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Well, it is just not part of the theory.
Why is abiogenesis not part of the evolution theory? I say it has to be part of it but it is not.
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Well, it is just not part of the theory.
Why is abiogenesis not part of the evolution theory? I say it has to be part of it but it is not.
Actually at that point I was unsure if it was sound science or not. And no, you did not wait for me here. This was prior to my joining this board so it predates your illustrious CF career.
Then perhaps you should explain it? If I had to guess I would say it has to do with your idea that anything God did bypassed science (which would be true. Science is a process of discovery of knowledge about the natural world).
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Therein lies the problem.
Because evolution deals with the diversity of life, not the beginning of it. It never claimed to deal with the origin of life. Not once.
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Peer-Reviewed Pro-Intelligent Design Paper Suggests "Agents" and "Choice Contingency" Needed to Explain Life's Programming - Evolution News & Views
a 2009 peer review summary in above link,
try that one.
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Not just by coincidence. His decision is for the right reasons.
No, a priori assumptions.
Whatever you say.
None, but I did read books about it, including these:
Amazon.com: Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science & Theology (9780830823147): William A. Dembski, Michael Behe: Books
http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Doubt...1377636306&sr=1-3&keywords=intelligent+design
Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution: Michael J. Behe: 9780743290319: Amazon.com: Books
And a few others.
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Good.
Belk spent time on an ID board.
You read books on ID.
I read Genesis 1:1.
We all three agree that ID isn't science.
I call that a win-win-win situation; don't you?
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I followed the link to the article and it seems to be more of a question of abiognesis than a question of evolution and at best it is an argument from ignorance, again.
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EternalDragon
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Well, there you go. ID theory deals with the diversity of life as well as the beginning of it.
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Subduction Zone
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Wrong. "Theory" has a very specific meaning in science. There is no "ID theory".
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From the paper, the main conclusion: "A single exception of non trivial, unaided spontaneous optimization of formal function by truly natural process would falsify this null hypothesis." I can give you a list of new "formal functions" by "truly natural processes", which would falsify his hypothesis. I will begin with this one:
Three-dimensional Structure of Nylon Hydrolase and Mechanism of Nylon-6 Hydrolysis
The above describes an enzyme that appeared through mutation and gave their bearers the new function of digesting nylon.
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In science we break things down to subjects that are relevant so that we can discuss them without getting sidetracked. It's why we have different fields of study, like biology and physics. It wouldn't make sense to mix the two now would it? And then we get into what we study in each discipline. It makes no sense to study gunpowder formulations and ballistics of cannonballs together even though they're both needed in the function.
Abiogenesis is about how life STARTED
Evolution is about how life CHANGES
No, they're not part of the same thing.
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I really can't understand why anti-evolution folks get so up in arms about how evolution can't explain where life came from, while at the same time being totally OK with gravity not explaining where matter came from.
It's almost like only one of those theories strikes at the heart of their religious beliefs...
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No it doesn't. The Bible does but ID doesn't. In fact, ID doesn't deal with anything at all. It doesn't because it doesn't exist. Go on, look around. I'll give you some time. Please present to us the Theory of Intelligent Design. If you come up with more than "goddidit" I'll be personally amazed. There is much that's attributed to ID but has nothing to do with ID.
Now, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. I KNOW what ID is. But I'm not gonna tell you. If you supposedly believe in it and accept it and think it's wonderful I would expect that you could tell others what it is.
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