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5 Questions Evolutionists Can't Answer

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Can you prove you only have one life?

If you've ever seen a human decompose after they've died, you wouldn't ask such a silly question. Based on this alone, there is no good reason to suggest there is any "life" beyond this one. Whatever was "you" before you were born, ends up the same place after "you" die.
 
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The notion that the universe came form nothing is an old Straw Man based on linguistic confusion:
Thus ... general relativity makes the striking prediction that at a time 1/H ago, the universe was in a singular state: The distance between all "points of space" was zero; the density of matter and the curvature of spacetime was infinite. This singular state of the universe is referred to as the big bang.

Note that the nature of this singularity is that resulting from an homogenoeous contraction of spacetime down to "zero size". The big bang does not represent an contraction of space down to "zero size". The big bang does not represent an explosion of matter concentrated at a point of preexisting, nonsingular spacetime, as it is sometime depicted and its name suggest. Since spacetime structure itself is singular in the big bang, it does not make sense, either physically or mathematically, to ask the about the state "before" the big bang; there is no natural way to extend the spacetime manifold and metric beyond the big bang singularity. Thus, general relativity lead to the viewpoint that the universe began at the big bang.

-- Robert M. Wald, General Relativity, page 99.

9.1 What Is a Singularity?

Intuitively, a spacetime singularity is a "place" where the curvature "blows up" or other "pathological behavior" of the metric takes place. The difficulty in making this notion into a satisfactory, precis definition of a singularity steams from the above terms placed in quotes.

By far most serious (and, perhaps, insurmountable) difficulty arises from trying to give meaning to the idea of singularity as a "place". In all physical theories except the general relativity, the manifold and metric structure of spacetime is assumed in advance; we know the "where and when" of all spacetime events. If a physical quantity is infinite or otherwise undefined at a point in spacetime, we have no difficulties in saying that there is a singularity at that point. ... However, the situation in general relativity is completely different. Here we are trying to solve for the manifold and metric structure of spacetime itself. Since the notion of an event make physical sense only when the manifold and metric structure are defined around it, the most natural approach in general relativity is to say (as we have been doing) that a spacetime consist of a manifold M and metric g defined everywhere on M. Thus, the "big bang" singularity of the Robert-Walker solution is not considered to be part of the spacetime manifold; it is not a "place" or a "time."

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Of course, our failure to describe a singularity as a "place" in precise mathematical terms does not in any way lessen the obvious fact that singularities exist in, say, the Robert-Walker and Schwarzschild spacetimes. It simply means that we must find other ways of characterizing a singularity.

-- Robert M. Wald, General Relativity, page 212-214.
In other words, general relativity does not claim the universe came from nothing.... nor does it claim there was something "before" the big bang. The viewpoint can equally correct be that the universe always has existed and there was no point of creation, just a change of state of the singularity at which some "time" we says, as a figure of speech, the universe "began" to exists, but it has, as a figure of speech, "always" existed; the singularity had an, as a figure of speech, "eternal" existence, there was no, as a figure of speech, "before", there was, as a figure of speech, no creation of anything and there was no creation event; or in other words, as a figure of speech, the universe was predestine to be created...

It is a confusion with our language; we cannot express in our language properly what happen and "when" it happen. Point 1 relay on a linguistic confusion when it come to describing what is meant with "when" and "where".

Therefore point #1 is a Straw Man based on linguistic confusion.

That said, quantum mechanic has showed that stuff can be created from nothing...it happens all the time. The universe does not care whether or not we can grasp, understand, like or think it can do something or what rules we applies to it - it does it anyway.

For the rest, it is only the same old god of the gaps argument mixed with drivel; for instance computer are made of atoms and atoms are not Internet, so how could computer possible do what they do? They must be made of something more... like an Internet soul...
 
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It's the reason he gives so he can rationalize 1,044.22 posts per day on CF.

I wasn't aware I had to.

Unless, of course, this is an inquisition.

And at 3.6 posts per day, how do you rationalize spending an above-average amount conversing with someone you think clamors for attention?
 
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how do you rationalize ... clamors for attention?

It is nice to get attention, don't you think? Like your god wants my attention as well. However, the difference between your god and me is that I do not get mad and threaten to torture you if you do not give me some attention...
 
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HitchSlap said:
If you've ever seen a human decompose after they've died, you wouldn't ask such a silly question. Based on this alone, there is no good reason to suggest there is any "life" beyond this one. Whatever was "you" before you were born, ends up the same place after "you" die.

But the pyramids are such a ancient marvel and yet the Pharaohs that had them built believed in a after life. Why would you assume man back then believed in a after life? The precision that went into align the pyramids; you would think they knew something; would you not?
 
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It is nice to get attention, don't you think?
No.
Like your god wants my attention as well. However, the difference between your god and me is that I do not get mad and threaten to torture you if you do not give me some attention...
Does He cry for you? if so, why?
 
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Quite impressive post count. AV cannot be accused for not replying I guess. :)

HitchSlap and I went through this once already, starting here:
Considering the amount of time you spend on CF, and one could make a case that your life indeed revolves around your time spent here.
I'm not sure why he is repeating it again -- unless maybe it's for the attention.
 
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I'm not sure why he is repeating it again -- unless maybe it's for the attention.

I have no comment or opinion on that, all I say is that you do reply to others unless that post count, for most part, has been an attempt to talk with yourself.... (which I actually sometime get the impression is the case from some replies you give back to me... This is not meant as an insult, but an honest feeling I have about the way you reply).
 
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Then how do you rationalize your post count?
I don't.

This country protects us from pogroms -- in any form -- scientific or otherwise.

In short, I don't have to justify myself.
I dunno, I did not made his character up. Your Christian friends did, so ask them instead of me, please...
Better yet, I'll take your post with a grain of sand.
 
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In situ said:
The notion that the universe came form nothing is an old Straw Man based on linguistic confusion:

Thus ... general relativity makes the striking prediction that at a time 1/H ago, the universe was in a singular state: The distance between all "points of space" was zero; the density of matter and the curvature of spacetime was infinite. This singular state of the universe is referred to as the big bang.

Note that the nature of this singularity is that resulting from an homogenoeous contraction of spacetime down to "zero size". The big bang does not represent an contraction of space down to "zero size". The big bang does not represent an explosion of matter concentrated at a point of preexisting, nonsingular spacetime, as it is sometime depicted and its name suggest. Since spacetime structure itself is singular in the big bang, it does not make sense, either physically or mathematically, to ask the about the state "before" the big bang; there is no natural way to extend the spacetime manifold and metric beyond the big bang singularity. Thus, general relativity lead to the viewpoint that the universe began at the big bang.

-- Robert M. Wald, General Relativity, page 99.

9.1 What Is a Singularity?

Intuitively, a spacetime singularity is a "place" where the curvature "blows up" or other "pathological behavior" of the metric takes place. The difficulty in making this notion into a satisfactory, precis definition of a singularity steams from the above terms placed in quotes.

By far most serious (and, perhaps, insurmountable) difficulty arises from trying to give meaning to the idea of singularity as a "place". In all physical theories except the general relativity, the manifold and metric structure of spacetime is assumed in advance; we know the "where and when" of all spacetime events. If a physical quantity is infinite or otherwise undefined at a point in spacetime, we have no difficulties in saying that there is a singularity at that point. ... However, the situation in general relativity is completely different. Here we are trying to solve for the manifold and metric structure of spacetime itself. Since the notion of an event make physical sense only when the manifold and metric structure are defined around it, the most natural approach in general relativity is to say (as we have been doing) that a spacetime consist of a manifold M and metric g defined everywhere on M. Thus, the "big bang" singularity of the Robert-Walker solution is not considered to be part of the spacetime manifold; it is not a "place" or a "time."

...

Of course, our failure to describe a singularity as a "place" in precise mathematical terms does not in any way lessen the obvious fact that singularities exist in, say, the Robert-Walker and Schwarzschild spacetimes. It simply means that we must find other ways of characterizing a singularity.

-- Robert M. Wald, General Relativity, page 212-214.
In other words, general relativity does not claim the universe came from nothing.... nor does it claim there was something "before" the big bang. The viewpoint can equally correct be that the universe always has existed and there was no point of creation, just a change of state of the singularity at which some "time" we says, as a figure of speech, the universe "began" to exists, but it has, as figure of speech, "always" existed; the singularity had an, as figure of speech, "eternal" existence, there was no, as figure of speech, "before", there was, as figure of speech, no creation of anything and there was no creation event; or in other words, as figure of speech, the universe has predestine to be created...

It is a confusion with our language; we cannot express in our language properly what happen and "when" it happen. Point 1 relay on a linguistic confusion when it come to describing what is meant with "when" and "where".

Therefore point #1 is a Straw Man based on linguistic confusion.

That said, quantum mechanic has showed that stuff can be created from nothing...it happens all the time. The universe does not care whether or not we can grasp, understand, like or think it can do something or what rules we applies to it - it does it anyway.

For the rest, it is only the same old god of the gaps argument mixed with drivel; for instance computer are made of atoms and atoms are not Internet, so how could computer possible do what they do? They must be made of something more... like an Internet soul...

All that was said using finite terminology is: there is required something that is infinite. The argument is flawed the second you refer to space as being as it is now. Space or the distance between anything that is infinite could not be contained as it would require a measurement.

All atoms and molecules can be measured, and the distance required for elements/matter to mix requires a measured amount of space. Even the process to clone today requires a measurement that can not be done on a whim.

How do you explain physical space by your reasoning of why any explanation of nothing came from nothing is a Straw Man Fallacy? When you require something that is said to be infinite but is measurable?
 
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In situ said:
It is nice to get attention, don't you think? Like your god wants my attention as well. However, the difference between your god and me is that I do not get mad and threaten to torture you if you do not give me some attention...

That's amazing that you can explain away a infinite God requiring your attention, but you assume evolution to be true; but without any attention to detail required from start to finish. Your funny.
 
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All that was said using finite terminology is there is required something that is infinite. The argument is flawed the second you refer to space as being as it is now.

I don't understand what you are talking about. What was flawed you said and what do I require to be infinite?

Space or the distance between anything that is infinite could not be contained as it would require a measurement.

Obviously it cannot. However, nobody claims such things, so where did you get this idea from?


I mean, how do you imagine a distance to be infinite in a singularity when in fact, all distances are zero in singularity - which is part of the definition, in the first place, of a singularity in a manifold? The curvature must, as a necessary, be infinite in a singularity, so what is your problem with this kind of infinity?

And whoever claimed such things as infinite distance even exists?

In any case, as you might realize, I don't understand what it is you trying to say, because it does not make much sense to me, so can you please clarify?

All atoms and molecules can be measured, and the distance required for elements/matter to mix requires a measured amount of space. Even the process to clone today requires a measurement that can not be one on a whim.

Only fermiones require space (Pauli's exclusion principles holds true for them) but why do you assume a fermionic gas existed at the begging of time?

For instance an infinite number of bosons can occupy the same point, i.e. a singularity.... An example of such boson gas is photons in an electromagnetic field - such as light, radio waves, x-rays, gamma-rays etc.

Do you think your room gets tighter in some way when you switch on the light? How much light do you think it is possible to fill a room with?

How do you explain physical space by your reasoning of why any explanation of nothing came from nothing is a Straw Man Fallacy?

I do no understand what it is you are trying to ask or claim here, but the "something from nothing" argument is a Straw Man. Because, according to the theory of general theory there was no such thing as "something came from nothing", there has always been something. According to the theory of general relativity, a singularity is not nothing, it is something existing as a singularity. Which was exactly what was said in the quote and statement I made in my original post...

For clarity I quote Robert M. Wald again:
our failure to describe a singularity as a "place" in precise mathematical terms does not in any way lessen the obvious fact that singularities exist
That said observation and Quantum Mechanics tells use things can be created from nothing and that effects does not need to have a cause.

Like I said, the universe does not care what we think is is possible and what we believe it can do...

When you require something that is said to be infinite but is measurable?

I don't understand you. Is this a question or statement? If it was a question, what is it I require to be infinite and to be measurable?
 
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That's amazing that you can explain away a infinite God requiring your attention, but you assume evolution to be true; but without any attention to detail required from start to finish. Your funny.

Why would an infinite god require attention?
 
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That's amazing that you can explain away a infinite God requiring your attention,

Why do you make up things? Never have I said this was a reason to reject the existence of the Christian god, on the contrary it was an accusation of the Christian God - implying God exists. Therefore, you are just making stuff up now....

Right now you are walking a very fine line between imagined things and telling lies about what and what not I said or claimed...

but you assume evolution to be true; but without any attention to detail required from start to finish.

What does this has to do with anything about what I wrote more than sharing the word 'attention' and being a Red Herring? Furthermore, your comment does not make much sense to me as you seams pick together word in random fashion in order to create sentences just to fit your own assumed beliefs about me and my beliefs..

There is a name for such behavior; projection.

Your funny.

Perhaps, but I do not make up stuff about other people....
 
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