Where is liberal Christian love for the intolerant?

[Joykins]

Who is they?

The people who said they condone sin.

I agree. We are all made in the image of God.

Is not a sin to be gay but it is a sin to practice homosexuality. And this is as far as I'm going to discuss this topic given the posting rules of CF.

So, let us talk about racial attitudes. So much easier to keep out the forbidden topics and that one's in the OP.

Is it a sin to hate people because of their race?

 

[Joykins]

I took the OP "anti-gay" to be analogous to "racist", i.e. people who hate or are prejudiced against gays, btw. We can discuss this without bringing in CF-verboten debates about the morality of gay sex.

 

[1Feather]

Because you must be born again to see the kingdom.
So many in our country that go to church on Sunday.
They might be missing the forest for the trees.
All I can figure.

It is what my pastor calls cotton candy ministry. Sugar coating the truth of scripture in order to appeal to seekers who may feel offended if their transgressions are brought to their attention.

Ministers are responsible for leading their parishioners in the ways of God and Christ. They shall answer if they spoke falsely. I would think this would frighten the liberal minded who enter the pulpit.

Only if you twist the Scripture enough to make it work.
But we know who's twisting and why he does it.
Because he HATES us and wants to deceive us.
Of course it's a sin to practice sex with someone you're
not married to and of course it's sin to have sex with someone
of your own gender.

But you'll see, next thing will be marrying children or
marrying your pets.. WHY NOT? IT"S MY CHOICE who i have
sex with



It's a lie from hell designed to kill steal and destroy.

The opposite of righteousness teaches that sin is a virtue.
We shall know them by their fruits.

I think there's a difference between believing something to be a sin and being unrepentant of it, and not believing it to be a sin. Isn't Romans 14 really on the nail here?

I enjoy the book of Romans. However, what does that then say of all those passages that speak of rebuking our brothers and sisters who sin?

What is the command of Jesus that we go forth into all the world and spread his good news? That includes repentance of sins.

Are we to witness the sin of a brother or sister and say nothing? Waiting for them to be accountable before God when then it is too late to be redeemed of those acts they committed in life?

We can respect one another for obeying G-d speaking through our conscience - even if we think the other has misheard. And we should admit, on all sides, that we don't know what G-d is saying to anyone else through their own conscience. We must look to the beam in our own eye.

I admit the scriptures that say that Christians can not sin are confusing. Especially in the verse that commands we be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect and this when we are made with a human nature that is fallen from the outset of our life. It therefore makes sense that we would act human even after baptism.

I think we all have beams in our own eye. And yet are we not then responsible for noticing what may be obscuring the vision unto righteousness in others if we remain self-absorbed? Working on self alone and saying nothing of those who are acting in a way that shall surely damn them.

 

[GenetoJean]

I think the OP is a problem that people on both sides have. Take things said in disagreement of our views as attacks. It makes communication very difficult.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It's a really odd situation . people read the bible and go with their fleshly response to something . then call people fleshly for appealing to respond in love . so it's a lose-lose issue

 

[sunlover1]

I think there's a difference between believing something to be a sin and being unrepentant of it, and not believing it to be a sin. Isn't Romans 14 really on the nail here?



We can respect one another for obeying G-d speaking through our conscience - even if we think the other has misheard. And we should admit, on all sides, that we don't know what G-d is saying to anyone else through their own conscience. We must look to the beam in our own eye.

Jesus said to FIRST take the beam out of your own eye..
THEN you will see clearly to help your bro with his speck.

But regardless...
We need to stand up for what God says.
We're supposed to expose darkness anyhow
arent we?

 

[1Feather]

I think the OP is a problem that people on both sides have. Take things said in disagreement of our views as attacks. It makes communication very difficult.

“It is not conflict of opinions that has made history so violent but conflict of belief in opinions, that is to say conflict of convictions.”
Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human


I think the desire to be right and to be affirmed as right is also what causes conflict. If people do not agree with our world view we can take it to mean we're living wrong and for the Christian that can be perilous and therefore very personal.

 

[sunlover1]

The people who said they condone sin.


So, let us talk about racial attitudes. So much easier to keep out the forbidden topics and that one's in the OP.

Is it a sin to hate people because of their race?

It's stupid is what it is.
Christians don't hate though.

He who loveth not, knoweth not God,
for God is love.

 

[1Co13]

Jesus said to FIRST take the beam out of your own eye..
THEN you will see clearly to help your bro with his speck.

But regardless...
We need to stand up for what God says.
We're supposed to expose darkness anyhow
arent we?

And God will judge those who judge truth. A little Godly fear is wise i think.

 

[sunlover1]

It's a really odd situation . people read the bible and go with their fleshly response to something . then call people fleshly for appealing to respond in love . so it's a lose-lose issue

No, it's not lose-lose because if you have God on your side,
it's always win-win.

Yes, it IS ridiculous to name call those who are responding in love.

The problem is confusing warm fuzzy for real love.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Jesus said to FIRST take the beam out of your own eye..
THEN you will see clearly to help your bro with his speck.

But regardless...
We need to stand up for what God says.
We're supposed to expose darkness anyhow
arent we?

Speaking of eyes

Matthew Chapter 6

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


So if our eye is impaled with a cedar of lebanon or a toothpick

how can we who are full of darkness not having a "sound" or "single" eye know the difference? but God can do that. i trust him to work through me beyond my ability to understand .

 

[Joykins]

It's stupid is what it is.
Christians don't hate though.

He who loveth not, knoweth not God,
for God is love.

Some people emphasize social justice more. Others emphasize personal righteousness more. Both are necessary, but over-emphasis can be a problem when it causes us to become morally lazy or judgmental.

 

[TheGMan]

And yet are we not then responsible for noticing what may be obscuring the vision unto righteousness in others if we remain self-absorbed? Working on self alone and saying nothing of those who are acting in a way that shall surely damn them.

I think it comes down to whether we are sure of our own vision. I trust G-d to tell people if they are doing something He's likely to damn them for, certainly if they are sincere in giving themselves to Him. And maybe He has told them and they haven't listened. Or maybe they've professed to listen but they're not sincere in that. But that's nothing that G-d has vouchsafed to me. And He's vouchsafed plenty about what I need to do about myself. So I'll do that and trust Him to do right about everyone else.

 

[Albion]

So, let us talk about racial attitudes. So much easier to keep out the forbidden topics and that one's in the OP.

Is it a sin to hate people because of their race?

I'd have to say that it's a sin to hate people.

From what I can tell, liberals are the ones most likely to be doing that.

 

[GenetoJean]

I'd have to say that it's a sin to hate people.

From what I can tell, liberals are the ones most likely to be doing that.

I disagree with this. Conservatives do it just as much as the liberals.

 

[Joykins]

I'd have to say that it's a sin to hate people.

From what I can tell, liberals are the ones most likely to be doing that.

Now, now, remember...this is GT after all...

Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Muslims,
And everybody hates the Jews.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I disagree with this. Conservatives do it just as much as the liberals.

i'm still not sure if he was being sarcastic .

 

[sunlover1]

Speaking of eyes

Matthew Chapter 6

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


So if our eye is impaled with a cedar of lebanon or a toothpick

how can we who are full of darkness not having a "sound" or "single" eye know the difference? but God can do that. i trust him to work through me beyond my ability to understand .

Have you ever looked into that Hebrew idiom about the eye
being single?

You're full of darkness??

 

[HisSparkPlug]

He's pro people.

Well said.
He LOVES the sinner & HATES the sin and the institutions & wrong beliefs which keep people chained and unable to fully embrace His truth.

 

[GenetoJean]

“It is not conflict of opinions that has made history so violent but conflict of belief in opinions, that is to say conflict of convictions.”
Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All Too Human


I think the desire to be right and to be affirmed as right is also what causes conflict. If people do not agree with our world view we can take it to mean we're living wrong and for the Christian that can be perilous and therefore very personal.

I agree. I know people IRL that I wont disagree with because they automatically take it as an attack.