Calvinism provides an excuse for those in hell

[FreeGrace2]

We all understand your premise, but we all disagree with you.

And that's totally fine with me. But that doesn't refute my challenge to you.

Men are in hell for what they did do, not what God didn't.

Well, let's see about that.

According to Calvinism:
God chose who would believe and then save them.
Christ died ONLY for them.
All of humanity is under sin.
But the chosen sinners go to heaven BECAUSE Christ died ONLY for them.
Those NOT chosen did not get their sins paid for.
Those NOT chosen have to pay for their own sins.

It's real clear what God DID and DIDN'T in Calvinism. And that, my friend, is what constitutes an excuse for the hell dwellers. Sure enough.

 

[guuila]

And I'd appreciate the same from you. I'm a Biblicist.

Sounds good. We're both Biblicists. And our theology is totally at odds with each other.

 

[guuila]

And that's totally fine with me. But that doesn't refute my challenge to you.

Well, let's see about that.

According to Calvinism:
God chose who would believe and then save them.
Christ died ONLY for them.
All of humanity is under sin.
But the chosen sinners go to heaven BECAUSE Christ died ONLY for them.
Those NOT chosen did not get their sins paid for.
Those NOT chosen have to pay for their own sins.

It's real clear what God DID and DIDN'T in Calvinism. And that, my friend, is what constitutes an excuse for the hell dwellers. Sure enough.

Calvinism? I thought you were done with the name calling?

 

[FreeGrace2]

They can't.

Correct. Those for whom Christ did NOT die for cannot escape hell. And BECAUSE Christ didn't die for them, that is their excuse for being in hell.

Not sin, as you have claimed, BECAUSE Christ didn't die for them.

The ones in heaven are just as much sinners as the ones in hell.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Why is that an excuse? They are in hell for sinning.

Why are the sinners in heaven there?

Christ died ONLY for them.

They were the ONLY ones chosen for heaven. Everyone else was LEFT BEHIND.

With an excuse. In your system, but NOT according to the Bible.

According to the Bible, people are in hell for not taking the free gift of eternal life. That's the reason. It is not an excuse.

Only Calvinism provides an excuse for hell dwellers. In spades.

 

[FreeGrace2]

They are in hell because they sin.

Please answer this question, hammster:

Why are sinners in heaven?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Because I'm saved.

According to your limited theology, Christ died ONLY for some. Sounds as though you consider yourself one of the "lucky ones", huh.

Remember, your theology is that God chooses who will believe (election) and Christ died ONLY for them (limited atonement). That is a HUGE excuse for the non-lucky ones, whom y'all call the non-elect.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Who decided to save you, and not those in hell?

According to Calvinism, God ONLY chose hammster.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Really? You don't know? It was God.

According to Calvinism, God ONLY chose some to believe and to save.

That gives a HUGE excuse to the non-choice ones. You know, the ones you like to call the non-elect.

I'd call them the non-lucky ones, from your theology.

The lucky get chosen, and non-lucky ones don't.

It doesn't get any more clear than that.

And the Calvinists just keep on denying the excuse their theology provides hell dwellers.

Totally amazing!

 

[FreeGrace2]

Soli deo Gloria!

Yeah, another of those lucky ones!

 

[FreeGrace2]

Sounds good. We're both Biblicists. And our theology is totally at odds with each other.

That's not my problem. I've tried to help you, but you aren't interested.

 

[guuila]

According to Calvinism, God ONLY chose hammster.

Wow the reformers knew about Hammster?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Calvinism? I thought you were done with the name calling?

If I recall, it was you who didn't want to be called a Calvinist. There are others on this thread and forum who haven't requested any change.

 

[guuila]

That's not my problem. I've tried to help you, but you aren't interested.

Well I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

 

[guuila]

Yeah, another of those lucky ones!

God is lucky?

 

[FreeGrace2]

God is lucky?

Uh, the plural of "one" is a clue, griff. You need to pay attention to the flow of the discussion.

 

[Ask Seek Knock]

Really? You don't know? It was God.

So we now have the truth; God has decided NOT to save those in hell.

OP confirmed.

 

[Ask Seek Knock]

God is lucky?

God lucky? Hardly. It was YOU who was lucky enough to be chosen by God. Why is it so hard for you to remember your doctrine?

 

[guuila]

God lucky? Hardly. It was YOU who was lucky enough to be chosen by God.

So were you. Might wanna shut your mouth and praise Him for it.

 

[Hammster]

Correct. Those for whom Christ did NOT die for cannot escape hell. And BECAUSE Christ didn't die for them, that is their excuse for being in hell.

Not sin, as you have claimed, BECAUSE Christ didn't die for them.

The ones in heaven are just as much sinners as the ones in hell.

Nope. It's not an excuse. Still waiting for an explanation from you, though.