort to us, whatever thorns in the flesh we are pained with, that God’s grace is sufficient for us. Grace signifies two things:—[1.] The good-will of God towards us, and this is enough to enlighten and enliven us, sufficient to strengthen and comfort us, to support our souls and cheer up our spirits, in all afflictions and distresses. [2.] The good work of God in us, the grace we receive from the fulness that is in Christ our head; and from him there shall be communicated that which is suitable and seasonable, and sufficient for his members. Christ Jesus understands our case, and knows our need, and will proportion the remedy to our malady, and not only strengthen us, but glorify himself. His strength is made perfect in our weakness. Thus his grace is manifested and magnified; he ordains his praise out of the mouths of babes and sucklings.
III. Here is the use which the apostle makes of this dispensation: He gloried in his infirmities (2 Cor. 12:9), and took pleasure in them, 2 Cor. 12:10. He does not mean his sinful infirmities (those we have reason to be ashamed of and grieved at), but he means his afflictions, his reproaches, necessities, persecutions, and distresses for Christ’s sake, 2 Cor. 12:10. And the reason of his glory and joy on account of these things was this—they were fair opportunities for Christ to manifest the power and sufficiency of his grace resting upon him, by which he had so much experience of the strength of divine grace that he could say, When I am weak, then am I strong. This is a Christian paradox: when we are weak in ourselves, then we are strong in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ; when we see ourselves weak in ourselves, then we go out of ourselves to Christ, and are qualified to receive strength from him, and experience most of the supplies of divine strength and grace.

 

[Tzaousios]

No one else does that (besides Tza who posts the same video repeatedly which I've not watched).

And why is that, because I posted it?

Also, I have posted much more than mindless repetition. Please do not denigrate my contributions like that because you do not like your assertions challenged.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

This is funny, I dont know what Bill Johnson teaches, I'm pretty much the oddball out, Im really not up with who is teaching what out there, so I thought, let me take a peek. Well I havent gotten there yet...turns out the first video I fall upon is mostly of this child here (its short)
Her demeaner and expressions, even her mispronunciations are the spitting image of my own daughter
My husband just come home from work and I had to show him this video because its just so adorable, I said, who does that remind you of?
Our daughter.
Same excitement and way about her
I thought that video was cute though, children praising God has always blessed me though, I think its precious.

That was tooo cute.. does your daughter still get that excited?
I'm watching this video now.. the whole thing is good but he starts to teach around the 18 minute mark

Bill Johnson Sermons - Becoming Glorious - February 10, 2013 - YouTube

 

[Fireinfolding]

That was tooo cute.. does your daughter still get that excited?
I'm watching this video now.. the whole thing is good but he starts to teach around the 18 minute mark

Bill Johnson Sermons - Becoming Glorious - February 10, 2013 - YouTube

I watched two of his so far, I like the guy, Ill save that to check later.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Jeez, somebody's obsessed with Bill Johnson. Kind of a familiar quality actually, so many people that went to my old church would obsess over the guy like he was some kind of apostle.

No thanks, Bethel, not in a million years.