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Is anyone else watching the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur?

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The Independent Charismatic effort is a global and strong force to be reckoned with. The largest church in the word is not in the United States, it is in Nigeria! Winners Chapel in Lagos, Nigeria, has a seating capacity of over 50,000 and an overflow capacity of over 250,000 people. And has four services each Sunday!

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So? :doh:
Joel Osteens gathering is huge does that mean he teaches any truths? LOL heck no he's a health and wealth prosperity false teacher of the worse kind.
 
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Wow RockyT that is one HUGE church!

The video below is not a man who is a raving lunatic - He's a sensible logical man of God who has never been given to emotionalism. 14 minutes :) Enjoy. I love God's miracles, He can do whatever He wants. If that fact is not in the bible then I don't know what is

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He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart
- Ps 91:4

Anyway, Abba can fight His own fight with the naysayer.

Good luck :wave:
 
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Who does the work of the evangelist these days?
Who picks up the work real evangelists such as Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, and RW Schambach did in the last century? Where are all the tent revivals?

Well lets see ive spoken in prison's numerous times over the past years...Our missions pastor spends more time traveling to third world countries and has sistered in evangelizing and birthing more than 100 churches in the roughest non-christian parts of the world, than he does in our own church.
There are many who are out there doing.
 
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Wow RockyT that is one HUGE church!

The video below is not a man who is a raving lunatic - He's a sensible logical man of God who has never been given to emotionalism. 14 minutes :) Enjoy. I love God's miracles, He can do whatever He wants. If that fact is not in the bible then I don't know what is

Response to Glory Cloud at Bethel - YouTube

He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart
- Ps 91:4

Anyway, Abba can fight His own fight with the naysayer.

Good luck :wave:
Bill Johnson is a FALSE teacher and false prophet.
You have been duly warned.
 
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"The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).

“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you
to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him" (Deuteronomy 13:1-4).
 
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Wow RockyT that is one HUGE church!

The video below is not a man who is a raving lunatic - He's a sensible logical man of God who has never been given to emotionalism. 14 minutes :) Enjoy. I love God's miracles, He can do whatever He wants. If that fact is not in the bible then I don't know what is

Response to Glory Cloud at Bethel - YouTube

He will cover you with his feathers,
and under his wings you will find refuge;
his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart
- Ps 91:4

Anyway, Abba can fight His own fight with the naysayer.

Good luck :wave:
Sorry friend the Lord's word is the sword and our strength in the fight for truth...Why would He battle against His own word.

Ps 91:4 ? really you use that for a defense of demonic activity or planned deception whichever that was?
 
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I find no humor when false teachers are making a mockery of the Holy Spirit and the truth of God's word.

your not the first one to come against a move of God you've plenty of company......... did you ever think maybe the Lord is just trying to get people's attention.... maybe the laughing is healing and gold dust and feathers are just enough to spark an interest to make someone want to go see what all the fuss is about.... bc good old MacArthur's church just isn't drawing our young people and they need God... they need Him so much maybe you should have a little respect for what these people are doing reaching out to a lost generation. Instead you come against everything that doesn't meet your doctrine. God didn't give anyone the correct doctrine bc He is after men's hearts.... if they had the correct doctrine it would just make them more egotistical and self-righteous then most of them are already

Because George Whitefield refused to soft-pedal his preaching, he received a variety of responses. His bluntness sometimes offended people, and many established ministers of his time refused to allow him to speak in their pulpits. While angry listeners occasionally pelted him with everything from rotten fruit to dead cats, many people loved to hear him preach. He delighted the masses with his colorful style, often running around the stage and using dramatic facial and hand gestures. If some people were upset by this, so be it.
Early eighteenth century crowds came to hear George Whitefield by the tens of thousands. When this traveling minister came to town, his meetings were not to be missed. In Philadelphia, a crowd cheered and yelled for George as he stood on a hill outside the central part of the city, mesmerizing the audience with his dynamic message.
"Father Abraham, whom have you in heaven?" he shouted. "Any Episcopalians?"
"No!" the people roared.
"Any Presbyterians?" Whitefield danced around the stage as he spoke, jabbing at the air with his hands.
"No!"
"Any Independents or Seceders. New Sides or Old Sides, any Methodists?"
"No! No! No!" the crowd shouted in reply
He called out, "Whom have you there, then, Father Abraham? We don't know those names here! All who are here are Christians-- believers in Christ, men who have overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of his testimony . . . God help me, God help us all, to forget having names and to become Christians in deed and in truth."
A Great Awakening
George Whitefield was born in 1714 in Gloucester, England. His father died when George was just two years old, leaving his mother to keep their inn running and support her family as best as she could. As a young man, Whitefield considered becoming a preacher and spent hours studying his Bible, often reading late into the night. Shortly before entering Oxford, he was converted to faith in Christ. While at Oxford, he met John and Charles Wesley, forming a friendship that God would use on both sides of the Atlantic to influence multitudes with the Gospel.
All three Englishmen came to America in the 1730s. The movement known as the Great Awakening was just beginning, and this was a time when God's Spirit moved across the emerging nation, drawing people to himself. When Europeans first came to the New World in the early 1600s, some were eager to share their vital faith in Christ with the Native Americans. They desired to create a shining city on a hill that would be an example to the rest of the fallen world, an idea that John Winthrop preached about on his way to Massachusetts.
Many who came to the New World were seeking a country where they could freely practice their faith, unlike the nations from which they fled. But by the early 1700s, traditional churches had largely settled into self-satisfaction. Their preachers delivered dry sermons and avoided speaking about winning souls to Christ. Under this kind of leadership, faith often withered, lacking the vital spark that would make it relevant to their everyday lives.
No Lukewarm Christianity
George Whitefield detested lukewarm Christianity. To him, it was worse than no faith at all. In his ministry, he made every effort to shake churchgoers out of their apathy. He reminded them of Christ's words to the church at Laodicea in Revelation 3:16, where Christ said he would spew such congregations out of his mouth. The only kind of faith that pleased God was fervent, heartfelt belief, and Whitefield preached dramatically about this type of faith.
Because of his shouting and gyrations, pulpits closed to Whitefield in many "respectable" English churches.
When this happened, he took his messages outside, often preaching in meadows at the edges of cities. This was considered nothing less than sacrilege to the "proper" church folks of his day.
When he came to America in the late 1730s, the colonies welcomed him, although some of the more traditional among the clergy were still bothered by his style of preaching. George and several other zealous ministers like Jonathan Edwards, Gilbert Tennent, David Brainerd, and the Wesley brothers rekindled believer's faith in Christ. Many also believe that God used the Great Awakening to draw the American colonies into closer union, preparing them for independence from Britain. The revival of the Great Awakening was an event in which all of the colonies shared, giving them a common, unifying experience.
Whitefield the Showman
Whitefield was a gifted orator who mesmerized audiences, using his voice in the manner of a skilled actor. He was a master storyteller, a skill he used often in his preaching. Once, when he described a storm at sea, his description was so vivid that a sailor in the audience actually cried out, "To the lifeboats! To the lifeboats!" George had endured many storms during his thirteen voyages across the Atlantic Ocean, and drew on this experience to paint his vivid word pictures. Some people even fell to the floor as though dead, so strong were their feelings of conviction when they heard Whitefield's messages. At a time when there were no microphones, this powerful preacher projected his voice so that he could be heard up to a mile away.
An Important Friendship
George Whitefield's preaching provided a young Philadelphia printer with the opportunity to perform an experiment. Benjamin Franklin joined the crowds that thronged to hear Whitefield preach, but rather than listening to his message, Ben turned and walked away. As he walked further and further away, he stopped periodically to see if he could still hear the British preacher. Franklin said, "Imagining then a semicircle, of which my distance should be the radius, and that it were filled with auditors to each of whom I allowed two square feet, I computed that he might be heard by more than thirty thousand. This reconciled me to the newspaper accounts of his having preached to twenty-five thousand in the fields."
Ben Franklin offered to print Whitefield's sermons so people could buy them, and he also housed the preacher above his shop on Market Street. When the Philadelphia clergy refused to allow Whitefield to speak in their churches, Franklin purchased a building so that all preachers could have a place to address the people. He also supported Whitefield's orphanage in the Georgia colony. Although the two men became devoted friends who respected each other deeply, Ben Franklin always resisted Whitefield's efforts to convert him. Through Whitefield's sermons and their long conversations, however, he did come to believe that God had a special place for America, that "we were a people chosen by God for a specific purpose."
One Last Sermon
During his lifetime, Whitefield delivered over 18,000 sermons to ten million people, averaging roughly ten sermons a week. This was truly extraordinary at a time when there was no television or mass communication.
Late in September 1770, George fell ill after preaching to crowds in New England. On September 29, he prayed for strength to deliver one last sermon. At first, he was barely able to stand, but he rallied to preach on faith and works for two hours. Later that night he had a severe asthma attack. Although a doctor was summoned, George Whitefield died at 6 o'clock the following morning.
Reactions to Whitefield's Controversial Preaching
Opposition to George Whitefield and other preachers of the Great Awakening sometimes revolved around their appeal to the lower social classes and to women. One of Whitefield's greatest supporters in England, Lady Huntington, sponsored his new style of preaching. She established over 60 chapels to encourage this new style and urged her friends and those in her social circles to hear Whitefield preach. The Duchess of Buckingham took offense and wrote to Lady Huntingdon: "I thank your Ladyship for the information concerning these preachers. Their doctrines are most repulsive and strongly tinctured with impertinence and disrespect toward their superiors in that they are perpetually endeavoring to level all ranks and do away with all distinctions. It is monstrous to be told that you have a heart as sinful as the common lechers that crawl on the earth. This is highly offensive and insulting and I cannot but wonder that your Ladyship should relish any sentiment so much at variance with high rank and good breeding."
Undeterred, Lady Huntington invited men of great stature to her home to hear Whitefield preach. Among those invited to her house were Lord Bolingbroke, Lord Chesterfield, Horace Walpole, and David Hume. In order to protect Anglican bishops from possible embarrassment, she established a curtained alcove for them to guard their privacy and dubbed it the Nicodemus Corner. So great was her zeal for the Lord and His ministers that when Oxford expelled several students for holding Methodist meetings in the new preaching style, she launched a new, nondenominational seminary.
An Eyewitness Account
Now it pleased God to send Mr. Whitefield into this land; and hearing of his preaching at Philadelphia, like one of the Old apostles, and thousands flocking to hear him preach, and great numbers were converted to Christ; I felt the Spirit of God drawing me by conviction.
Then one morning there came a messenger and said Mr. Whitefield [was] to preach this morning. I was in my field at Work. I dropt my tool that I had in my hand and ran to my pasture for my horse with all my might fearing that I should be too late to hear him. I brought my horse home and soon mounted and took my wife up and went as fast as I thought the horse could bear, and when my horse began to be out of breath, I would get down and put my wife on the Saddle and bid her ride as fast as she could and not Stop or Slack for me except I bad[e] her, and so I would run until I was much out of breath, and then mount my horse again, and we [went] along as if we were fleeing for our lives, all the while fearing we should be too late, for we had twelve miles to ride double in little more than an hour.
And when we came within about half a mile of the road; I heard a noise something like a low rumbling thunder and presently found it was the noise of horses coming down the road. A Cloud of dust arose some Rods into the air over the tops of the hills and trees. I heard no man speak a word but every one pressing forward in great haste. 3 or 4,000 people assembled together. I turned and looked towards the great river and saw the ferry boats bringing over loads of people; the land and banks over the river looked black with people and horses all along the 12 miles. I saw no man at work in his field, but all seemed to be gone.
When I saw Mr. Whitefield come upon the Scaffold he looked almost angelical, a young, slim slender youth before some thousands of people with a bold undaunted countenance, and he looked as if he was Cloathed with authority from the Great God. And my hearing him preach gave me a heart wound; by God's blessing my old foundation was broken up, and I saw that my righteousness would not save me.
 
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Are you saying there's a proper form of worship, and not everything everyone does is approved by God?

One of the problems with MacArthur's first promo video for the conference is that he compares Charismatics to Nadab and Abihu, who offered unauthorized 'strange fire' in the temple and were struck dead for it. Assuming you want to compare what we do in church to what they did in the tabernacle, the problem with John MacArthur's view is that what is authorized is very 'Charismatic.'

Nowhere does the Bible command us to have one preacher stand up and preach a lengthy sermon. The one chapter that gives us any in depth instructions on what to do in church gives instructions to the one who speaks in tongues, the one who interprets, says 'let the prophets speak two or three and let the other judge' and says 'ye may all prophesy.' Some people would call that kind of church gathering a 'Charismatic free-for-all.' It's too 'charismatic' for a lot of Charismatics and Pentecostals to accept. Paul writes toward the end of I Corinthians 14 that what he had written were commandments of the Lord.

So the 'charismatic' way of having church is authorized. Where are the revered aspects of the non-charismatic meeting authorized, like having one and only one sermon? Which one is more similar to 'strange fire', what the Lord specifically authorized, or what he did not.

Another problem with his video is that he turns around Jesus' teaching on blaspheming the Holy Spirit in Matthew 12. It was those who attributed the works of the Spirit to demons who were warned of the unpardonable sin. MacArthur even calls the tongues in the Bible 'pagan' in one of his sermons on I Corinthians 14.

Here is a video that points out some of the problems with John MacArthur's promo video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX13IYdL1yk

There is a Facebook forum dedicated to discussing cessationism versus continualism. https://www.facebook.com/groups/358427057627308/
 
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God bless, time to get some sleep the painter is coming tomorrow and I think he's going to get saved, pray for John... he's been listening and I saw tears in his eyes when I told him all about how Jesus loves us and he said, he doesn't go to church bc he would be a hypocrite. I told him there was a big club of hypocrites there and he'd fit right in.... I'm always in awe of how He loves us where we're at and not in some future upright uptight condition. Good night, andrea


Years ago, a carpet cleaner came to clean carpets, and I was always ready to witness, and always prayed for all who ever came by so that God would give me a mouth to speak and they would hear....all conversation naturally flows to Jesus; when he asked if I minded if he smoked [on a break -43 years ago, this was, so it was not politically incorrect to smoke, if one asked permission, in a house], I said," not at all, let me get you a lid for an ashtray, cause I don't have any since Jesus delivered me from smoking 18 months before he saved my soul three years ago".....[a few years after that time, I developed reactions to breathing smoke, but at that time, so near to my deliverance, it did not bother me when others smoked around me]; the carpet cleaner then confessed that he sure would like to quit, and he had tried, but could not -Bingo! I had his ear!

I told my testimony of how I had tried to quit a second time [after having done so once and later starting back] and could not. I got all the way up to four packs a day trying to quit! -I wasted a lot of them by leaving them burning in ashtrays on all three levels of our house [bedrooms and bath up stairs, living quarters downstairs, and utility in basement] cause I was a busy mom of three sons age 4, and twins age 1. Because I never used disposable diapers and changed diapers and washed diapers all day long -and other laundry- running down to the laundry and up to the bath and bedrooms, flying to the kitchen to cook and etc...I would light a cig, puff at it, then lay it in the ash tray, and forget it on that level, and begin all over again in another level of the house. My hubby found the long ashes of non smoked cigs and told me; "If you're going to smoke these things, at least smoke them" -he was against waste:)...
Anyway, I was trying to quit, and at that time I went to the Seattle Goodwill Store and bought 20 books for a dollar, just by the titles -I was a compulsive reader and we had no TV, so that was my way of relaxing, to read: but God had laid a trap for me in one of the books I picked by title; "Lady on a Donkey" [I was too busy to scan the books before I bought, and a nickel was disposable, if the book was not interesting].
That book was the story of Lillian Thrasher, who became a missionary to Egypt, and a mother died shortly after she arrived in Egypt, leaving a baby and no one to care for it.
Lillian cared for the baby, but the missionaries she was under told her she had to get rid of the baby, as they were not set up for that.

Lillian left the mission compound and rented a house with her few pennies US, and before long, Egyptians began bringing her other babies, and more and more children. There was no place for them to go- and she was really called by God to establish an orphanage there, but she did not know that was God's plan when she worked at an orphanage to pay her way through Bible school, so as to go as a missionary with an organization she applied to -her real school was learning how an orphanage is run:).
Lillian wrote her US sister and asked her to come help -she did, and one night, God gave Lillian a vision of children streaming into her gate and the line of children streaming in stretched out over the desert: thousands and thousands of them were in the vision, with no end in sight....
By the time the biography was written in 1955, which I had picked up to read that day, over 8,000 children had passed through that orphanage!

When I finished the book, I thought of the plight of those children and the cost of my cigs -which I did not want to smoke anymore, and I asked God -from whom I was a running rebel, but who I always believed in- to deliver me from the cig habit and I would give "all that money to something like that".

Immediately, I felt the presence of God [not the first time in my life, either] and I tore up those last cigs and threw them in the trash and have never, ever, smoked or wanted to smoke a cig in my life since -but I was not saved for another 18 months!

Not long after that, my husband brought a TV home and God used that for a mighty miracle in my life, for I was saved by a Pentecostal miracle when a woman in a choir on a TV program on a Sunday morning burst out in prophecy just as my hand reached out to turn the dial, cause when I had turned on the station and saw it was a "religious program", I thought "I do not want that", and reached out to turn the dial, and she let forth in a mighty anointed prophetic utterance and the pastor just turned around and put the mike to her mouth and announced "this is prophecy, ladies and gentlemen"...I never was home after that on a Sunday [til I had the next baby which was my fifth] to see who was the preacher, and never wrote anyone to tell them, but their reward is in heaven, anyway!


When she burst out in prophecy, God was present in my room and I could not turn that dial. Every word she said spoke directly to my heart and cut like a knife through my whole being -and was truth about my life.

God said: "Time after time you have called unto Me, and I have answered you; yet, you have cut me off, but I say unto you this day that unless you yield yourself unto me from this day forward I Will Cut You Off!"

Those words cut me like a knife and I was so convinced that God meant it and that if I did not repent -like "5 minutes ago" that I was going to hell -and I had the fear of God come upon me so strong that I fell to my knees, raised my hands, and cried loudly;
"Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me, a sinner".
He did.
I got up feeling a "spiritual" ton of weight was gone -we literally carry the burden of our sins, and they weigh us down and drag us/our soul to Sheol on death, if we do not repent!

See, I had a Fundamental Baptist background and I knew I was a sinner, and had been "saved" every Sunday when the anointed tongues speaking [yes he did] Baptist preacher preached Jesus....I was 10 years old, but I grew into my teen years and departed from the LORD -and I knew I had departed....


But I did call on Him "time after time", and He did answer me, cause I knew who He was. Once, He gave my twin son back to me who had strangled himself on a lamp cord. I shouted all the way to the hosp to God to please not let him die...over and over, while I held my baby's nose and breathed into his mouth... looked up to God... shouted my prayer... breathed into his mouth...repeat...

So I shared my story with the carpet cleaner, and I asked him if he would like me to pray that he would be free.
He said; "yes"....
At that moment, I sent a quick SOS up to God..."I need a prayer partner", and there was an instant knock on the door.
I opened it to see a Christian sister standing there and I grabbed her hand, pulled her in and said -come in, we are going to pray for "____" to be delivered from smoking".
She began to pull herself up and said to him; "are you saved", I silenced her and said, no, not now, but the LORD is going to deliver him from smoking -pray!"
She did, I did, he did. He was.
He came back a few weeks later when I was not at home and told my husband not only was he delivered, but his wife was too!
I encouraged him to find a good living Church and get into Jesus [he did not live close by, he was from Renton, and we were at that time in Rural Kent.

NOTE: my sister was praying for me with a burden she thought she would die under, if God did not lift it. She was a Southern Baptist preacher's wife -but he was still in Seminary, 2500 miles from me, and we had no conversation about the LORD at all. I did not tell her I was saved until my Christmas letter, but I was saved Oct 12, and her burden lifted Labor Day, that year, but she did not know what was going on -we did not talk on the phones back then, long distance.
 
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Years ago, a carpet cleaner came to clean carpets, and I was always ready to witness, and always prayed for all who ever came by so that God would give me a mouth to speak and they would hear....all conversation naturally flows to Jesus; when he asked if I minded if he smoked [on a break -43 years ago, this was, so it was not politically incorrect to smoke, if one asked permission, in a house], I said," not at all, let me get you a lid for an ashtray, cause I don't have any since Jesus delivered me from smoking 18 months before he saved my soul three years ago".....[a few years after that time, I developed reactions to breathing smoke, but at that time, so near to my deliverance, it did not bother me when others smoked around me]; the carpet cleaner then confessed that he sure would like to quit, and he had tried, but could not -Bingo! I had his ear!

I told my testimony of how I had tried to quit a second time [after having done so once and later starting back] and could not. I got all the way up to four packs a day trying to quit! -I wasted a lot of them by leaving them burning in ashtrays on all three levels of our house [bedrooms and bath up stairs, living quarters downstairs, and utility in basement] cause I was a busy mom of three sons age 4, and twins age 1. Because I never used disposable diapers and changed diapers and washed diapers all day long -and other laundry- running down to the laundry and up to the bath and bedrooms, flying to the kitchen to cook and etc...I would light a cig, puff at it, then lay it in the ash tray, and forget it on that level, and begin all over again in another level of the house. My hubby found the long ashes of non smoked cigs and told me; "If you're going to smoke these things, at least smoke them" -he was against waste:)...
Anyway, I was trying to quit, and at that time I went to the Seattle Goodwill Store and bought 20 books for a dollar, just by the titles -I was a compulsive reader and we had no TV, so that was my way of relaxing, to read: but God had laid a trap for me in one of the books I picked by title; "Lady on a Donkey" [I was too busy to scan the books before I bought, and a nickel was disposable, if the book was not interesting].
That book was the story of Lillian Thrasher, who became a missionary to Egypt, and a mother died shortly after she arrived in Egypt, leaving a baby and no one to care for it.
Lillian cared for the baby, but the missionaries she was under told her she had to get rid of the baby, as they were not set up for that.

Lillian left the mission compound and rented a house with her few pennies US, and before long, Egyptians began bringing her other babies, and more and more children. There was no place for them to go- and she was really called by God to establish an orphanage there, but she did not know that was God's plan when she worked at an orphanage to pay her way through Bible school, so as to go as a missionary with an organization she applied to -her real school was learning how an orphanage is run:).
Lillian wrote her US sister and asked her to come help -she did, and one night, God gave Lillian a vision of children streaming into her gate and the line of children streaming in stretched out over the desert: thousands and thousands of them were in the vision, with no end in sight....
By the time the biography was written in 1955, which I had picked up to read that day, over 8,000 children had passed through that orphanage!

When I finished the book, I thought of the plight of those children and the cost of my cigs -which I did not want to smoke anymore, and I asked God -from whom I was a running rebel, but who I always believed in- to deliver me from the cig habit and I would give "all that money to something like that".

Immediately, I felt the presence of God [not the first time in my life, either] and I tore up those last cigs and threw them in the trash and have never, ever, smoked or wanted to smoke a cig in my life since -but I was not saved for another 18 months!

Not long after that, my husband brought a TV home and God used that for a mighty miracle in my life, for I was saved by a Pentecostal miracle when a woman in a choir on a TV program on a Sunday morning burst out in prophecy just as my hand reached out to turn the dial, cause when I had turned on the station and saw it was a "religious program", I thought "I do not want that", and reached out to turn the dial, and she let forth in a mighty anointed prophetic utterance and the pastor just turned around and put the mike to her mouth and announced "this is prophecy, ladies and gentlemen"...I never was home after that on a Sunday [til I had the next baby which was my fifth] to see who was the preacher, and never wrote anyone to tell them, but their reward is in heaven, anyway!


When she burst out in prophecy, God was present in my room and I could not turn that dial. Every word she said spoke directly to my heart and cut like a knife through my whole being -and was truth about my life.

God said: "Time after time you have called unto Me, and I have answered you; yet, you have cut me off, but I say unto you this day that unless you yield yourself unto me from this day forward I Will Cut You Off!"

Those words cut me like a knife and I was so convinced that God meant it and that if I did not repent -like "5 minutes ago" that I was going to hell -and I had the fear of God come upon me so strong that I fell to my knees, raised my hands, and cried loudly;
"Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me, a sinner".
He did.
I got up feeling a "spiritual" ton of weight was gone -we literally carry the burden of our sins, and they weigh us down and drag us/our soul to Sheol on death, if we do not repent!

See, I had a Fundamental Baptist background and I knew I was a sinner, and had been "saved" every Sunday when the anointed tongues speaking [yes he did] Baptist preacher preached Jesus....I was 10 years old, but I grew into my teen years and departed from the LORD -and I knew I had departed....


But I did call on Him "time after time", and He did answer me, cause I knew who He was. Once, He gave my twin son back to me who had strangled himself on a lamp cord. I shouted all the way to the hosp to God to please not let him die...over and over, while I held my baby's nose and breathed into his mouth... looked up to God... shouted my prayer... breathed into his mouth...repeat...

So I shared my story with the carpet cleaner, and I asked him if he would like me to pray that he would be free.
He said; "yes"....
At that moment, I sent a quick SOS up to God..."I need a prayer partner", and there was an instant knock on the door.
I opened it to see a Christian sister standing there and I grabbed her hand, pulled her in and said -come in, we are going to pray for "____" to be delivered from smoking".
She began to pull herself up and said to him; "are you saved", I silenced her and said, no, not now, but the LORD is going to deliver him from smoking -pray!"
She did, I did, he did. He was.
He came back a few weeks later when I was not at home and told my husband not only was he delivered, but his wife was too!
I encouraged him to find a good living Church and get into Jesus [he did not live close by, he was from Renton, and we were at that time in Rural Kent.

NOTE: my sister was praying for me with a burden she thought she would die under, if God did not lift it. She was a Southern Baptist preacher's wife -but he was still in Seminary, 2500 miles from me, and we had no conversation about the LORD at all. I did not tell her I was saved until my Christmas letter, but I was saved Oct 12, and her burden lifted Labor Day, that year, but she did not know what was going on -we did not talk on the phones back then, long distance.
............
...love those testimonies.... I had tears coming down my cheeks remembering how the Lord touched me through a word on TV... I too hated those Christian shows. LOL... was I in for a surprise. Whats funny is people tell me today the way I got saved isn't in the bible... is that a hoot!!! Its been 30 years.
.....I was addicted to drugs, early on as a Christian I wanted to lose weight so I thought I'd take a short cut and use street drugs a friend had introduced me to.... well in a few months I realized I had a very real problem and my entire paycheck was going to drugs. I was reading the bible when I saw that all drunkards go to hell... I knew this was no different or worse then alcohol... and I was overwhelmingly convicted. I told the Lord I knew I was going to hell but I'd be the only one there that still loved Him. (makes me cry thinking about it). He gave me a vision of Himself with His arms reaching out as if to pick me up and He said, but "I" won't let you. I knew then it wasn't about me it was all about Him.... I got up from that vision and did another line of crank(meth). But two weeks went by and I realized I had not refilled my supply, I was free... delivered not bc I did anything right but bc He is merciful. In that vision I saw prostitutes and drug addicts under a bridge.... and those words were for them too. If they had put their trust in Him, He was going to be faithful to bring them out or take them home. So powerful, it changed my life and the way I viewed salvation. It taught me grace, I was never going to be any more worthy then the day I got saved, (I was a cussin atheist that day) I can't do it I'm a lousy lousy sinner...LOL. I'm getting old now, no drugs, no alcohol problems, 4.5 packs of cigarettes a day - gone.... no cussin (less I want to) my home is peaceful and the people who know me ...think I'm sweet... thats so funny bc I used to love it when they called me a witch with a capital 'B'. I told them - thats right remember it. LOL...
but the Lord saw something different and the more I got my eyes off of sin and onto Him, the more all the 'stuff' fell away.... and I will never have any righteousness of my own, its all His. Doesn't matter how good others think I am, I know me and its all been Him. I am wrapped in His righteousness...:clap::clap:
John is coming to church this week..... :crossrc:
God bless, andrea
 
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your not the first one to come against a move of God you've plenty of company......... did you ever think maybe the Lord is just trying to get people's attention.... maybe the laughing is healing and gold dust and feathers are just enough to spark an interest to make someone want to go see what all the fuss is about.... bc good old MacArthur's church just isn't drawing our young people and they need God... they need Him so much maybe you should have a little respect for what these people are doing reaching out to a lost generation. Instead you come against everything that doesn't meet your doctrine. God didn't give anyone the correct doctrine bc He is after men's hearts.... if they had the correct doctrine it would just make them more egotistical and self-righteous then most of them are already
~~A move of God? be careful whom's work your are attesting to God.
~~~The Lord uses plenty of means to get the attention of His people, circus
sideshows are not one of them.
~~~~LOL, Macarthur's church not drawing young people?? Why is it you
choose to attack the ones delivering the rebuke instead of defending or correcting the rebuking issue?
~~~~~I do not come against things that don't meet my doctrine, I come against those who teach doctrines that fails to align with the plumbline of scripture.

~~~~~~What on earth do you mean God gives no-one correct doctrine?
 
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your not the first one to come against a move of God you've plenty of company......... did you ever think maybe the Lord is just trying to get people's attention.... maybe the laughing is healing and gold dust and feathers are just enough to spark an interest to make someone want to go see what all the fuss is about.... bc good old MacArthur's church just isn't drawing our young people and they need God... they need Him so much maybe you should have a little respect for what these people are doing reaching out to a lost generation. Instead you come against everything that doesn't meet your doctrine. God didn't give anyone the correct doctrine bc He is after men's hearts.... if they had the correct doctrine it would just make them more egotistical and self-righteous then most of them are already

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Have you ever been to Grace Community Church? I am going to assume, based on your comment regarding "MacArthur's church" not drawing young people, that you have not been to a single service. Because I have been to quite a few of the services and there are plenty of young and not so young people. The church has many fellowship groups aimed at college aged and younger with their own individual pastors and a lot of times you will find young people attending both fellowship before MacArthurs 2nd service or after the first and also going to hear MacArthurs sermon as well.

and if you want to talk children believe me the church has an abundance of little ones.


not everyone needs to be performed for, even young people can be fulfilled with singing traditional hymns of praise and worship and hearing careful exposition of The Word of God.

for you to say the church is not drawing the young people is so ridiculous really! I mean you just assumed it, with no basis whatsoever, just made it up to support your point of view how truthful is that? all for what? so you could appear to have some sort of validity?


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Have you ever been to Grace Community Church?
Have you ever been filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues as the New Testament says we ought to be? - Because if you haven't then you know not of what you speak. We are living in the New Testament hun. You're missing out on such joy, peace & blessing.

I laugh when people try to say Kim Walker's music has 'sexual undertones' or isn't in line with the Word of God ... heh.. that's just amusing & silly...
Still Believe - Kim Walker-Smith w/ Lyrics - YouTube
 
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Have you ever been filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues as the New Testament says we ought to be? - Because if you haven't then you know not of what you speak. We are living in the New Testament hun. You're missing out on such joy, peace & blessing.

~BEEN filled? how about AM filled and sealed for the day of redemption(Eph 4:30).
~~The NT church does not say we ought to speak in tongues...
~~~When one HAS the Holy Spirit sealed in them there is NO missing joy, peace & blessing... For Christ alone is our JOY and our PEACE and our BLESSING.
 
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I laugh when people try to say Kim Walker's music has 'sexual undertones' or isn't in line with the Word of God ...
So discernment is not one of your gifts i assume?
This song itself is way off course it say he heals every disease, that's simply not true in fact He can and does even cause afflictions, for our good...
The prophecy to Isaiah about "by his stripes" was about Christ's earthly ministry.
16 When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick, 17 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying:

Here is the Psalmist helping us understand affliction...
67 Before I was afflicted I went astray,
But now I keep Your word.
68 You are good, and do good;
Teach me Your statutes.
69 The proud have forged a lie against me,
But I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart.
70 Their heart is as fat as grease,
But I delight in Your law.
71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted,
That I may learn Your statutes.
72 The law of Your mouth is better to me
Than thousands of coins of gold and silver.
י Yod

73 Your hands have made me and fashioned me;
Give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments.
74 Those who fear You will be glad when they see me,
Because I have hoped in Your word.
75 I know, O Lord, that Your judgments are right,
And that in faithfulness You have afflicted me.
76 Let, I pray, Your merciful kindness be for my comfort,
According to Your word to Your servant.
 
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This song itself is way off course it say he heals every disease, that's simply not true in fact He can and does even cause afflictions, for our good....
If the LORD afflicts for correction, then one seeks the LORD, repents, and He heals....David was raised up, and look what He wrote:

103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.
6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.
7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.
9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.
19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.
20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
21 Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
22 Bless the Lord, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the Lord, O my soul.
 
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If the LORD afflicts for correction, then one seeks the LORD, repents, and He heals....David was raised up, and look what He wrote:

103 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.
2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

right!
The song says He heals ALL disease. Just sayin if that were the case He would have healed my brother, but as it is the Lord gives the Lord takes away...Blessed be the name of the Lord.
 
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