Why do atheists get married?

[Eudaimonist]

The question is why would an atheist marry in church if he or she hates God

What are you talking about?

I don't hate God any more than I hate Thor. I don't believe that such beings exist.

and does not want to be subject to the sacred bond between God, man, woman, and not if your marriage was a marriage or not.

What does it matter what the Church thinks about marriage? To the atheist, marriage is between two people, not some polyamorous affair involving a third partner.

However, on a personal note, having state control of any marriage is scary, be it performed inside or outside the church.

State control? What do you mean? I do not perceive state marriages as any more scary than church marriages.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[lupusFati]

I was going to argue the point that atheists don't hate God since they don't even believe he exists, but Euda pretty much made all the points I was going to argue for.

 

[lordistrength]

A thing? I'm not sure what you are asking.


eudaimonia,

Mark

"Marriage" doesnt make sense to me.

 

[Cachook]

What are you talking about?

I don't hate God any more than I hate Thor. I don't believe that such beings exist.

Bible is clear on those who believe not, and those which enter into sin, but that not being the topic, we shall delve not.

What does it matter what the Church thinks about marriage? To the atheist, marriage is between two people, not some polyamorous affair involving a third partner.

Ain't about the church; it's about the atheist.

State control? What do you mean? I do not perceive state marriages as any more scary than church marriages.


eudaimonia,

Mark

As far as state control on marriages, living it Sweden it might be worse (dad lived there for a time......), but back in the States, you must ask big daddy government if you may marry in the church, which is a total infringement of the state on the separation of church and state; the state is playing god at that point.

However, so as not to derail this thread farther, let's keep it at that or in PMs.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Ain't about the church; it's about the atheist.

Yes, and the typical atheist doesn't care what the church thinks about marriage, since marriage is effectively a secular institution, regardless of what additional meanings religious people may place on it.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[lordistrength]

Yes, and the typical atheist doesn't care what the church thinks about marriage, since marriage is effectively a secular institution, regardless of what additional meanings religious people may place on it.


eudaimonia,

Mark

How is it considered a "secular" thing, when it doesn't even make sense?

 

[Cachook]

How is it considered a "secular" thing, when it doesn't even make sense?

That seems to be what one might deem an opinion, and one with no evidence to support the claim. It seems to fit in line with evolutionist teachings, which the bulk of atheists believe.

 

[Eudaimonist]

"Marriage" doesnt make sense to me.

Why not? Do you think people shouldn't be regarded as having property in common? Or do you think they shouldn't commit to life-long relationships? Or do you think they should have more than one partner at a time? Or what?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

How is it considered a "secular" thing, when it doesn't even make sense?

How is Christmas a secular holiday? Because it is (ideally) about a family putting up a tree and lights, giving and receiving gifts, cherishing any children, having a meal together in good cheer, and generally spending quality time together.

How is marriage a secular institution? Here is one example of a secular wedding vow:

I (name), take you (name) to be my (husband/wife), my partner in life and my one true love. I will cherish our union and love you more each day than I did the day before. I will trust you and respect you, laugh with you and cry with you, loving you faithfully through good times and bad, regardless of the obstacles we may face together. I give you my hand, my heart, and my love, from this day forward for as long as we both shall live.

This is the spirit of marriage for the secular person. It is a declaration to relatives, community, and each other of one's commitment. This is combined with certain legal implications regarding property, taxes, and so forth.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Cachook]

How is Christmas a secular holiday? That is the commercial one; you have it mixed up. Because it is (ideally) about a family putting up a tree and lights, giving and receiving gifts, cherishing any children, having a meal together in good cheer, and generally spending quality time together.

How is marriage a secular institution? Here is one example of a secular wedding vow:

I (name), take you (name) to be my (husband/wife), my partner in life and my one true love. I will cherish our union and love you more each day than I did the day before. I will trust you and respect you, laugh with you and cry with you, loving you faithfully through good times and bad, regardless of the obstacles we may face together. I give you my hand, my heart, and my love, from this day forward for as long as we both shall live.

This is the spirit of marriage for the secular person. It is a declaration to relatives, community, and each other of one's commitment. This is combined with certain legal implications regarding property, taxes, and so forth. That is an opinion..... You have no facts to support it.


eudaimonia,

Mark

You are diverting from the question again........

 

[lordistrength]

That seems to be what one might deem an opinion, and one with no evidence to support the claim. It seems to fit in line with evolutionist teachings, which the bulk of atheists believe.

Where do I fit in? I truely believe in God and marriage doesn't make sense to me on this earth.

 

[Eudaimonist]

That is an opinion..... You have no facts to support it

What more facts do I need to support this?

I can attest based on my personal experience with marriage, and on my knowledge of conversing with atheists and others about marriage. I have copied and pasted a typical secular wedding vow, and you may Google for many more. And what I say about marriage in law is common knowledge.

I'm puzzled that you would be doubtful of my claim.

You are diverting from the question again........

Not intentionally, I assure you. I'm trying to target in on the questions like a laser.

What is the question you want answered again?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[lordistrength]

Why not? Do you think people shouldn't be regarded as having property in common? Or do you think they shouldn't commit to life-long relationships? Or do you think they should have more than one partner at a time? Or what?


eudaimonia,

Mark

I think between two people, they understand already that they belong to one another. Who needs to recognize this to make it so? Who attempts to pull them away from it? I truely don't understand. I think it is enough to find the love of your youth and remain true with them.

 

[quatona]

The question remains, atheists. Why would you marry in a church if you dislike God and don't believe marriage is a sacred institution?

Well, I personally wouldn´t. I have in previous posts given possible reason why an atheist would. These posts were not dignified by a response. Go figure.

 

[lordistrength]

How is Christmas a secular holiday? Because it is (ideally) about a family putting up a tree and lights, giving and receiving gifts, cherishing any children, having a meal together in good cheer, and generally spending quality time together.

How is marriage a secular institution? Here is one example of a secular wedding vow:

I (name), take you (name) to be my (husband/wife), my partner in life and my one true love. I will cherish our union and love you more each day than I did the day before. I will trust you and respect you, laugh with you and cry with you, loving you faithfully through good times and bad, regardless of the obstacles we may face together. I give you my hand, my heart, and my love, from this day forward for as long as we both shall live.

This is the spirit of marriage for the secular person. It is a declaration to relatives, community, and each other of one's commitment. This is combined with certain legal implications regarding property, taxes, and so forth.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Property, taxes, and so forth? Lol.

How did money become involved? Haha.

Who does one need to prove to, to be in love with another? A promise is enough? A promise is a dime a dozen in a secular world. Isn't it enough to be commited to another inwardly instead of verbally, and on a stage?

 

[Eudaimonist]

I think between two people, they understand already that they belong to one another. Who needs to recognize this to make it so? Who attempts to pull them away from it? I truely don't understand. I think it is enough to find the love of your youth and remain true with them.

The relatives, friends, community, and legal system have an interest in recognizing this. Marriage is in part about social recognition of the marriage relationship. One may speculate about the origins of this need. It could have to do with having clear heirs to family estate, but I'm not so cynical as to think that is the only reason for marriage today.

Property, taxes, and so forth? Lol.

How did money become involved? Haha.

Simple. It used to be the case that wives were financially dependent on their husbands. Also, the State is sometimes used to encourage marriage, typically with some conservative justification about providing stability to society.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Cachook]

Where do I fit in? I truely believe in God and marriage doesn't make sense to me on this earth.

PM me so as not to clutter the thread.

 

[Cachook]

Well, I personally wouldn´t. I have in previous posts given possible reason why an atheist would. These posts were not dignified by a response. Go figure.

The sheer volume of these derailing posts on this thread means some responses will go unnoticed. Sorry brother. It was a good thread......

 

[lordistrength]

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[Cachook]

What more facts do I need to support this?

I can attest based on my personal experience with marriage, and on my knowledge of conversing with atheists and others about marriage. I have copied and pasted a typical secular wedding vow, and you may Google for many more. And what I say about marriage in law is common knowledge.

I'm puzzled that you would be doubtful of my claim.



Not intentionally, I assure you. I'm trying to target in on the questions like a laser.

What is the question you want answered again?
It was a general question to atheists, in an attempt to stir this madness back on course.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Friend, personal experience does not make for a qualifying factor as to what marriage is. It isn't defined as a secular institution first. Marriage is defined here as "civil and religious", but that doesn't mean it is secular in nature or origin. One must look deeper to understand.