Legal victory for fired transgendered teacher in suit against Catholic school

[Michie]

#1
9-20-13

A judge in New York has granted an initial legal victory to Mark (Marla) Krolikowski, a teacher fired from St. Francis High School in Queens after he became transgendered, according to multiple media reports.

Judge Duane Hart rejected the school’s motion to dismiss Krolikowski’s discrimination lawsuit against the school. The school invoked the ministerial exception, which has been upheld unanimously by the Supreme Court, and asserted it fired Krolikowski, a longtime teacher, on grounds of insubordination.
“Insubordination after 32 years of teaching?” said the judge. “And the insubordination seems to coincide with the expression of being transgender?”

Victory for transgender former teacher (WABC)

Marla Krolikowskii, Transgender Catholic School Teacher, Receives Legal Victory (Huffington Post)
Court Denies Catholic School’s Motion in Lawsuit by Fired Transgender Teacher (Catholic Education Daily)

 

[Cute Tink]

Michie, if I may ask, where did the quoted portion come from? It doesn't seem to be a part of any of the three articles, but maybe I missed it.

 

[Michie]

Michie, if I may ask, where did the quoted portion come from? It doesn't seem to be a part of any of the three articles, but maybe I missed it.

Catholic Culture News.

They always give a run down then add the links.

Here you go: Legal victory for fired transgendered teacher in suit against Catholic school : News Headlines - Catholic Culture

 

[catholicbybirth]

#1
9-20-13




Victory for transgender former teacher (WABC)

Marla Krolikowskii, Transgender Catholic School Teacher, Receives Legal Victory (Huffington Post)
Court Denies Catholic School’s Motion in Lawsuit by Fired Transgender Teacher (Catholic Education Daily)

I am so sick at heart. This world is becoming a cesspool of political correctness and the politicians, judges, and policy makers of all sorts seem to be in bed with the devil.

May the Lord have mercy on us all.

Janice

 

[1Feather]

I am so sick at heart. This world is becoming a cesspool of political correctness and the politicians, judges, and policy makers of all sorts seem to be in bed with the devil.

May the Lord have mercy on us all.

Janice

Mercy would be if this school appeals to a higher court and wins. In the meantime I trust God's process while agreeing with your thoughts in total.

 

[Cute Tink]

Catholic Culture News.

They always give a run down then add the links.

Here you go: Legal victory for fired transgendered teacher in suit against Catholic school : News Headlines - Catholic Culture

Thank you. I see it now. I asked because the wording threw me a bit. I shall now quit being off topic.

 

[Michie]

Thank you. I see it now. I asked because the wording threw me a bit. I shall now quit being off topic.

Yeah CCN gives their take then adds links so the reader can discern on their own.

 

[Franny50]

I feel a Teachers' qualifications come before their sexual orientation or gender orientation.Injustice would be firing a perfectly qualified Teacher because we do not agree with his or her lifestyle.Let God be the judge!!

 

[Luther073082]

I feel a Teachers' qualifications come before their sexual orientation or gender orientation.Injustice would be firing a perfectly qualified Teacher because we do not agree with his or her lifestyle.Let God be the judge!!

So your ok with a person who openly see's prostitutes and tells the kids all about it?

If you arn't willing to uphold the lifestyle that the church approves of, you shouldn't be teaching in their schools. There are perfectly good public schools you can teach in.

 

[Cute Tink]

So your ok with a person who openly see's prostitutes and tells the kids all about it?

Why would telling the kids about it be OK? That would go against their teaching qualifications.

 

[Franny50]

Luther,I do not see the comparison between a Transgender person and someone who patronizes prostitutes.The latter involves a behavior which violates the law.A transgender person feels that they were born in the wrong body.As Christians,we need to be more tolerant as those who are on the fringe of society are especially in need of love and support and God's grace.

 

[mark46]

You certainly have a strange way of arguing.

Either it is OK for a school to hire and keep math (an example) teachers based on their private morality or its is not.

Has this teacher openly discussed private morality with the students?

So your ok with a person who openly see's prostitutes and tells the kids all about it?

If you arn't willing to uphold the lifestyle that the church approves of, you shouldn't be teaching in their schools. There are perfectly good public schools you can teach in.

 

[Stone Butterfly]

Insubordination is absolutely right here. The school should have noted that as a secondary offense in the firing of the woman teacher and instead officially fired her for breach of contract. They'd have won!
At least if they appeal they'll know that in future they need to revise their teacher contracts to include a morals clause so that this doesn't happen again.
When franchises can include a morals clause in their contracts, it just makes sense now days for a Catholic school. Especially when the evils that are gaining ground in the world are using the courts to propel their agenda forward. Fight the evil through the letter of the law.

The school hired by contract a woman to teach their students in a parochial school. When she altered her appearance she broke the contract she had with the school.

What a shame that she won this case. But at least she's not teaching in that particular school anymore. Worth every penny!

 

[Tallguy88]

From reading the articles, it seems that the case is ongoing. The school tried to get the judge to dismiss the teacher's complaint (standard practice) and the judge denied the request (also standard practice). In other words, it appears this case is proceeding just like any other civil case.

The headlines of victory for the teacher are sensationalist and the cries of immorality and cultural corruption in the judicial system are equally uncalled for.

 

[mark46]

Yes, this is an ongoing case.

The "victory" mentioned is the rejection of the school's contention that a teacher is a "minister" and thus their firing is not actionable.

I suppose the schools could have fired the teacher under a morals clause. However, the school chose to fire a teacher for an act of "insubordination" after 17 years of service. The judge voiced skepticism.

I suspect that this case will be settled out of course. The school doesn't want a precedent. Besides, of the school lost, the teacher might get to return to the classroom (with backpay).

From reading the articles, it seems that the case is ongoing. The school tried to get the judge to dismiss the teacher's complaint (standard practice) and the judge denied the request (also standard practice). In other words, it appears this case is proceeding just like any other civil case.

The headlines of victory for the teacher are sensationalist and the cries of immorality and cultural corruption in the judicial system are equally uncalled for.

 

[Tallguy88]

Yes, this is an ongoing case.

The "victory" mentioned is the rejection of the school's contention that a teacher is a "minister" and thus their firing is not actionable.

I suppose the schools could have fired the teacher under a morals clause. However, the school chose to fire a teacher for an act of "insubordination" after 17 years of service. The judge voiced skepticism.

I suspect that this case will be settled out of course. The school doesn't want a precedent. Besides, of the school lost, the teacher might get to return to the classroom (with backpay).

The judge has encouraged them to reach a settlement. We'll see if that happens. Emotions can cloud the good judgement of the parties.

 

[Wolseley]

Luther,I do not see the comparison between a Transgender person and someone who patronizes prostitutes.The latter involves a behavior which violates the law.A transgender person feels that they were born in the wrong body.As Christians,we need to be more tolerant as those who are on the fringe of society are especially in need of love and support and God's grace.

When Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery in John 8, He did not say to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and continue sinning."

What He said was, "Go, and sin no more."

(Notice that this was not a suggestion.)

Was that displaying a lack of tolerance on His part, as He was obviously judging her lifestyle?

How about Matthew 13:58? "He worked no miracles there because of their lack of faith."

Should the townspeople have sued Him because He discriminated against them, refusing to work miracles just because they had no faith?

 

[Luther073082]

Luther,I do not see the comparison between a Transgender person and someone who patronizes prostitutes.The latter involves a behavior which violates the law.A transgender person feels that they were born in the wrong body.As Christians,we need to be more tolerant as those who are on the fringe of society are especially in need of love and support and God's grace.

That's funny because prostitution is not illegal everywhere. It is mostly legal in Europe, and some counties in Nevada for example. What if this is a place where it's legal?

Also many of the men who visit with prostitutes are men who are on the fringe of society and in need of love and support. Not every man is like that sure, but if you read a lot of people in that industry will tell you that most of their clients are very lonely people.

Of course society will somehow try to tell you the prostitutes are the victim in all of this.

 

[Luther073082]

Why would telling the kids about it be OK? That would go against their teaching qualifications.

Why is it ok to be a man but try to dress like and be treated as a woman? Often including but not limited to using women's restrooms.

I don't see that as any less immoral then seeing a prostitute.

 

[TheOtherHockeyMom]

Why is it ok to be a man but try to dress like and be treated as a woman? Often including but not limited to using women's restrooms.

I don't see that as any less immoral then seeing a prostitute.

If a person is truly born a woman in a man's body, then correcting that should be no more immoral than a person born without legs wearing a prosthetic leg. Unless you assume that God meant for them to be legless and going against His wishes would be immoral.