The books of Hebrews and Revelation prove the unchangeableness of God's Holy Law. (2)

[Stryder06]

Don't know, but someone had to. In this case it was a person we know as Jesus Christ.

You said it's in the bible. If that's the case you shouldn't have any problem finding where the bible says that Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

If you don't know, then it would be in your best interest to edit your statement and admit as much.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Don't know, but someone had to. In this case it was a person we know as Jesus Christ.

Perhaps because the Law can only condemn us and since there is no condemnation in Jesus, then being in Jesus we cannot be under the Law otherwise we would invariably end up condemned yet still.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Stryder06

Here's a good question: what was Christ suppose to fulfill?
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Originally Posted by from scratch

The law and the prophets according to my Bible. Jesus said He did and that's good enough for me.
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Originally Posted by Stryder06

Where does the bible say that Jesus was supposed to fulfill the law and the prophets?
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Originally Posted by from scratch

Don't know, but someone had to. In this case it was a person we know as Jesus Christ.
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You said it's in the bible. If that's the case you shouldn't have any problem finding where the bible says that Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

If you don't know, then it would be in your best interest to edit your statement and admit as much.

We can start with the Psalms, or better yet, make a thread on it.....

Luk 24:44
Then He said to them, "These [are] the words which I spoke to ye while I was still with ye,
that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and [the] Prophets and [the] Psalms concerning Me."



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[from scratch]

You said it's in the bible. If that's the case you shouldn't have any problem finding where the bible says that Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

If you don't know, then it would be in your best interest to edit your statement and admit as much.

What is the reason for prophecy? If Jesus hadn't done who would have? Prophecy about The Redeemer had to be fulfilled by someone or there could be none.

 

[Stryder06]

What is the reason for prophecy? If Jesus hadn't done who would have? Prophecy about The Redeemer had to be fulfilled by someone or there could be none.

I agree. The prophecies about Jesus had to be fulfilled. That however isn't what you said. You said that Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets. If this is so, where does it so that in the bible.

If you're stance now is that Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies about Himself, then that is fine.

 

[from scratch]

I agree. The prophecies about Jesus had to be fulfilled. That however isn't what you said. You said that Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets. If this is so, where does it so that in the bible.

If you're stance now is that Jesus came to fulfill the prophecies about Himself, then that is fine.

And what else would we be talking about? That is exactly what Jesus was talking about in Mat 5 verified by His words in LK 24.

 

[Rev Randy]

We can start with the Psalms, or better yet, make a thread on it.....

Luk 24:44
Then He said to them, "These [are] the words which I spoke to ye while I was still with ye,
that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and [the] Prophets and [the] Psalms concerning Me."



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That's enough of an answer for me. I really don't need another sabbatarian thread that goes on and on and on.........................

 

[Stryder06]

And what else would we be talking about? That is exactly what Jesus was talking about in Mat 5 verified by His words in LK 24.

We'd be talking about what needs to be understood. What in the law did He come to fulfill? What prophecies? It's easy to say "the law and the prophets" but it's another matter entirely when it comes to understanding that.

 

[Stryder06]

We can start with the Psalms, or better yet, make a thread on it.....

Luk 24:44
Then He said to them, "These [are] the words which I spoke to ye while I was still with ye,
that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and [the] Prophets and [the] Psalms concerning Me."



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That's enough of an answer for me. I really don't need another sabbatarian thread that goes on and on and on.........................

This is wonderful in truth. The only thing you'd need to do now is look in the law and the prophets to see what they say about Christ and you'll know what He came to fulfill.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

We can start with the Psalms, or better yet, make a thread on it.....
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That's enough of an answer for me. I really don't need another sabbatarian thread that goes on and on and on.........................

Like the energizer bunny

http://www.christianforums.com/t7430788/
This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All

Originally Posted by cyberlizard

You cannot help but notice the proliferation of Sabbath threads on the forum, but what I want to know is why.

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Originally Posted by pgp_protector

What! 3 years later the debate isn't over?
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I thought the OP Stated It WOULD End the debate once and for all.
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[Rev Randy]

Like the energizer bunny

http://www.christianforums.com/t7430788/
This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All







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Yes that bunny was in my mind. I hear great minds think alike. I sure hope you have a great one as mine is iffy.

 

[Keachian]

You said it's in the bible. If that's the case you shouldn't have any problem finding where the bible says that Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

If you don't know, then it would be in your best interest to edit your statement and admit as much.

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[Stryder06]

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Yes, but what was to be fulfilled? What in the law and what in the prophets?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by progmonk

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
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Yes, but what was to be fulfilled? What in the law and what in the prophets?

How about His death and resurrection as spoken of in Jonah?

Mat 12:
39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
40 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

"Oh goodie! Another human for dinner!"




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[from scratch]

Yes, but what was to be fulfilled? What in the law and what in the prophets?

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

 

[Leuko Petra]

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luke 24:44-45:

And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. Luke 24:44

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, Luke 24:45

What then did Jesus mean by "all things"? It is that which was concerning Him, "while [he] was yet with [them]"?

When was He, Jesus the Christ, with them?

During His First Advent.

What then did Jesus mean, when He said that He opened their understanding in the scriptures, in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms concerning Him?

Contextually, it is that which was written to be fulfilled of His First Advent...

See Luke 24:46-48 [context], speaks of Christ's suffering, rising from the dead the third day [1st Advent language], and repentance and remission of sins to be preached [still 1st Advent language, for in the 2nd Advent [nor 3rd] no such thing will be done any more], and witnesses of these things [1st Advent witnesses]].

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Luke 24:46

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:47

And ye are witnesses of these things. Luke 24:48

And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Luke 24:49

What promise was that? The promise of the Holy Spirit, even as it was foretold in scripture by prophecy and typologically [Exodus 29:7; Leviticus 8:12; Psalms 133, etc]. This had not yet been fulfilled either, for in Acts 2:1, we see that the Great Day of the True Pentecost was "fully come". Iow, then fulfilled [after Christ Jesus death on the Cross and Resurrection and 2nd Ascension, - Mt. Olivet] by what transpired in Heaven. Christ Jesus became the Great Highpriest, and the Head of the Body anointed there for the daily service in the Holy Place of the Heavenly Tabernacle. For we see in Acts 1:20 that something had not yet been fulfilled in regards to Jesus, for there needed to be 12 [Exodus 28:21-22, 29:5, 39:14] before He continued, [for at that time only 11 remained, thus the 12th, Matthias was chosen of God [Acts 1:26], being "numbered" with the other 11] :

For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Acts 1:20

For this too needed to be "fulfilled" [Acts 1:16], since the first portion, the removal and end of Judas, was.

Continuing onward, it also reveals that more was still to be fulfilled about Christ Jesus:

And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. Luke 24:51

This was foretold, in Psalms 24.

Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? Psalms 24:3

Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Psalms 24:7

Who [is] this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Psalms 24:8

What Battle was Jesus victorious in?

The Battle with Satan at the Cross, even as Revelation 12:10, etc reveals, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift [them] up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Psalms 24:9

Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he [is] the King of glory. Selah. Psalms 24:10

It had not yet taken place, and even Revelation 12:5, reveals "...child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne...".

Jesus was then to be anointed as Great High Priest and send forth the Holy Spirit as promised:

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Revelation 5:6

See Psalms 133:1-3.

[[A Song of degrees of David.]] Behold, how good and how pleasant [it is] for brethren to dwell together in unity! Psalms 133:1 [see "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." Acts 2:1]

[It is] like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, [even] Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; Psalms 133:2 [Holy Spirit poured out upon Christ Jesus our Head in Heaven, and ran down unto the body, even unto the feet, and the feet will be the remnant...]

As the dew of Hermon, [and as the dew] that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, [even] life for evermore. Psalms 133:3

"All", in Luke 24:44 is subject to context, it speaks of "all" that which pertained unto the contextual events mentioned therein as seen above.

Therefore, Jesus did not fulfill "all" [every last prophecy], yet, since He had a work to do in the Heavenly as our Great High Priest, and all the events surrounding it, as well as His coming as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, etc. Even moreso, we could look at Luke 24:44, as saying that "all" [everything], "must be" [as in meaning, it still remains for some things to be] fulfilled concerning Jesus, and all is not yet so done, but Jesus opened the scriptures and showed them that which had up to that point been fulfilled concerning Him.

"All" is subject to context, even as it "always" is.

 

[Leuko Petra]

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Let us continue reading, ok Brother?

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

Jesus speaks of this "pass[ing away]", here:

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:35 [see also Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33]

Peter speaks of this:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10

...and if we continue reading brother in Matthew 5, please notice with me the following:

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19

What "these...commandments"? They are found in, "...the Law or the Prophets..."Let us look contextually at two...

"Thou shalt not kill..." Matthew 5:21

"Thou shalt not commit adultery..." Matthew 5:27

Where are these two commandments found that Jesus is making reference to? Jesus is citing a portion of the Ten Commandments [Exodus 20], which He Himself just said, not a single itsy-bitsy portion of them would pass away, neither did He come to "abolish".

Prophecy foretold:

The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make [it] honourable. Isaiah 42:21

 

[Stryder06]

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

You're still not answering the question. We know Jesus came to fulfill the things written about Him in the law, prophets, and psalms. The question is what are those things?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

We can start with the Psalms, or better yet, make a thread on it.....

Luk 24:44
Then He said to them, "These [are] the words which I spoke to ye while I was still with ye,
that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and [the] Prophets and [the] Psalms concerning Me.".
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Originally Posted by Rev Randy

That's enough of an answer for me. I really don't need another sabbatarian thread that goes on and on and on.........................
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This is wonderful in truth. The only thing you'd need to do now is look in the law and the prophets to see what they say about Christ and you'll know what He came to fulfill.

Originally Posted by Stryder06

Yes, but what was to be fulfilled? What in the law and what in the prophets?
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You're still not answering the question. We know Jesus came to fulfill the things written about Him in the law, prophets, and psalms. The question is what are those things?

Is this dance still going

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8a9yj7IOOo




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[from scratch]

Luke 24:44-45:

And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. Luke 24:44

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, Luke 24:45

What then did Jesus mean by "all things"? It is that which was concerning Him, "while [he] was yet with [them]"?

When was He, Jesus the Christ, with them?

During His First Advent.

What then did Jesus mean, when He said that He opened their understanding in the scriptures, in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms concerning Him?

Contextually, it is that which was written to be fulfilled of His First Advent...

See Luke 24:46-48 [context], speaks of Christ's suffering, rising from the dead the third day [1st Advent language], and repentance and remission of sins to be preached [still 1st Advent language, for in the 2nd Advent [nor 3rd] no such thing will be done any more], and witnesses of these things [1st Advent witnesses]].

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: Luke 24:46

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luke 24:47

And ye are witnesses of these things. Luke 24:48

And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high. Luke 24:49

What promise was that? The promise of the Holy Spirit, even as it was foretold in scripture by prophecy and typologically [Exodus 29:7; Leviticus 8:12; Psalms 133, etc]. This had not yet been fulfilled either, for in Acts 2:1, we see that the Great Day of the True Pentecost was "fully come". Iow, then fulfilled [after Christ Jesus death on the Cross and Resurrection and 2nd Ascension, - Mt. Olivet] by what transpired in Heaven. Christ Jesus became the Great Highpriest, and the Head of the Body anointed there for the daily service in the Holy Place of the Heavenly Tabernacle. For we see in Acts 1:20 that something had not yet been fulfilled in regards to Jesus, for there needed to be 12 [Exodus 28:21-22, 29:5, 39:14] before He continued, [for at that time only 11 remained, thus the 12th, Matthias was chosen of God [Acts 1:26], being "numbered" with the other 11] :

For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Acts 1:20

For this too needed to be "fulfilled" [Acts 1:16], since the first portion, the removal and end of Judas, was.

Continuing onward, it also reveals that more was still to be fulfilled about Christ Jesus:

And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. Luke 24:51

This was foretold, in Psalms 24.

Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? Psalms 24:3

Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Psalms 24:7

Who [is] this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Psalms 24:8

What Battle was Jesus victorious in?

The Battle with Satan at the Cross, even as Revelation 12:10, etc reveals, "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift [them] up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Psalms 24:9

Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he [is] the King of glory. Selah. Psalms 24:10

It had not yet taken place, and even Revelation 12:5, reveals "...child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne...".

Jesus was then to be anointed as Great High Priest and send forth the Holy Spirit as promised:

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Revelation 5:6

See Psalms 133:1-3.

[[A Song of degrees of David.]] Behold, how good and how pleasant [it is] for brethren to dwell together in unity! Psalms 133:1 [see "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." Acts 2:1]

[It is] like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, [even] Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments; Psalms 133:2 [Holy Spirit poured out upon Christ Jesus our Head in Heaven, and ran down unto the body, even unto the feet, and the feet will be the remnant...]

As the dew of Hermon, [and as the dew] that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, [even] life for evermore. Psalms 133:3

"All", in Luke 24:44 is subject to context, it speaks of "all" that which pertained unto the contextual events mentioned therein as seen above.

Therefore, Jesus did not fulfill "all" [every last prophecy], yet, since He had a work to do in the Heavenly as our Great High Priest, and all the events surrounding it, as well as His coming as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, etc. Even moreso, we could look at Luke 24:44, as saying that "all" [everything], "must be" [as in meaning, it still remains for some things to be] fulfilled concerning Jesus, and all is not yet so done, but Jesus opened the scriptures and showed them that which had up to that point been fulfilled concerning Him.

"All" is subject to context, even as it "always" is.

I understand your need to contort the verse out of its intended meaning.

No I didn't read all your long meaningless post trying to confuse the truth.