The books of Hebrews and Revelation prove the unchangeableness of God's Holy Law. (2)

[Stryder06]

Yup... too bad those adventists back then weren't of another denomination many of them wouldn't have sold everything thinking Jesus was coming in 1844.

There was no Adventist denomination then. They were all of another denomination.

Ironic that we are being told we are less knowledgeable about prophecy by a group that was founded by people who were unable to read the bible where it says nobody knows the time Jesus is coming. A simple scripture overlooked by a church that prides itself on knowing more than the rest of us.

It's not about pride, it's about truth. And the truth is that the Adventist church does prophecy better. Don't be jelly

 

[Stryder06]

Notice that it was William Miller who busted your premise, and not me.

William didn't bust anything. His opinions are his own, and it doesn't make them right. By the way, Miller was dead way before the Seventh Day Adventist church existed, and those individuals did a lot of growing after 1844 thanks to much bible study.

 

[VictorC]

William didn't bust anything. His opinions are his own, and it doesn't make them right. By the way, Miller was dead way before the Seventh Day Adventist church existed, and those individuals did a lot of growing after 1844 thanks to much bible study.

Allow me to condense all of your posts into one summation: It doesn't matter to you what other authorities opine, and your rendition of 'truth' supersedes Scripture. It is the worst form of wishful thinking I have seen in a long time, that doesn't even attempt to validate the fallacious 'truth' you hold so dear.

Go read Proverbs 12:15 at your convenience.

 

[Sophrosyne]

There was no Adventist denomination then. They were all of another denomination.

they were all adventists, that was their common bond thus essentially the same as denomination

It's not about pride, it's about truth. And the truth is that the Adventist church does prophecy better. Don't be jelly

Adventists then got it wrong, what makes you think history doesn't repeat itself? Pride says it will do so and prove those who think they know prophecy best to be wrong.

 

[Stryder06]

Allow me to condense all of your posts into one summation: It doesn't matter to you what other authorities opine, and your rendition of 'truth' supersedes Scripture. It is the worst form of wishful thinking I have seen in a long time, that doesn't even attempt to validate the fallacious 'truth' you hold so dear.

Go read Proverbs 12:15 at your convenience.

I've read Proverbs 12:15. Thank you. But a little advise, if you're going to condense what I say, at least be accurate about it. Try not to mingle it with your own misunderstanding of what I mean. Of course if you're trying to misrepresent what I'm saying on purpose, than continue on.

And let me clarify, I never meant to try to "validate" what I believe with you. We've been down that road already. You asked a question and I gave you the answer. When it comes to scripture, there's no way to "prove" anything to anyone unless the Spirit opens that truth to them. And that will not happen with an individual who tells the Spirit "No thanks, I'm good."

 

[Stryder06]

they were all adventists, that was their common bond thus essentially the same as denomination

They still weren't a denomination. I hold verious beliefs in common with many baptists. Doesn't make me one.

Adventists then got it wrong, what makes you think history doesn't repeat itself? Pride says it will do so and prove those who think they know prophecy best to be wrong.

Adventists yes. Seventh Day Adventists, no. And there's nothing to repeat. Like I already said, it has nothing to do with pride. Truth is truth. What really get's me is how people who don't study prophecy always try to tell someone else how wrong they are.

 

[VictorC]

I've read Proverbs 12:15. Thank you. But a little advise, if you're going to condense what I say, at least be accurate about it. Try not to mingle it with your own misunderstanding of what I mean. Of course if you're trying to misrepresent what I'm saying on purpose, than continue on.

And let me clarify, I never meant to try to "validate" what I believe with you. We've been down that road already. You asked a question and I gave you the answer.

No. This is what I pointed out to you - you didn't even attempt to provide an answer. Just your opinion, with no regard for any external authority, including the Bible. Your opinion was rendered in snide snippets without substance, and you're adding posts without content.

When it comes to scripture, there's no way to "prove" anything to anyone unless the Spirit opens that truth to them. And that will not happen with an individual who tells the Spirit "No thanks, I'm good."

Jesus is the Truth, and God's inspired Word is the final arbiter of Truth. When you dispense with Jesus Christ and His Word, it shows no regard for the Spirit of the Living God. The implications should be clear to you, as it is to others.

 

[Stryder06]

No. This is what I pointed out to you - you didn't even attempt to provide an answer. Just your opinion, with no regard for any external authority, including the Bible. Your opinion was rendered in snide snippets without substance, and you're adding posts without content.

Nothing snide about it. You asked where the IJ is found, and I told you it's in the sanctuary. Last I checked that's in the bible.

Jesus is the Truth, and God's inspired Word is the final arbiter of Truth. When you dispense with Jesus Christ and His Word, it shows no regard for the Spirit of the Living God. The implications should be clear to you, as it is to others.

I guess it's a good thing I haven't dispensed with Jesus Christ or His word.

 

[VictorC]

Nothing snide about it. You asked where the IJ is found, and I told you it's in the sanctuary. Last I checked that's in the bible.

Do you think you can find the Investigative Judgment in Scripture, or are you going to waste another 20 posts demonstrating that it doesn't exist?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Do you think you can find the Investigative Judgment in Scripture, or are you going to waste another 20 posts demonstrating that it doesn't exist?

Sounds like a gnostic belief to me

 

[Stryder06]

Do you think you can find the Investigative Judgment in Scripture, or are you going to waste another 20 posts demonstrating that it doesn't exist?

I don't think, I know, and I told you. It's in the sanctuary. Now if your question is "Convince me that the IJ is true" than I'll refrain.

 

[VictorC]

I don't think, I know, and I told you. It's in the sanctuary. Now if your question is "Convince me that the IJ is true" than I'll refrain.

No answer.

 

[Stryder06]

No answer.

Sorry you see it that way

 

[VictorC]

Sorry you see it that way

No answer. There isn't even a book in the Bible entitled 'sanctuary' or 'that way'.
Thanks for playing.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That investigative judgement doctrine seems strange, but I guess one has to be a SDA to know what it is about ...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Incorrect. A prophet is called by God and does proclaim future events. This gives them credence as to Who their calling is from, but their main job is to call back a wayward people to repentence. In the case of the Cleansing of the sanctuary, no one was prophesying that.

That had already been done by Daniel. William Miller, as well as a few other individual who aren't as well known for beliving this, simply followed their understanding of said prophecy and taught others about it.

What a "great disappointment" he was ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Miller_(preacher)

Although Miller was convinced of his calculations by 1818, he continued to study privately until 1823 to ensure the correctness of his interpretation. In September 1822, Miller formally stated his conclusions in a twenty-point document, including article 15: "I believe that the second coming of Jesus Christ is near, even at the door, even within twenty-one years,--on or before 1843."[9] Miller did not, however, begin his public lecturing until the first Sunday in August 1831 in the town of Dresden.[10]

After the failure of Miller's expectations for October 22, 1844, the date became known as the Millerites' Great Disappointment.
Hiram Edson recorded that "Our fondest hopes and expectations were blasted, and such a spirit of weeping came over us as I never experienced before... We wept, and wept, till the day dawn."[15] Following the Great Disappointment most Millerites simply gave up their beliefs. Some did not and viewpoints and explanations proliferated.
Miller initially seems to have thought that Christ's Second Coming was still going to take place—that "the year of expectation was according to prophecy; but...that there might be an error in Bible chronology, which was of human origin, that could throw the date off somewhat and account for the discrepancy."[16]
Miller never gave up his belief in the Second Coming of Christ; he died on December 20, 1849, still convinced that the Second Coming was imminent.




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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by VictorC

Do you think you can find the Investigative Judgment in Scripture, or are you going to waste another 20 posts demonstrating that it doesn't exist?
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Originally Posted by Stryder06

I don't think, I know, and I told you. It's in the sanctuary. Now if your question is "Convince me that the IJ is true" than I'll refrain.
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The earthly OC Sanctuary being destroyed by the NC heavenly Sanctuary


Rev 15:8
And filled was the Sanctuary with smoke from the glory of GOD, and from His power,
and no one was able to enter into the Sanctuary till the seven plagues/stripes of the seven Messengers may be finished.
Rev 16:1
And I heard a great Voice out of the Sanctuary saying to the seven Messengers "Go away! and pour out! the vials of the wrath of GOD to the land"

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover...................

The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins;
and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.



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[Keachian]

No need to renounce truth.

The IJ is one* of the most convoluted and unsubstantiated doctrines I have come across, if we are to take BrightCandle's decision to apply Occam's Razor to theology seriously then we by necessity need to discard it.

* I have been on the internet, other contenders are all of John Maxwell's theology and Christian Identity

 

[Keachian]

There was no prophet at the time of the Great Disappointment. Just a group of people looking for the return of the Lord.

So Ellen Harmon (1827-1915) is no prophet?

 

[Keachian]

Incorrect. A prophet is called by God and does proclaim future events. This gives them credence as to Who their calling is from, but their main job is to call back a wayward people to repentence. In the case of the Cleansing of the sanctuary, no one was prophesying that. That had already been done by Daniel.

And said to have been completed in Hebrews