Is anyone else watching the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur?

[yeshuasavedme]

right!
The song says He heals ALL disease. Just sayin if that were the case He would have healed my brother, but as it is the Lord gives the Lord takes away...Blessed be the name of the Lord.

I'm sorry about your brother. The Adam body is under the curse of sin and death until Jesus raptures in regeneration of the flesh or until one departs it, to await the resurrection of it in regeneration of it.

As far as the song being scripturally correct, it is, cause David wrote under the Anointing the same.


103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

Jesus does today what He did when He walked the earth in His flesh, and He does it through His servants, by His gifts, and also, special answers to prayer.

I have a family relation who wraps her denominational robes about her and demands that God heal by her prayers asking, or asking for general prayer at Church for things, but she absolutely will not recognize that the Holy Spirit gives gifts unto men in the Church, and that we operate as a body.
If we recognize the Holy Spirit given gifts in others, and ask for their prayers for us, and they know they have that gift for us, then we have it from God, through His servants who have been endued with Holy Ghost Power from on high.
Jesus just operates that way, and without acknowledging the gifts He sets in the Church in His servants causes us to die without those gifts for us....needlessly.

 

[LinkH]

More important than abortion...
Wretched: Jesus Culture is more dangerous than bad politics. - YouTube

Can you blame the band for how Google searches work? Unless they have some SEO whizzes for their band, it's not them doing it.

So the guy thinks that thousands of young people praising God and listening to "Oh how He loves us" is worse than the murder of millions of innocent babies?

Where is the wisdom?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Making someone an offender for a word, especially in worship isnt good. I mean he that offends not in word is a perfect man, and I wouldnt expect that of some rock band

 

[HisSparkPlug]

right!
The song says He heals ALL disease. Just sayin if that were the case He would have healed my brother, but as it is the Lord gives the Lord takes away...Blessed be the name of the Lord.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. - Is 53:5

but... He doesn't heal if we don't ASK.. And He doesn't heal if there is no FAITH. Take your pick Zealot!

Then He touched their eyes, saying, "It shall be done to you according to your faith" - Matt 9:29 nasb

Mark 6:1-6 says Jesus went out from there and came into His hometown; and His disciples followed Him. 2 When the Sabbath came, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? 3 “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him. 4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household.” 5 And He could do no miracle there except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He wondered at their unbelief.

 

[simonthezealot]

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. - Is 53:5

The prophecy to Isaiah about "by his stripes" was about Christ's earthly ministry.
Matthew 8:14 And when Jesus entered Peter's house, he saw his mother-in-law lying sick with a fever. 15 He touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she rose and began to serve him. 16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:

 

[HisSparkPlug]

The attack on Jesus Culture / Kim Smith and the beautiful worship they present to the Lord is of no surprise. The enemy bad mouths & tries to discredit all the true people of God. It was done all through the Word to the prophets, saints, and apostles, and it's still done today.
Google ANY public ministry or man/woman of God who's making a difference for the Lord and you'll find some dirt on them. That's the way the enemy works to try to discredit. No surprise, it's to be expected.

That video of the dude at the table imitating Jesus Culture is hilarious tho - They don't sound like that! .. LOL.. too funny! The best part is when SimontheZealot says the music has sexual undertones... haha!

.. I can't get over that, what a joke

Alive - Kim Walker-Smith w/ Lyrics - YouTube

 

[simonthezealot]

but... He doesn't heal if we don't ASK.. And He doesn't heal if there is no FAITH. Take your pick Zealot!

Then He touched their eyes, saying, "It shall be done to you according to your faith" - Matt 9:29 nasb

Wrong, He does not heal if it's not His will.
This is the problem I have with this whole word of faith garbage, the infirmities Christ bore were for spiritual sickness.
What greater faith is there than faith unto salvation?
God's ability to bless does not hang on our faith...SMH
James 4:13 Come now, you who say's “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— 14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

The prophecy to Isaiah about "by his stripes" was about Christ's earthly ministry.
Matthew 8:14 And when Jesus entered Peter's house, he saw his mother-in-law lying sick with a fever. 15 He touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she rose and began to serve him. 16 That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:

Oh pluh-lease ... you're being a funny zealot. Jesus didn't even have His stripes at that point. Did you think He looked like a zebra from birth or something? lol. The "stripes" we are healed by are the stripes He received all over His body before they crucified Him. The promise is to all who have faith to believe and to all who will receive.
He is still fulfilling what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah. Keep in mind that healing was not a new thing introduced by Jesus - God always healed - There's plenty of healing in the OT too.

Go back and read what YeshuaSavedMe posted.

Me thinks Zealot is probably a cessationst who hates worship music

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Wrong, He does not heal if it's not His will.
This is the problem I have with this whole word of faith garbage, the infirmities Christ bore were for spiritual sickness.
What greater faith is there than faith unto salvation?
God's ability to bless does not hang on our faith...SMH
James 4:13 Come now, you who say's “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit”— 14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil.

Find me ONE person in the bible whom Jesus refused to heal. Go on... dig out your bible and find one.

 

[digabeatle]

Find me ONE person in the bible whom Jesus refused to heal. Go on... dig out your bible and find one.

MARK 1 29 And immediately after they came out of the synagogue, they came into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John. 30 Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying sick with a fever ; and immediately they spoke to Jesus about her. 31 And He came to her and raised her up, taking her by the hand, and the fever left her, and she waited on them. 32 When evening came, after the sun had set, they began bringing to Him all who were ill and those who were demon-possessed. 33 And the whole city had gathered at the door. 34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons ; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was. 35 In the early morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house, and went away to a secluded place, and was praying there. 36 Simon and his companions searched for Him; 37 they found Him, and said to Him, "Everyone is looking for You." 38 He said to them, "Let us go somewhere else to the towns nearby, so that I may preach there also ; for that is what I came for." 39 And He went into their synagogues throughout all Galilee, preaching and casting out the demons. 40 And a leper came to Jesus, beseeching Him and falling on his knees before Him, and saying, "If You are willing, You can make me clean." 41 Moved with compassion, Jesus stretched out His hand and touched him, and said to him, "I am willing ; be cleansed." 42 Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cleansed. 43 And He sternly warned him and immediately sent him away, 44 and He said to him, "See that you say nothing to anyone ; but go, show yourself to the priest and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." 45 But he went out and began to proclaim it freely and to spread the news around, to such an extent that Jesus could no longer publicly enter a city, but stayed out in unpopulated areas ; and they were coming to Him from everywhere.

 

[Tzaousios]

The best part is when SimontheZealot says the music has sexual undertones...

Me thinks Zealot is probably a cessationst who hates worship music

No, actually, he is quite right about contemporary worship music. This is coming from someone who has disagreed with simonthezealot on a number of occasions, too.

 

[Dusky Mouse]

More important than abortion...
Wretched: Jesus Culture is more dangerous than bad politics. - YouTube

Google Search: Jesus C
Searches related to Jesus C
jesus c gonzalez
jesus c photos
jesus c blog

jesus c music
jesus c 2010



I stopped searching for Jesus Culture to show up on any of the pages of results in the search result for Jesus C at page 11. It was not hard to discern this guy in the video is shall we say, dishonest in his claim about what pops on Google when someone goes in and searches, capital J e s u s capital C.

Gods Grace gives the faithful the Holy Spirit. And the power of the Holy Spirit enhances the natural talent of that individual and allows them to serve the will of God.

For those in Jesus Culture, and the lead singer especially, their gift is music. And they minister through their music to those whom God intends to hear and be called to repentance, or to glorify his power.

That monotonous drone the man in that video refers to, in my opinion, is not surprising his ears. The demons of the pit hear the name of God and they quake with fear and knowledge that he is God. Is it any wonder then that worship and praise music inspired by God, in honor of God, would affect demons to express other negative reactions as well?

Praise music judged more dangerous than abortion. Abortion kills. Offensive music is taken away with the push of a button or a turn of the dial to, 'off'.
Music, more dangerous than abortion? You shall know them by their fruits.

Kim Walker Smith - Revelation Song - YouTube​

God Bless Kim Walker. The music ministry be protected by angels and praised by those who know God's servant one lyric at a time.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Originally Posted by HisSparkPlug:
Find me ONE person in the bible whom Jesus refused to heal. Go on... dig out your bible and find one.

MARK 1 29 And immediately after they came out of the synagogue, they came into the house of Simon and Andrew, with James and John. 30 Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying sick with a fever ; and immediately they spoke to Jesus about her. 31 And He came to her and raised her up, taking her by the hand, and the fever left her, and she waited on them. 32 When evening came, after the sun had set, they began bringing to Him all who were ill and those who were demon-possessed. 33 And the whole city had gathered at the door. 34 And He healed many who were ill with various diseases, and cast out many demons ; and He was not permitting the demons to speak, because they knew who He was. 35 In the early morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house, and went away to a secluded place, and was praying there. 36 Simon and his companions searched for Him; 37 they found Him, and said to Him, "Everyone is looking for You." 38 He said to them, "Let us go somewhere else to the towns nearby, so that I may preach there also ; for that is what I came for." 39 And He went into their synagogues throughout all Galilee, preaching and casting out the demons. 40 And a leper came to Jesus, beseeching Him and falling on his knees before Him, and saying, "If You are willing, You can make me clean." 41 Moved with compassion, Jesus stretched out His hand and touched him, and said to him, "I am willing ; be cleansed." 42 Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cleansed. 43 And He sternly warned him and immediately sent him away, 44 and He said to him, "See that you say nothing to anyone ; but go, show yourself to the priest and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, as a testimony to them." 45 But he went out and began to proclaim it freely and to spread the news around, to such an extent that Jesus could no longer publicly enter a city, but stayed out in unpopulated areas ; and they were coming to Him from everywhere.

Huh? This only proves He healed everyone who asked .. Wots your point? I don't see anywhere in this scripture where Jesus told someone He wouldn't heal them..

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Originally Posted by HisSparkPlug
The best part is when SimontheZealot says the music has sexual undertones...

No, actually, he is quite right about contemporary worship music. This is coming from someone who has disagreed with simonthezealot on a number of occasions, too.

Ok then...Zealot and Tza
Tell us, does listening to worship music glorifying Jesus turn you boys on physically? lol
I'm really curious and I think it's a fair question since you claim the music is sexual.. heh.. Does it make you want to go out and do something ghastly with a woman?
We're all looking forward to your answers...

 

[rockytopva]

Originally Posted by HisSparkPlug:
Find me ONE person in the bible whom Jesus refused to heal. Go on... dig out your bible and find one.



Huh? This only proves He healed everyone who asked .. Wots your point? I don't see anywhere in this scripture where Jesus told someone He wouldn't heal them..

If you read the four Gospels you will find a good bit there about healing. I could insert a large amount of scripture here. And nowhere does scripture suggest that it would all come to a stop after the Apostles.

Considered how well discipled the Apostles were when they had the audacity to tell a lame man to rise up and walk... A man they did not know! A man in a Jewish temple!

Power in Jesus Name (Full Version) - YouTube

 

[Tzaousios]

Ok then...Zealot and Tza
Tell us, does listening to worship music glorifying Jesus turn you boys on physically? lol
I'm really curious and I think it's a fair question since you claim the music is sexual.. heh.. Does it make you want to go out and do something ghastly with a woman?
We're all looking forward to your answers...

No, one does not have to become "turned on physically" in order to determine that the lyrics have those undertones.

 

[Andrea411]

Have you ever been to Grace Community Church? I am going to assume, based on your comment regarding "MacArthur's church" not drawing young people, that you have not been to a single service. Because I have been to quite a few of the services and there are plenty of young and not so young people. The church has many fellowship groups aimed at college aged and younger with their own individual pastors and a lot of times you will find young people attending both fellowship before MacArthurs 2nd service or after the first and also going to hear MacArthurs sermon as well.

and if you want to talk children believe me the church has an abundance of little ones.


not everyone needs to be performed for, even young people can be fulfilled with singing traditional hymns of praise and worship and hearing careful exposition of The Word of God.

for you to say the church is not drawing the young people is so ridiculous really! I mean you just assumed it, with no basis whatsoever, just made it up to support your point of view how truthful is that? all for what? so you could appear to have some sort of validity?

OK...since MacArthur lumps all charismatics together - show me where Conservative Fundamentalist churches are reaching the youth... where is this revival? J.M. is a celebrity his church will grow bc he's made sure he has his face on TV and controversy always draws a crowd...like a train wreck.
The one thing J.M. is doing by holding this conference is stating he doesn't care about revival unless its a Calvinist Fundamentalist revival that he personally has approved.... bc there is real revival going on around the world and J.M. has insulted many foreign church leaders as well. I think he might be surprised at the blow back bc even Fundies, and Calvinists don't like Christians fighting in public, J.M. didn't just stick to the extremes - he has basically said all charismatics except a very few are worshipping another god... like mormons... so sad, so sick
I don't want to say that J.M. doesn't have a great church or that he has not done things that were good for the kingdom. He seems to have a spotless reputation as far as his personal life goes and thank the Lord for that - we all have had enough scandal for another decade. So even though I disagree with him, I don't want to speak against him personally. Its his heresy hunting and calling out Charismatic leaders, many of whom are within driving distance, he knows them and they seem stunned by his accusations. Apparently his opinions about charismatics have hardened. He is on the wrong side of the scriptures this time and maybe he doesn't like being proven wrong. His Charismatic Chaos, anti-charismatic books etc have not done what he wanted them to. It may be that Calvin is his greatest influence bc I don't recognize this as the Christian behavior from the scriptures.
The basic response from most of the charismatic community is shock and they are being prayerful... not wanting to cause any more disturbance then has been thus far

 

[Andrea411]

No, one does not have to become "turned on physically" in order to determine that the lyrics have those undertones.

The Song of Solomon has those undertones also... to completely throw out sexuality bc something is Christian or spiritual would be to ignore that the bible speaks about sex... and at times is considered erotic. I know most pastors are uncomfortable teaching about it in church - maybe its done more in adult Sunday school... but just bc the lyrics of a song are subtly sensual doesn't make it porn.
...........
J.Mac writes in part... about S of S.
Two people dominate this true-life, dramatic love song. Solomon, whose kingship is mentioned 5 times (1:4, 12; 3:9, 11; 7:5), appears as “the beloved.” The Shulamite maiden (6:13) remains obscure; most likely she was a resident of Shunem, 3 mi. N of Jezreel in lower Galilee. Some suggest she is Pharaoh’s daughter (1 Kin. 3:1), although the Song provides no evidence for this conclusion. Others favor Abishag, the Shunammite who cared for King David (1 Kin. 1:1–4, 15). An unknown maiden from Shunem, whose family had possibly been employed by Solomon (8:11), seems most reasonable. She would have been Solomon’s first wife (Eccl. 9:9), before he sinned by adding 699 other wives and 300 concubines (1 Kin. 11:3).

Minor roles feature several different groups in this book. First, note the not infrequent commentary by “the daughters of Jerusalem” (1:5; 2:7; 3:5; 5:8, 16; 8:4), who might be part of Solomon’s household staff (cf. 3:10). Second, Solomon’s friends join in at 3:6–11; and third, so do the Shulamite’s brothers (8:8, 9). The affirmation of 5:1b would most likely be God’s blessing on the couple’s union. One can follow the narrative by noticing the suggested parts as indicated in headings throughout the song. Where possible variations are reasonable, they will be recognized in the study notes.

The setting combines both rural and urban scenes. Portions take place in the hill country north of Jerusalem, where the Shulamite lived (6:13) and where Solomon enjoyed prominence as a vinegrower and shepherd (Eccl. 2:4–7). The city section includes the wedding and time afterward at Solomon’s abode in Jerusalem (3:6–7:13).

The first spring appears in 2:11–13 and the second in 7:12. Assuming a chronology without gaps, the Song of Solomon took place over a period of time at least one year in length, but probably no longer than two years.

Historical and Theological Themes

All 117 verses in Solomon’s Song have been recognized by the Jews as a part of their sacred writings. Along with Ruth, Esther, Ecclesiastes, and Lamentations, it is included among the OT books of the Megilloth, or “five scrolls.” The Jews read this song at Passover, calling it “the Holy of Holies.” Surprisingly, God is not mentioned explicitly except possibly in 8:6. No formal theological themes emerge. The NT never quotes Solomon’s Song directly (nor Esther, Obadiah, and Nahum).

In contrast to the two distorted extremes of ascetic abstinence and lustful perversion outside of marriage, Solomon’s ancient love song exalts the purity of marital affection and romance. It parallels and enhances other portions of Scripture which portray God’s plan for marriage, including the beauty and sanctity of sexual intimacy between husband and wife. The Song rightfully stands alongside other classic Scripture passages which expand on this theme, e.g., Gen. 2:24; Ps. 45; Prov. 5:15–23; 1 Cor. 7:1–5; 13:1–8; Eph. 5:18–33; Col. 3:18, 19; and 1 Pet. 3:1–7. Hebrews 13:4 captures the heart of this song, “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.”

 

[Tzaousios]

The Song of Solomon has those undertones also... to completely throw out sexuality bc something is Christian or spiritual would be to ignore that the bible speaks about sex... and at times is considered erotic. I know most pastors are uncomfortable teaching about it in church - maybe its done more in adult Sunday school... but just bc the lyrics of a song are subtly sensual doesn't make it porn.

Seriously, do you really want to equivocate between The Song of Solomon, a canonical book of the Bible which the Church has handed down through the ages, with contemporary worship songs?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Song of Solomon is notably not about God, the sexual content is directed at the woman who is the object of the authors affection. Contrast that with these "love songs" that Jesus Culture and IHOP conjure up about the God of the universe.

The Church is the bride of Christ but we are not all a bunch of little brides having our own one-on-one romance with God, that's not how it works.