People who eat a vegetarian diet live longer than those who eat meat.

[GladiatorforGod]

I am not hiding behind anything. I am non-denominational

OK. But, you must have some type of doctrinal beliefs.

 

[Rev Randy]

If he was a levite he and Jesus both would probably have been temple priests and we don't see any record of such from either Jesus or Joseph.

But he was not a Levite. He was of judah.

 

[Rev Randy]

OK. But, you must have some type of doctrinal beliefs.

One would hope.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Let's all agree.

To the doctrine of tasty bacon!

Bacon tastes yummy!

Oh yes, and we can also all agree to the teaching of the apostolic faith as expressed in the Nicene creed.

 

[Rev Randy]

Let's all agree.

To the doctrine of tasty bacon!

Bacon tastes yummy!

Oh yes, and we can also all agree to the teaching of the apostolic faith as expressed in the Nicene creed.

Yes Bacon and the original

 

[Lollerskates]

That is probably best, at least for now, until Jesus returns in the future to set every Christian Denomination straight on this matter

This is exactly why I am non-denominational. Spot on. I am not blasting any other denomination. Like I said, what I believe may touch on many denominations. But, I do think the fact there are so many of them point to some kinds of disunity that only Christ can straighten out. But that is just life in my opinion. I am not a "follower" of anything 100% - including scientific theory, medicine, philosophy, etc. All of them have pertinence.

 

[Lollerskates]

I think we are somewhat close to agreement.

Some things are fulfilled.

Moral principles certainly endure. But while you speak about not a jot passing from the law, you also acknowledge a number of things that particularly applied to the nation of Israel or the sacrificial system do not apply to all any longer.

Now the debate is just on the details of which do not apply.

I would say the Acts council certainly included circumcision in that. And they indicated that it was the will of the Holy Spirit.

I agree. In essence, circumcision comes down to me, in terms that it won't justify me spiritually. But, should I do it as a thing of obedience, like following one, part or all 10 commandments? So, while it is trivial on the whole, it is certainly important.

It does come down to details, and they do touch on circumcision in Acts - that causes plenty of argument between people too.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Tonight's dinner is

carrots,
onions,
cauliflower,
beef,
green beans,
chilli,
mushrooms,
cream,
paprika,
chicken stock as a stew ​

delicious!

And not vegetarian

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I agree. In essence, circumcision comes down to me, in terms that it won't justify me spiritually. But, should I do it as a thing of obedience, like following one, part or all 10 commandments? So, while it is trivial on the whole, it is certainly important.

It does come down to details, and they do touch on circumcision in Acts - that causes plenty of argument between people too.

Circumcision is a sign -a living oracle- given only to Abraham and descendants -but the Islamists have broken it because they do not do it as a rehearsal of the sign as God gave it to Abraham, on the 8th day, so theirs is invalid as an oracle.
The Jews are under the oath of the Covenant and do rehearse the sign and shall rehearse the sign until it is totally fulfilled in the 8th day of creation -the 8th millennial day, which is the "Great Day", the "New Beginning".
When circumcision of the flesh is totally fulfilled in the 8th day, the seed of Adam will no longer multiply from the loins of the male because the seed will all have been born that were to multiply from the loins of Adam, and the "City of God will be built up, completed, finished" with the "Stones/seed" all in place to be the "New Man temple for the Glory of God to indwell", which is why Adam was
"made male and female
and one spirit
one flesh
one bone
one blood"
so as to multiply the seed as sons of God for building that temple.

Gentiles were never given that sign and every male Jew is born under the oath their fathers took at Sinai and under the command God gave to Abraham before that...

Adam will not multiply in the 8th day by the seed -it will all be done forever, and the New Man name [Israel is that name] only, will forever be the "Temple not made with hands" for the Glory to indwell -which is also called "Zion above".

 

[ptomwebster]

But he was not a Levite. He was of judah.

Randy,
Was Mary the mother of Christ?
How was Christ a member of the Tribe of Judah?

 

[Rev Randy]

Randy,
Was Mary the mother of Christ?
How was Christ a member of the Tribe of Judah?

The same exact way that the children of Joseph became the children of Jacob and the same way the younger became the firstborn.( gen.15;3,16;2 and 30:3)
God entrusted Joseph to be the Christ child's father on earth. Along with that came a birthright and a father's blessing.
The tribe is decided by the father. The mother's tribe is decided by marriage.
Yes and without a doubt mary was the Mother of Christ. Being married to Joseph she was of the tribe of Judah. It doesn't matter what tribe her father was from after marriage.
Besides that, look at both lineages while one has two fellows named Levi neither are the sons of Jacob which is where the tribes began. But both show Judah (the son of Jacob.) Both genealogies show what tribe he was of. There no need to speculate it is written down. Find Jacob in both and see who he begat. Judah.

 

[ptomwebster]

The same exact way that the children of Joseph became the children of Jacob and the same way the younger became the firstborn.( gen.15;3,16;2 and 30:3)
God entrusted Joseph to be the Christ child's father on earth. Along with that came a birthright and a father's blessing.
The tribe is decided by the father. The mother's tribe is decided by marriage.
Yes and without a doubt mary was the Mother of Christ. Being married to Joseph she was of the tribe of Judah. It doesn't matter what tribe her father was from after marriage.
Besides that, look at both lineages while one has two fellows named Levi neither are the sons of Jacob which is where the tribes began. But both show Judah (the son of Jacob.) Both genealogies show what tribe he was of. There no need to speculate it is written down. Find Jacob in both and see who he begat. Judah.

You error on so many points here .... Whatever. You teach what you want.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Randy,
Was Mary the mother of Christ?
How was Christ a member of the Tribe of Judah?

Actually, Christ the Living Spirit, and who is The Son of Man in heaven, has no father, no mother, no beginning of days nor end of life; Hebrews 7:3 -and that is why the Holy Spirit left out the genealogy of Shem as Melche -Zedek in the Genesis account, so to "morph"/make like" the genealogy of the Christ come in flesh as the Son of God

But the two genealogies the Christ in flesh has reverse adopted Himself into are one by nature and one by the Law of a barren widow. Because Jacob was from the cursed line of the kings "written as childless for a king on the throne", then Jacob begat A son [Joseph] for Heli by marrying Heli's barren widow and raising up seed "for Heli's inheritance to not be lost". That is the law of the firstborn son of the kinsman who marries a barren widow.


The two genealogies of Matthew and Luke are both Joseph's genealogy: one by nature and one by the Law of a kinsman marrying the barren widow to raise up seed to the dead brother.
Heli descended from Nathan, and his son by law who will inherit the throne of David is Joseph, who by law passed that inheritance to the Christ come in flesh.
Levi has nothing to do with Jesus' inheritance as "Firstborn and High Priest" except that it was kept by the Aaronic priesthood from the time of Aaron's baptism by Moses [the last anointed "firstborn" who had the blessing of high king and priest which Abraham received from Shem -Melchi Zedek- and Shem received it from Noah, who received it from Methuselah, who received it from Enoch, and so on and so forth, back to Adam: but Aaron's line had only the priestly side of it as "firstborn" son of God, and Judah's line had only the kingly line of it>

John the Baptist, serving before God, Himself, spiritually, in the office of the true anointed high priest of God [the priesthood being stolen and sold politically did not change God's line of descent], transferred the office of "Firstborn" of earth and "High Priest of God" back, which is the "Baptism of Righteousness" administered to Jesus the Christ in His human flesh, by John.

Then the Holy Spirit descended upon the LORD as He came up out of the waters of the "Baptism unto Righteousness" Anointing , Him into the office of High Priest of earth [the Anointing oil was the "Oil of Messiah, in the Law]-not according to the Levitical priesthood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3bsAMyRwbw

 

[Rev Randy]

You error on so many points here .... Whatever. You teach what you want.

It's far too easy to just say I'm in error. Now if you're a brother, you'd show how I'm in error not just make a statement. Please show me where i read Christ's genealogies wrong. Please show me that Christ is not the Lion of Judah prophesied about. If you show me and I'm wrong I'll admit it and thank you many times.
Now I don't know if yeshuasavedme is correct or not concerning his point of both genealogies being Josephs but it sure seems possible as I've never heard of a biblical or hebrew bloodline following the mother's born genealogy. I do know it was Hebrew custom for a wife to take her husbands name and tribe after marriage.
So please show me the Levite bloodline. I'm willing to learn.

 

[Rev Randy]

Actually, Christ the Living Spirit, and who is The Son of Man in heaven, has no father, no mother, no beginning of days nor end of life; Hebrews 7:3 -and that is why the Holy Spirit left out the genealogy of Shem as Melche -Zedek in the Genesis account, so to "morph"/make like" the genealogy of the Christ come in flesh as the Son of God

But the two genealogies the Christ in flesh has reverse adopted Himself into are one by nature and one by the Law of a barren widow. Because Jacob was from the cursed line of the kings "written as childless for a king on the throne", then Jacob begat A son [Joseph] for Heli by marrying Heli's barren widow and raising up seed "for Heli's inheritance to not be lost". That is the law of the firstborn son of the kinsman who marries a barren widow.


The two genealogies of Matthew and Luke are both Joseph's genealogy: one by nature and one by the Law of a kinsman marrying the barren widow to raise up seed to the dead brother.
Heli descended from Nathan, and his son by law who will inherit the throne of David is Joseph, who by law passed that inheritance to the Christ come in flesh.
Levi has nothing to do with Jesus' inheritance as "Firstborn and High Priest" except that it was kept by the Aaronic priesthood from the time of Aaron's baptism by Moses [the last anointed "firstborn" who had the blessing of high king and priest which Abraham received from Shem -Melchi Zedek- and Shem received it from Noah, who received it from Methuselah, who received it from Enoch, and so on and so forth, back to Adam: but Aaron's line had only the priestly side of it as "firstborn" son of God, and Judah's line had only the kingly line of it>

John the Baptist, serving before God, Himself, spiritually, in the office of the true anointed high priest of God [the priesthood being stolen and sold politically did not change God's line of descent], transferred the office of "Firstborn" of earth and "High Priest of God" back, which is the "Baptism of Righteousness" administered to Jesus the Christ in His human flesh, by John.

Then the Holy Spirit descended upon the LORD as He came up out of the waters of the "Baptism unto Righteousness" Anointing , Him into the office of High Priest of earth [the Anointing oil was the "Oil of Messiah, in the Law]-not according to the Levitical priesthood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3bsAMyRwbw

The video is an interesting one. I fully agree Christ receive the bloodline through an adoption. I also agree as God jesus had no earthly bloodline but as a man He had human Blood. I enjoyed the video but it only take it as far as a well thought out theory. But it does a much better job of clearing up the two genealogies than saying one is Mary's. While women (wives) are included in genealogies, I can't say I've read of one except beside her husband.
Thank you for re-posting that video. It's surely something to ponder.

 

[ptomwebster]

...Please show me where i read Christ's genealogies wrong. Please show me that Christ is not the Lion of Judah prophesied about. If you show me and I'm wrong I'll admit it and thank you many times.
...So please show me the Levite bloodline. I'm willing to learn.

I did not deny that Christ was of Judah, I asked you how He had the DNA of Judah? I will give my answer late this evening or tomorrow. Getting read for a Bible study right now and don't have time to re-write the genealogy study.

ysm is incorrect and that video doesn't come close.

 

[GladiatorforGod]

Let's all agree.

To the doctrine of tasty bacon!

Bacon tastes yummy!

Oh yes, and we can also all agree to the teaching of the apostolic faith as expressed in the Nicene creed.

That bacon is very un-healthy. Its has a huge amount of cholesterol. It will mess up your arteries in short order.

 

[MoreCoffee]

That bacon is very un-healthy. Its has a huge amount of cholesterol. It will mess up your arteries in short order.

No it doesn't.

And no it wont.

The bacon I eat is lovely and lean

 

[BrotherDC]

The video is an interesting one. I fully agree Christ receive the bloodline through an adoption. I also agree as God jesus had no earthly bloodline but as a man He had human Blood. I enjoyed the video but it only take it as far as a well thought out theory. But it does a much better job of clearing up the two genealogies than saying one is Mary's. While women (wives) are included in genealogies, I can't say I've read of one except beside her husband.
Thank you for re-posting that video. It's surely something to ponder.

Thanks, very helpful.

 

[GladiatorforGod]

No it doesn't.

And no it wont.

The bacon I eat is lovely and lean

You are so wrong. God declared swine as being unclean, and medical science has confirmed that most swine are infested with the trichinea parasite, and yet you close your eyes to the truth.