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No. No one should be treated better or worse based on who they associate with. Now, if I were presented with two people I didn't know, Jones a mason and Smith not, I would know somewhat more about Jones than Smith (that he was investigated by a committee and found to be an upstanding man in his community and was elected unanimously to his Lodge), but as a Christian, were both in need, I would do my best to assist both. I also wouldn't assume anything negative about Smith because he was not a Lodge member.

So what is the point in being a member, each is already aware? There must be something different that seperates members from non members.

If I just arrived today on this world, how come I would not be considered a part or vice versa, a part?

I apologize for asking so many personal questions, Im curious.
 
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Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but if you're asking "What might one gain by joining the Lodge", that's really the wrong question. The things gained are intangible - memories, experiences, and Brotherhood.

That is an appropriate response. If I may say so.

Speaking from a perspective, alone. I have viewed the Freemasons as a secretive and prosperous group. I can understand, as could any, that accepting another of a trade, mason, skilled and professional and worthy of working such detailed structures must accomplish all that he is spoken of for and worthy of working with any skilled mason. I can understand a recommendation. If I, an unknown, have the skills and ability to accomplish and expand, do I even get consideration, being alone and poor and willing to do all that is instructed and contribute to the progression of the project far beyond one could imagine, the details, the foundation, the structure itself, if I do not know that secret code? That secret, shadowed in darkness, code? How does George Washington himself tuck his hand into his coat and consider the least?
 
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That is an appropriate response. If I may say so.

Speaking from a perspective, alone. I have viewed the Freemasons as a secretive and prosperous group.

For better or ill, neither of those is true. The secrecy is confined to a few handshakes and passwords, and the average member is quite middle class. There was a time when membership was considered beneficial to men doing business, but that isn't the case anymore.

Commiting is one thing. Volition. Comitting to what?
He was speaking of membership. Traditionally, one has to request to become a member and is not recruited.
 
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Do Freemasons get special privlages that others don't?


There are those that will tell you that Freemasons dont get special privileges, and some that will say they do.

I will be honest and tell you that I do know personally of times when this has happened. My grandfather worked in the aircraft industry back in the 50's and 60's. He told me stories of how some men got promoted over those that deserved it more. My grandfather was not a Mason. I am.

Keep in mind that there are those that get privileges over others for a variety of reason. Family, race, religion, many reasons.

I dont see this happening as much in the last 20-30 years as it did before.

Again, it all depends on who you ask. As a Mason, I will answer anything you ask honestly. Even if it may reflect bad on Freemasonry.
 
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I appreciate your kindness towards me. I havn't read much about the secrets of the free mason or knights of columbus.

Can you answer one question though? Do Masons get special privileges that others dont? A flashing of a ring or a hand signal?

-Perhaps some do.
-Maybe, I can't say.
-Yes.
-No.


I answered that in an earlier response.

An old rumor that I have had substantiated concerns the decals you see on some vehicles.

In the good old days, and when was that? An officer would stop fellow Mason's, but not necessarily write them a ticket. Keep in mind this was only in minor offenses.
 
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I answered that in an earlier response.

An old rumor that I have had substantiated concerns the decals you see on some vehicles.

In the good old days, and when was that? An officer would stop fellow Mason's, but not necessarily write them a ticket. Keep in mind this was only in minor offenses.

I have many times heard Masons say that they have some of these decals if other Masons want some of them for their cars. Not once was it suggested that it would get you anything from anyone. The idea was just that it would show pride of membership the way that people put the decals of their favorite colleges on their cars.
 
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I have many times heard Masons say that they have some of these decals if other Masons want some of them for their cars. Not once was it suggested that it would get you anything from anyone. The idea was just that it would show pride of membership the way that people put the decals of their favorite colleges on their cars.


I agree that some put them on for pride. No doubt at all. I was just saying that at one time it was used for other reasons.

I'm just being honest about what I know.

I have masonic emblems on my airplanes. Those are strictly for pride!
 
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I agree that some put them on for pride. No doubt at all. I was just saying that at one time it was used for other reasons.

I'm just being honest about what I know.

I have masonic emblems on my airplanes. Those are strictly for pride!

and I wasn't denying that things were different in the past. But the opponents of Masonry want everyone to think nothing has changed, which is a clearly incorrect POV.
 
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and I wasn't denying that things were different in the past. But the opponents of Masonry want everyone to think nothing has changed, which is a clearly incorrect POV.


I totally agree. That is why I used my grandfather as a reference in an earlier post.

Ive heard that same old line that Freemasonry is the same today as it was in the beginning. The word for that is 'baloney'.
 
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Yo, Skip.

Was just looking around, trying to find where any of your questions were answered, but didn't come up with anything. Did I miss something?

Saw where Wayne was looking down at his nose because EMFJ is "small potatoes", while at the same time criticizing the success of John Ankerberg, but other than that,
just the normal "snake oil salesman" tag pasted on ministries that engage in Christian apologetics.
 
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Essentially they had a mission statement that kept going after expired - ie. defeating the oppression of crown, tiara, and torch. That kept going after they got the job done satisfactorily and hence gave us the gift of secular humanism and castrating religion in the public sphere. When the Masons got drowsy we got the Theosophic Society in their stead who took things a bit farther and when they ran out of gas we got we got Lucis Trust, Club of Rome, Trilateral, and all kinds of fun stuff like that.

Something else has been leading a process, typically any organization just ends up functioning as a stage - set up on what seem to be good ideas on their grounds and in response to a violence (in the case of Freemasonry it was all the Voltaire list problems). For most Christians ceremonial magic, Egyptian deity, and Hermeticism usually aren't selling points. The more concrete deliverable though would be secular humanism and an utterly numbing and sterilizing liberalism in the culture that no one has any idea how to reason with. Our culture starts splitting and fraying, apparently individuation is all a huge part of the involution/evolution cycle and with that individuation and customization of the individual is part of keeping the 'great work' on track.

All of this seems like the most responsible thing a person could do if they're a theosophist of one kind or another - ie. assisting the evolution of the earth toward higher level of human development and consciousness. Different theories on that - fixing the fallen astral nature, cultivating the etheric organs, getting people in touch with their higher self (what others would simply call the true self). I'd have to ask them though - with the drug problems, with the juvenile delinquency, when they can't due without locking their doors in the suburbs or can hardly let the kids play outside because of the risk of perverts - how's all that working out? Secularizing was supposed to open the door to forward progress, again sounds great, but it takes something of a pantheistic monist to see things that way.

This is pretty much where a rubbish bill of goods gets sold to people with good intent. Organizations constantly rotate members, the reputation lifts the organization, and if one hundred years later what's happening would make the founders roll over in their grave; the joke is on them.

One thing they did right - they founded the US on the constitution we have and who knows, perhaps all the Hermetic symbolism in Washington DC did pay off. It was a country based on religious morality but under-girded ultimately with reason for the sake of individual liberty where the worst you could get for having a different philosophic opinion is funny looks. It was right the way it was but - the organization flew over its purpose. Francis Bacon thought we'd be the New Atlantis, I think that'll be right on all accounts in full life cycle including the 'Babylon the Great' award.
 
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Don't know that you can necessarily give credit to Freemasonry for founding this country, since most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and U S Constitution were not Masons. Granted, they were all patriots, and that is where the credit should lie.
 
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I was on a separate research about the occult and Jewish myths, especially on King Solomon and his seal which is supposed to be a ring that he used to control demons. If I cross reference this with research on scriptures in Greek, then the seal can also be used to control people, i.e. manipulation of the masses, "social engineering".

The ring looks very much like a masonic ring. Instead of the masonic compass and square rule, it had a hexagram. Of course, the hexagram looks very much like the fashion the compass and rule are placed together in Freemasonry.

Ironically, Freemasons makes a high mention of King Solomon.

Before anyone would accuse me of looking at conspiracy sites, I was looking at "legitimate" occult information as part of my research in the esoteric roots and rituals of Christianity that is denied by the Orthodoxy and mainstream beliefs. I wasn't particularly looking for Freemasonry connection since I'm far more concerned with the corruption within modern Christianity.

When I saw this thread, it just happened, I'm familiar with both the Freemason ring and the Seal of Solomon and saw the connection. And King Solomon isn't your typical "holy man" as most Christians wish to believe, especially those who wishes to connect wealth with righteousness. King Solomon is far more typical of being an "antichrist" figure than anything else.
 
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Interesting word, "myth". In this case, I believe the proper definition would be, "any invented story, idea, or concept"

I don't know who you have polled on the matter of some sort of alleged holiness attributed to King Solomon by "most Christians", but you are way off base. None is holy but God. Holiness is distinctly and singularly attributed to the True and Living God. Nor do any Christians I am aware of harbor any confusion about righteousness and worldly wealth.

But then, this does serve to detract from my original post, right?:)
 
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Interesting word, "myth". In this case, I believe the proper definition would be, "any invented story, idea, or concept"

I call it a myth because it is of significant difference to our Christian theology.

There's even a reference to it in the Talmud so it's not just any story. But it is not an attempt by the Jews to demonize King Solomon as they highly esteem and respect King Solomon (probably even more than Jesus).

It simply does not bother the Jews/Judaism that King Solomon employed demons to work for him. To them, it's not evil. Perhaps, it's not a coincidence why Jewish texts often end up in studies in occult. It reflects the affinity of Jewish beliefs to the manipulation of spiritual entities, elementals, etc, demons or not and is implicated by Jesus in Matthew 12:27.

Just saying that anyone who is in Judaism or supports that religion or Zionism, shouldn't have any problems with Freemasonry as Freemasonry seems like an offshoot of Judaism. Quite many icons, symbols, rituals, and beliefs similar between the two.
 
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Was just looking around, trying to find where any of your questions were answered, but didn't come up with anything. Did I miss something?
No, but that was no surprise. The best way to shut a mason up is to ask him about his GL materials. For some odd reason, they refuse to discuss those in any logical way.

Saw where Wayne was looking down at his nose because EMFJ is "small potatoes", while at the same time criticizing the success of John Ankerberg, but other than that, just the normal "snake oil salesman" tag pasted on ministries that engage in Christian apologetics.
They continue to ignore the main fact that Freemasonry in the U.S. is now down to about 1.3 million men, from over 4 million. We've stripped away its mystique, exposing it for all to see, and men don't like what they see. Too, they see average Masons like Wayne in typical Masonic discussions and are really repelled. Cordially, Skip.
 
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