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sdowney717 said:
ALL scripture is God breathed and is profitable for rebuke, correction, training in righteousness.

God's ways are not ours, nor His thoughts ours. God does things we don't always like. We do need to be thankful to Him in all things and acknowledge God in all our ways.
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The problem with that, if true, is man has decided what is scripture and what is not, not God. God being beyond our understanding does not mean I am not able to understand that God expects me to love others.
 
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GenetoJean said:
I found this thread by looking at new posts. I will probably just bow out since I don't believe the Bible is 100% Gods Word.
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I agree and do not believe the Bible is inerrant and dictated by God. I do believe the Bible has more divine truth in it than any other source I have found in my seventy two years of looking.
 
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elman said:
I agree and do not believe the Bible is inerrant and dictated by God. I do believe the Bible has more divine truth in it than any other source I have found in my seventy two years of looking.
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You started looking at 1 years old?

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GenetoJean said:
Thank you I always appreciate someone praying for myself.
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The question is, how do you know that prayer is effective?

The Bible teaches that it is, but what if that part of the Bible is wrong? So you're in quite a dilemma. If you think prayer is effective only because you "feel" that it is, then you are simply relying on your subjective feelings and opinions, which cannot be trusted.

You need an objective, unchanging source of truth, right?
 
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Skala said:
The question is, how do you know that prayer is effective?

The Bible teaches that it is, but what if that part of the Bible is wrong? So you're in quite a dilemma. If you think prayer is effective only because you "feel" that it is, then you are simply relying on your subjective feelings and opinions, which cannot be trusted.

You need an objective, unchanging source of truth, right?
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The Bible does not teach that prayer for a brother sinning unto death is effective. You are wrong about that also.
 
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Skala said:
The question is, how do you know that prayer is effective?

The Bible teaches that it is, but what if that part of the Bible is wrong? So you're in quite a dilemma. If you think prayer is effective only because you "feel" that it is, then you are simply relying on your subjective feelings and opinions, which cannot be trusted.

You need an objective, unchanging source of truth, right?
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Just because it would be nice to have an instruction book on being Christian doesn't make the Bible 100% God inspired.
 
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elman said:
I agree and do not believe the Bible is inerrant and dictated by God. I do believe the Bible has more divine truth in it than any other source I have found in my seventy two years of looking.
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Brother Chris said:
It's unorthodox to say that the bible is not without error and it is not dictated by God. He has already being reported and quoted saying that the existence of God is not a fact.
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But unless I missed it, it isn't against the rules.
 
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GenetoJean said:
Just because it would be nice to have an instruction book on being Christian doesn't make the Bible 100% God inspired.
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So when it comes time to make decisions or determine your beliefs, what standard do you appeal to?
 
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Brother Chris said:
It's unorthodox to say that the bible is not without error and it is not dictated by God. He has already being reported and quoted saying that the existence of God is not a fact.
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It is not unorthodox among people who know the history of the Bible. I said the existence of God is not a proven fact and that we need faith because of that fact. Without faith it is impossible to please God for He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. It was reported by you that I did not agree Jesus was God when I was saying Jesus is divine and the Son of God. What I was discussing with you was weather Jesus is the same as God the Father. You reported a post that appeared to say Jesus is not God, but in the context of the other posts it was clear I was referring to Jesus not being God the Father and being God the Son. I have also clearly posted that I do not claim to know or understand the exact nature and details of the relationship between the Father and the Son.
 
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God is potentate, i.e., dynastēs = a prince, King, courtier, high officer, royal minister of great authority...

King of kings and Lord or lords...the ultimate authority...and we who love Him should strive to obey Him...

He has the power to administer the penalty for disobedience and will do so if we die in our sins.

I am sure we all agree at least on this.

The Lord be blessed

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Skala said:
So when it comes time to make decisions or determine your beliefs, what standard do you appeal to?
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The Bible while keeping in mind the fact that it was written and translated by man with man's preconceived ideas.
 
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