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So were all those leaders I mentioned justified in all the killings they approved of?
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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If I "felt" God requesting me to do something that contradicts his clearly revealed will in the scriptures I would assume that I was hallucinating or communicating with a demon.
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Do you think that a god who created billions of galaxies and trillions of stars could effectively communicate with you if he chose to?
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Yet the question was pretty clear. If you knew it to be God, would you obey and kill. I think many people here are missing the point.
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BelievingIsObeying said:
I don't know.
But if we look at the provisions contained within the adamic covenant we might find some clues.
I like you bro, keep up the faith
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intojoy said:
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. I still wonder, if someone was seen by two people intentionally killing another person, who is it that is to perform the execution? I've always said, we can see people's actions but can never know their intentions, thus making any judgement solely based on the action performed. I've always thought that judgement should be on a persons intention and not action, which is why I leave judgement up to the two who know a persons intention.
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Of course. I believe he has done exactly this is an objective way through his holy prophets and apostles.
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Diverse peoples may but there is usually common consensus in the church.
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A question reminiscent of Christopher Hitchens commentary when he said he'd tell a deity that asked him to gut one of his children to F off.
Of course I wouldn't murder someone if I heard a voice telling me to.
How could someone know that is God speaking and not a symptom of their acute organic mental illness?
Besides, God gave the 6th commandment so as to instruct his will is that we do not murder. So it would be impossible for God to ask us to willfully violate his own edict.
If God wants someone dead he can do it himself. He's God. If he needs an emissary in a willing gullible human to act and murder someone God's voice instructs as needing to be killed, that is obviously not God speaking.
We know this because no one has ever been acquitted in an American court claiming they're Christian or Jewish and they committed first degree premeditated murder because they were devout believers in following God's direction that they do so.
Of course I wouldn't murder someone if I heard a voice telling me to.
How could someone know that is God speaking and not a symptom of their acute organic mental illness?
Besides, God gave the 6th commandment so as to instruct his will is that we do not murder. So it would be impossible for God to ask us to willfully violate his own edict.
If God wants someone dead he can do it himself. He's God. If he needs an emissary in a willing gullible human to act and murder someone God's voice instructs as needing to be killed, that is obviously not God speaking.
We know this because no one has ever been acquitted in an American court claiming they're Christian or Jewish and they committed first degree premeditated murder because they were devout believers in following God's direction that they do so.
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You confuse diversity for division. There is no problem with a multitude of denominations. The whole church still confesses the Apostle's Creed which embodies the essentials of Christian doctrine. Anything not confessed in the creed is secondary and open to disagreement. This is not an issue at all.
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Of course there is division. Men cutting their hair, women wearing pants, rock-and-roll, speaking-in-tongues, what forms of baptism are legitimate, whether women can teach, whether drinking alcohol is ok. Not to mention OSAS, election, and forms of communion and the meaning thereof.
The Holy Ghost doesn't seem very consistent.
The Holy Ghost doesn't seem very consistent.
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What do you mean by "consistent"?
Should the Holy Spirit be "consistent"?
If so, why?
What is your reasoning behind this?
What does it mean for the Holy Spirit to be "consistent"?
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Why would the Holy Spirit teach OSAS to one group and not to another?
I should think that in matters of salvation, the HS should be very consistent. Unless, contrary to any Christian doctrine I've ever heard, some people are, e.g., saved by works and others are saved by grace.
I should think that in matters of salvation, the HS should be very consistent. Unless, contrary to any Christian doctrine I've ever heard, some people are, e.g., saved by works and others are saved by grace.
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I do not believe He has taught OSAS to one group and another to another.
Do you have any good reason(s) for supposing He has actually done this?
I agree.
No, it is by grace through faith in Christ.
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No, I don't. Many denominations have beliefs that contradict the beliefs of other denominations, which is division. They cannot coexist under the same leadership, which is why they split in the first place. There is diversity within most denominations.
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I know what I meant and I meant what I said.
Contradiction goes hand-in-hand with division and is reason why different denominations exist. Diversity implies that the differences do not cause problems for one another and can work together in harmony, such as the differences within a single parish or whole denomination.
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