An atheists world (2)

[EternalDragon]

No it doesn't. The Bible does but ID doesn't. In fact, ID doesn't deal with anything at all. It doesn't because it doesn't exist. Go on, look around. I'll give you some time. Please present to us the Theory of Intelligent Design. If you come up with more than "goddidit" I'll be personally amazed. There is much that's attributed to ID but has nothing to do with ID.

Now, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. I KNOW what ID is. But I'm not gonna tell you. If you supposedly believe in it and accept it and think it's wonderful I would expect that you could tell others what it is.

I asked my 15 year old son and he got it right the first time. I'm sure you can figure it out without me.

 

[EternalDragon]

Science FTW!

Oooh! Brainwashed kids! Neato!

 

[createdtoworship]

From the paper, the main conclusion: "A single exception of non trivial, unaided spontaneous optimization of formal function by truly natural process would falsify this null hypothesis." I can give you a list of new "formal functions" by "truly natural processes", which would falsify his hypothesis. I will begin with this one:

Three-dimensional Structure of Nylon Hydrolase and Mechanism of Nylon-6 Hydrolysis

The above describes an enzyme that appeared through mutation and gave their bearers the new function of digesting nylon.

is mutations trivial? I would think so, nor would I believe they were "formal"

 

[CabVet]

is mutations trivial? I would think so, nor would I believe they were "formal"

Yes, mutations are trivial. Do you know what a mutation is?

 

[CabVet]

I asked my 15 year old son and he got it right the first time. I'm sure you can figure it out without me.

Oh, at what age did he start going to church? Let me guess... A few weeks old?

 

[createdtoworship]

Yes, mutations are trivial. Do you know what a mutation is?

well the article specifically asks for non trivial, formal events.

 

[CabVet]

well the article specifically asks for non trivial, formal events.

And I gave you one. Do you want more?

Cockroaches Mutate to Find Sweet Glucose Bait Bitter - Tested

New function.

I will however repeat my unanswered question. Do you know what a mutation is?

 

[EternalDragon]

Oh, at what age did he start going to church? Let me guess... A few weeks old?

Church has nothing to do with defining a word or words.

 

[Skaloop]

Oooh! Brainwashed kids! Neato!

So now basic education is brainwashing?

 

[CabVet]

Church has nothing to do with defining a word or words.

Glad that you admit to that. It does have everything to do with ID though, which is the subject of this discussion.

 

[createdtoworship]

And I gave you one. Do you want more?

Cockroaches Mutate to Find Sweet Glucose Bait Bitter - Tested

New function.

I will however repeat my unanswered question. Do you know what a mutation is?

He wants non trivial, normal operation, publically formal.....you know what He wants and yet you provide mutation.

mutations are always negative, never adding new information to the gene pool. So yes I know what mutations are.

what he was asking for was not random, a process that naturally occurs.

 

[CabVet]

He wants non trivial, normal operation, publically formal.....you know what He wants and yet you provide mutation.

mutations are always negative, never adding new information to the gene pool. So yes I know what mutations are.

what he was asking for was not random, a process that naturally occurs.

I gave you a non-trivial, normal operation, publically formal (whatever that means) example.

I will ask again, for the third time, do you know what a mutation is?

 

[HeathenWarrior]

Looks like a lot of people here have taken the blue pill...

 

[biggles53]

He wants non trivial, normal operation, publically formal.....you know what He wants and yet you provide mutation.

mutations are always negative, never adding new information to the gene pool. So yes I know what mutations are.

what he was asking for was not random, a process that naturally occurs.

Totally incorrect.....who was cutting school when they should have been attending biology class...!?

The majority of mutations are benign. From your picture, you appear to be a parent...? That child of yours possesses somewhere between 100-200 mutations in his/her genome that don't appear in either of the parents. Chances are that all of those mutations are neutral.

Some, however, convey harmful effects...we are all familiar with stories of individual children afflicted with genetic abnormalities. Occasionally, however, the mutation conveys a beneficial effect -eg, the development of lighter pigmented skin being selected in humans which live further from the equator - permits effective production of vitamin D in a weaker sun exposure. These beneficial mutations tend to persist and spread through the genetic population, as they confer a reproductive advantage, whereas the harmful ones (literally) die out....

 

[createdtoworship]

I gave you a non-trivial, normal operation, publically formal (whatever that means) example.

I will ask again, for the third time, do you know what a mutation is?

ok to prove what I know about mutations,

I will ask you one question.

Do you have any mutation to illustrate the failure of the ID peer review, that actually adds information to the genetic code, in that it is positive.

thats what He's talking about, not some random non beneficial happenstance.

 

[createdtoworship]

Totally incorrect.....who was cutting school when they should have been attending biology class...!?

The majority of mutations are benign. From your picture, you appear to be a parent...? That child of yours possesses somewhere between 100-200 mutations in his/her genome that don't appear in either of the parents. Chances are that all of those mutations are neutral.

Some, however, convey harmful effects...we are all familiar with stories of individual children afflicted with genetic abnormalities. Occasionally, however, the mutation conveys a beneficial effect -eg, the development of lighter pigmented skin being selected in humans which live further from the equator - permits effective production of vitamin D in a weaker sun exposure. These beneficial mutations tend to persist and spread through the genetic population, as they confer a reproductive advantage, whereas the harmful ones (literally) die out....

actually it's partially correct, in that mutations don't give any new information to the genetic code so evolutionary wise, they are useless.

 

[kellhus]

actually it's partially correct, in that mutations don't give any new information to the genetic code so evolutionary wise, they are useless.

That's totally untrue.

 

[createdtoworship]

Looks like a lot of people here have taken the blue pill...

I say "no" to drugs.

 

[Lethe]

I am having anxiety pains just watching the cognitive dissonance over in gradyll's head.

 

[kellhus]

I am having anxiety pains just watching the cognitive dissonance over in gradyll's head.

I just feel pity and mild annoyance myself.