An atheists world

[Loudmouth]

But that's just it. Your interpretation of God is not the biblical one.

How so?

Again, my kids doing wrong or good are not faults. They are free choices.

Do your kids have the free choice of suddenly turning invisible? If not, has God taken away their free will? Why couldn't God make doing wrong as impossible as turning invisible?

I would also forgive them should they come to me and merely ask.

Would you punish your grandchildren for something your children did?

And even if I know what would befall them I would still have them, because not having them at all would be worse.

So God could have made Adam and Eve so that they wouldn't sin, but he decided to make them so they would sin, and then punished the rest of humanity for something they didn't do. Yeah, nice theology you have going there.

 

[Lethe]

I would also forgive them should they come to me and merely ask.

Just like you'd torture them forever and ever if they don't love you, right?

 

[EternalDragon]

So God could have made Adam and Eve so that they wouldn't sin, but he decided to make them so they would sin, and then punished the rest of humanity for something they didn't do. Yeah, nice theology you have going there.

I think somehow you want absolutely no evil and free will.

Well, that is what it will be like in the new heavens and earth. The end result of God's plan. Will you be there? Have you accepted Jesus as your lord and savior? Have you turned back to God your creator?

 

[Skaloop]

I think somehow you want absolutely no evil and free will.

Well, that is what it will be like in the new heavens and earth.

Then why can't it be like that on this earth?

 

[Loudmouth]

I think somehow you want absolutely no evil and free will.

I can't suddenly turn invisible, so does that mean that God took away my free will?

Well, that is what it will be like in the new heavens and earth. The end result of God's plan.

Then why not start humans in the heavens?

Have you accepted Jesus as your lord and savior?

Have you sacrificed an animal for Zeus today?

Have you turned back to God your creator?

Have you turned your back on Vishnu?

 

[biggles53]

But that's just it. Your interpretation of God is not the biblical one.

Again, my kids doing wrong or good are not faults. They are free choices. I would also forgive them should they come to me and merely ask. And even if I know what would befall them I would still have them, because not having them at all would be worse.

Aah...still squirming I see....

Let's see how far away from a 'biblical interpretation' I am.....

Do you believe that your god designed and created us...?

Do you believe that we were created with capacity to choose both good and evil?

Do you believe that your god is all- seeing.....that it has known in advance all the choices we will make in our lives....?

Do you believe that your god makes a judgement of us, in order to determine those who will receive its gift of eternal life...?

Now tell me that my interpretation is faulty......

 

[createdtoworship]

FREE will is still present even though we are elected.

1 Peter 1:2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father

so when God chose adam, He knew what adam would do ahead of time. Yes He took the apple but He still followed God.

If you take an apple and run away from God then you are obviously not chosen. God didn't chose that person. He choses in part on foreknowledge of whether or not someone will also follow Him.

 

[createdtoworship]

Just like you'd torture them forever and ever if they don't love you, right?

we don't know everythought and how "mans heart is evil continually"

our kids, well we can't read their minds, so it's different.

 

[AV1611VET]

FREE will is still present even though we are elected.

Meh ...

They've found a doctrine to push around and use as a conduit to vent their anger and ridicule at God and us for awhile.

When they get bored, they'll move on to something else.

 

[Lethe]

we don't know everythought and how "mans heart is evil continually"

our kids, well we can't read their minds, so it's different.

Why do you need to read their minds? Your book just told you in your previous sentence: "mans heart is evil continuously." You know, you've just told me you already know.

Also, you're not winning any points morally by giving an I-can't-read-my-kids-minds-but-if-I-could-I'd-be-justified-in-torturing-them-forever, defense.

 

[createdtoworship]

Why do you need to read their minds? Your book just told you in your previous sentence: "mans heart is evil continuously." You know, you've just told me you already know.

Also, you're not winning any points morally by giving an I-can't-read-my-kids-minds-but-if-I-could-I'd-be-justified-in-torturing-them-forever, defense.

so you if you could read someone's mind that was evil continually, manson style.....you would just blow it off?

Once you imprisoned them they'd do it again.

 

[createdtoworship]

Meh ...

They've found a doctrine to push around and use as a conduit to vent their anger and ridicule at God and us for awhile.

When they get bored, they'll move on to something else.

true, it doesn't make any sense to me, I honestly don't understand the confusion. I mean maybe a little, but not really.

 

[biggles53]

Meh ...

They've found a doctrine to push around and use as a conduit to vent their anger and ridicule at God and us for awhile.

When they get bored, they'll move on to something else.

Nice attempt at shifting the focus.....yet again...

It may have escaped your ability to analyse, but it's pretty well impossible to "vent anger" against something which you don't believe exists...!

But hey....anything rather than focusing on the question....right?

 

[GenetoJean]

true, it doesn't make any sense to me, I honestly don't understand the confusion. I mean maybe a little, but not really.

It can be kind of confusing when you find something that is blatantly clear to you that others completely dont understand.

 

[RedRover]

Name them.....

I know your putting on an act. Still I think your a lot closer to what you pretend to be then you realize.

 

[biggles53]

I know your putting on an act. Still I think your a lot closer to what you pretend to be then you realize.

"You're" "than".....

Name them......any of them...

 

[Lethe]

Naming them is irrelevant. As last week's press feeding frenzy over the Mystery Miracle Priest proved, the number of witnesses is irrelevant to the actual details of what happened, which diverged strongly with eyewitness accounts from many people.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Naming them is irrelevant. As last week's press feeding frenzy over the Mystery Miracle Priest proved, the number of witnesses is irrelevant to the actual details of what happened, which diverged strongly with eyewitness accounts from many people.

Hey!! No fair..

Explaining a miracle makes it go away.

 

[RedRover]

Name them.....

All of the disciples plus Paul & Luke. Also all of the early church fathers give a witness and a testimony that Jesus was a real person.

 

[createdtoworship]

Hey!! No fair..

Explaining a miracle makes it go away.

Hey here is a true miracle. Just kidding, but it's pretty amazing.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Atheism