The truth behind Planned Parenthood

[wintermile]

Well that settles that.

Yep. So it does.

I am more occupied reading Sanger's The Pivot of Civilization than checking to see if PP provides health information on tubal ligation and vasectomies rather than offering the services.

 

[RedDead1981]

Yep. So it does.

I am more occupied reading Sanger's The Pivot of Civilization than checking to see if PP provides health information on tubal ligation and vasectomies rather than offering the services.

Yet not so occupied with it to make claims without checking to make sure they're true.

 

[Forest Wolf]

The individuals I am referring to are concerned about PP's discriminatory practices (that have been documented). You are referring to individuals that flip flop when it suits their interests.

Are you claiming PP offers tubial ligation procedures and vasectomies?

Planned Parenthood Locations and Health Centers​

Neither are listed as options.

Someone has already pointed out that your own link answers your question. Yes, PP does assist in those procedures.

As was evidenced in the links I provided in my prior post and for both women and men. Did you click those links so that you could read that?

 

[tulc]

Yep. So it does.

I am more occupied reading Sanger's The Pivot of Civilization than checking to see if PP provides health information on tubal ligation and vasectomies rather than offering the services.

...I think the response you're looking for is: "Oops, sorry, guess I should have checked before I posted!"
tulc(in case you were wondering)

 

[JoyJuice]

Yep. So it does.

I am more occupied reading Sanger's The Pivot of Civilization than checking to see if PP provides health information on tubal ligation and vasectomies rather than offering the services.

Take your time, but a Project Gutenberg word search for that quote in that book takes less than 30 seconds.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Margaret Sanger was an early 20th century progressive.

 

[wintermile]

Take your time, but a Project Gutenberg word search for that quote in that book takes less than 30 seconds.

I realize that. The phrase is not in the text; however, Sanger's racial, eugenic influence is in the text. She calls it the spirit of Birth Control. Sanger was racist against the poor and those she deems intellectually inferior.

The lack of balance between the birth-rate of the "unfit" and the "fit," admittedly the greatest present menace to the civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. The example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken, should not be held up for emulation to the mentally and physically fit, and therefore less fertile, parents of the educated and well-to-do classes. On the contrary, the most urgent problem to-day is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective. Possibly drastic and Spartan methods may be forced upon American society if it continues complacently to encourage the chance and chaotic breeding that has resulted from our stupid, cruel sentimentalism.

Sanger propped her Birth Control (Eugencic) message onto the backs of poor mothers who either lost their children early on or who struggled to maintain home and work raising large families.

Sanger was influenced by eugenicists. Her ideas about human emancipation are cold.

I am continuing to read Sanger's work.

 

[USincognito]

What I do not understand is why there are numerous citations referring to this work as the source of the same quote.

Because people lie (and others spread those lies) in the Internet all the time as long as it fits their agenda.

How many times in the past year on this forum have we seen threads started making some assertion based on an editorial or blog entry and when checked are repeated by numerous other sites, but when the original source is checked, the claim is proven to be false?

 

[USincognito]

I realize that. The phrase is not in the text; however, Sanger's racial, eugenic influence is in the text. She calls it the spirit of Birth Control. Sanger was racist against the poor and those she deems intellectually inferior.

I didn't realize that the poor and intellectually inferior were races?

 

[wintermile]

I didn't realize that the poor and intellectually inferior were races?

I used the wrong word. I should have used racist.

I acknowledge there are different forms of racism from what I have learned. Intellectual racism, gender racism, AI racism, racism target at the poor or wealthy.

It does bother me that many individuals have misquoted portions of Sanger's work. To do so is deceptive.

Sanger was clear about utilizing free speech rights. She spoke freely regarding her racist, eugenic ideas.

 

[RedDead1981]

Not really, racism is a pretty specific thing. Specific to race.

 

[USincognito]

I used the wrong word. I should have used racist.

You did. The form changes when one goes from using an adjective to using a noun, hence "racist" becomes "races".

I acknowledge there are different forms of racism from what I have learned. Intellectual racism, gender racism, AI racism, racism target at the poor or wealthy.

You're probably one of very few people to acknowledge such. Racism has a pretty tight definition. Perhaps you're looking for "bigotry"?

It does bother me that many individuals have misquoted portions of Sanger's work. To do so is deceptive.

Good. That's a sentiment I wish I saw more often on the Internet.

 

[wintermile]

You did. The form changes when one goes from using an adjective to using a noun, hence "racist" becomes "races".



You're probably one of very few people to acknowledge such. Racism has a pretty tight definition. Perhaps you're looking for "bigotry"?



Good. That's a sentiment I wish I saw more often on the Internet.

Yes, racism has a tight definition. "The new racism" does too.

Cultural Racism - Racial, Literature, “cultural, and Nations - JRank Articles

The new racism (neoracism) directed at the poor is discussed in the linked article.

New Form of Racism Emerging

 

[morningstar2651]

There isn't gender racism - there is sexism.

Calling every discriminatory practice "racism" dilutes the meaning of the word. Racism is exclusive to race. Sexism is exclusive to sex.

 

[JoyJuice]

I realize that. The phrase is not in the text; however, Sanger's racial, eugenic influence is in the text. She calls it the spirit of Birth Control. Sanger was racist against the poor and those she deems intellectually inferior.




Sanger propped her Birth Control (Eugencic) message onto the backs of poor mothers who either lost their children early on or who struggled to maintain home and work raising large families.

Sanger was influenced by eugenicists. Her ideas about human emancipation are cold.

I am continuing to read Sanger's work.

Great, so as it was pointed out before the quote from the fine Reverend is absolutely made up, as a lot of them are. And they are purposely made up, by Christians no less, to make inferences of Sanger doing to Blacks what Hitler did to Jews. Go figure that one out. BTW, you may want to review what racism means for the poor is not a race. Moreover I think one of the things that drove Sanger was the inability for those poor who were having children in that depression era, who were not able in the position to care for them.

 

[morningstar2651]

The correct term would be classist. And let's be honest - it's Republicans that hate the poor. Racism isn't a pre-requisite of joining the party, but classism is a pre-requisite of both political parties.

The Democrats tout themselves the defender of the lower-class. The Republicans tout themselves the champion of the upper-class...and the two parties wage a war over the middle-class.

 

[RedDead1981]

I don't think any of these political parties really hates anyone. They just want power and they seek it out from the groups that they can get it from. Doesn't mean they hate the others.

 

[Belk]

Margaret Sanger And Planned Parenthood


Margaret Sanger And The Negro Project


Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

Since it is entirely voluntary I fail to see why this is an issue.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Well then we have situations like:

New Mexico: Planned Parenthood Racism Investigation - YouTube

 

[wintermile]

The correct term would be classist. And let's be honest - it's Republicans that hate the poor. Racism isn't a pre-requisite of joining the party, but classism is a pre-requisite of both political parties.

The Democrats tout themselves the defender of the lower-class. The Republicans tout themselves the champion of the upper-class...and the two parties wage a war over the middle-class.

Classist it is then.

No party may boast about correcting classism. This article is one reminder why.

New Form of Racism Emerging

About 5 years ago I read a scholarly paper that claimed there is one race: Homo sapians. I realize the majority of CF members are set in their ways. I am not sure why that fact would lead them to dismiss the one race claim. That question is for another thread.

I explore the one race claim. This book and project RACE Are We So Different? is the work of the American Anthropological Association. Claiming race is about culture and not biology, the material appeals to me.

RACE: A Public Education Project

For me it would be great if the majority of my time was spent in quiet places where facts from history unfold. And currently, I would not mind learning about how other organizations were contributing to the relief of the working poor, or were pursuaded otherwise, during Sanger's time.

Sanger is not a paragon example in my book.