An atheists world (2)

[lasthero]

it was a full sentence!

period and all!

it was a mistake, but he hasn't retracted it so I am keepin it!

thanks for the ammunition!

It's not a full sentence, it's barely half of what he said.

 

[AV1611VET]

The point is your side is not supposed to lie at all.

And your side is?

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you'll find that it was religious people, not scientists, who wanted Jesus crucified.

Mark 12:37b And the common people heard him gladly.

I think if you look a little more closely, religion & science were interwoven.

(QV John 9)

 

[Mr Strawberry]

If you put Jesus on a planet with scientists,
He will be beaten mercilessly and hanged on a Cross.
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Doesn't the whole plan of your religion require him to be killed? Wasn't that god's plan to begin with? I mean, what would have happened if the story had a different ending with the romans letting Jesus off with a slapped wrist? Wouldn't that have been something of a disaster for your religion? Hardly fair to blame anyone else for god's plan.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

If you put Jesus on a planet with scientists,
He will be beaten mercilessly and hanged on a Cross.
​

Which scientists hanged Jesus on a Cross?

 

[AV1611VET]

Doesn't the whole plan of your religion require him to be killed?

The plan was to allow it to happen; not make it happen.

Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

 

[mzungu]

Which scientists hanged Jesus on a Cross?

The EVILutionists

 

[AV1611VET]

Which scientists hanged Jesus on a Cross?

Them Pharisees and them Sadducees.

(I know, the Romans did it.)

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The EVILutionists

I imagine that if Jesus had been on a planet of scientists (in AV's world, the term loosely translates to rationalist or skeptic), then the events of his life would have transpired very differently. For one, he wouldn't have been crucified for blasphemy.

 

[AV1611VET]

The EVILutionists

You mean the phylogenetically ancient?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Them Pharisees and them Sadducees.

(I know, the Romans did it.)

In what way were the Pharisees and Sadducees scientists?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

The plan was to allow it to happen; not make it happen.

Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

So what would have happened if Jesus had been given a caution instead and told not to be a nuisance, there's a good boy? Your religion would be in something of a mess, would it not?

I can't see how you blame anyone else for god's plan.

 

[AV1611VET]

In what way were the Pharisees and Sadducees scientists?

Empirically?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Empirically?

Could you elaborate on that? What science did they do?

 

[AV1611VET]

Could you elaborate on that?

No, thanks.

I don't need an inquisition here.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, thanks.

I don't need an inquisition here.

Much as I thought. You have no clue.

 

[AV1611VET]

Much as I thought. You have no clue.

Oh, I don't think I'm totally clueless.

This verse ...

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

... says a LOT more than you [probably] think it does.

In fact, it probably pertains more to today, than it did back then.

 

[CarlosTomy]

have any peer reviews of these refrigerator formed "DNA Ice Crystals"? Not that I don't believe you, but I am feeling that this is a basic simplistic illustration with no real, real science behind it. Thanks for the comment!

The point I'm trying to make is that chemically speaking there is nothing in relation to DNA that is beyond basic chemical reactions. The details of which are very much in line with any number of regular reactions you see every day.

I like crystallography because:

1. It relates to DNA (Surely you have read "The Double Helix")
2. It is one of those things I had the pleasure to study to some greater degree in college

Crystallography represents ORDER and organization. If you think of a glass of water it is disorganized and moving around but if you crystallize it it takes on a stunning repeating well ordered shape. Down on the molecular level.

Why is that?

Because the physical rules that control crystals render the molecules nearly incapable of doing anything else (note, there are defects in crystals, just as there are defects in DNA), but the crystal is DRIVEN not by some "designer" that builds each one but a simple set of rules.

DNA is made up largely of C, P, N, O and H. Now the cool thing about organic molecules is that carbon is a special type of element which can, because of its charge and size and electron configuration, make bonds with itself and forms the basis of a rich and variable chemistry....but still plain chemistry. NOt just life...just chemistry.

When those compounds form they have to take shapes that are rigidly defined by the bonds and the atoms.

This is plain ol' chemistry 101 (maybe 301, Organic), but you hopefully get the idea.

The same reactions that govern these things also govern stuff going on in non-living muck. Biochemistry does not make use of non-chemical concepts.

It's just another type of chemistry.

 

[nuttypiglet]

If you put Jesus on a planet with scientists,
He will be beaten mercilessly and hanged on a Cross.
​

nope, they would experiment on him for many years until he dies of old age

 

[nuttypiglet]

The point I'm trying to make is that chemically speaking there is nothing in relation to DNA that is beyond basic chemical reactions. The details of which are very much in line with any number of regular reactions you see every day.

I like crystallography because:

1. It relates to DNA (Surely you have read "The Double Helix")
2. It is one of those things I had the pleasure to study to some greater degree in college

Crystallography represents ORDER and organization. If you think of a glass of water it is disorganized and moving around but if you crystallize it it takes on a stunning repeating well ordered shape. Down on the molecular level.

Why is that?

Because the physical rules that control crystals render the molecules nearly incapable of doing anything else (note, there are defects in crystals, just as there are defects in DNA), but the crystal is DRIVEN not by some "designer" that builds each one but a simple set of rules.

DNA is made up largely of C, P, N, O and H. Now the cool thing about organic molecules is that carbon is a special type of element which can, because of its charge and size and electron configuration, make bonds with itself and forms the basis of a rich and variable chemistry....but still plain chemistry. NOt just life...just chemistry.

When those compounds form they have to take shapes that are rigidly defined by the bonds and the atoms.

This is plain ol' chemistry 101 (maybe 301, Organic), but you hopefully get the idea.

The same reactions that govern these things also govern stuff going on in non-living muck. Biochemistry does not make use of non-chemical concepts.

It's just another type of chemistry.

Well I think you are wrong. Quantum particles for example have been found in plants, doing calculations, telling the cells how much energy it needs to convert from the Sun. I bet such things are happening inside all cells, governing them.