Jewish end of days timeline

[Jon Anon]

Adam and Eve started the physical kingdom by reproducing. The last 2 witnesses need not be male and female because they bring about the spiritual kingdom in the end....the bible always show the physical and then the spiritual 2nd as we see in zechariah where Joshuah and Zerubbabel are building the physical temple after the captivity(foreshadow of the end where the 2 witnesses build the spiritual temple)....the same thing is going to happen with the united states as they were once God fearing and dedicated to God but turned away and will receive the Deut 28 curses just as they received the Deut 28 blessings. The will go into captivity and turn back to God...this is the furnace of affliction and is just the opposite of the time of Moses and Aaron where they started out in captivity and went through the desert into the land of Milk and honey...the united states will start out in the land of milk and honey, go through the desert into slavery until they turn back to God and then God will raise up the 2 witnesses.

 

[Jon Anon]

There are 2 houses of Israel Christian and Jew...do we really think the Christian won't be tested with a firstborn of Jesus as the Jews were tested with the firstborn of God the Father...it's coming very soon

 

[Interplanner]

I don't want the US to sink at all of course, but the spiritual temple that came was in Christ and his community. this is found all over the NT.

 

[Douggg]

Hi douggg.....The scenario presented is for a false messianic age to come... So a messiah Ben Joseph may indeed come to deceive Israel that the messianic prophecies are being fulfilled... That was my point and I wanted to make that clear to you...also a false prophet Elijah may come as well

Hi dfw, I don't have a problem with a false messianic age. But there is no indication of two false messiahs bringing that age about.

Jesus said that during these days (of a false messianic age) many false messiahs and many false prophets shall come,...,

I think Jesus was speaking over the long haul, simon bar kochba, etc. and ultimately the Antichrist.

In order to use that verse as the basis for there coming a end times messiah ben Joseph, there has to be confirmation in the other end times passages - which there are non for both a messiah ben Jospeh and messiah ben David.

When they begin to say the messianic age has come... There may be a false resurrection... A deception.... That the prophets and saints of old have been reborn reincarnated or resurrected ...in some way this false messianic age seeks to deceive the world greatly.... But Jesus said.... Be not deceive when they say the messiah Ben David is here or there... I have already told you what comes to pass...

There won't be any false resurrection because only God has that power.

. Mystery Babylon will deceive with all power and lying wonders ....with a false resurrection people may say..'. Moses lives'... 'Here is David' ... 'Here is Samuel'.... Jesus said many false prophets will come

Only God has the power to resurrect the dead. There is no false resurrection spoken of in the bible.

Yet the true man of sins comes after the false messianic age period last a short space... And he will seek his own glory to be like the most high...

The man of sin will be "revealed". It will be their perceived King Messiah be David, the Antichrist prince who shall come. Which I agree will end the false messianic age.

Doug

 

[Douggg]

Jesus was a surprise to the Jews that they could not except. Will Jesus' firstborn son be the surprise the christians cannot except?

The firstborn son Adam was split into two bodies.

Adam was not born. He was created. Start over.

The two witnesses are Adam and Eve reborn in the end

The bible doesn't support reincarnation. Start over.

Doug

 

[Interplanner]

you guys areg etting close. If you can think it has to do with bar Cochba, why not John of Gischala in 68, who killed the high priest, and proclaimed himself to be the delivereer?

so...if a leader came along today and promised Israel safety from its Islamic neighbors, why would anyone think he was decieving them? (I mean anyone familiar with the nT, in which the main work of the messiah is his sacrifice and justification from our sins). MOst of you people who discuss your views here think the function of messiah is to defeat all the neighbors, which this leader would promise, so what is the deception? you can't have it both ways.

 

[Jon Anon]

Adam was not born. He was created. Start over.


The bible doesn't support reincarnation. Start over.

Doug

Do you not know Elijah will come back?

Jesus came forth from the Father, Eve came forth from Adam, the lost 10 tribes came forth from the original. The new testament came forth from the old testament. The pattern in the bible is to have 1 then divide it and make 2 and then bring it back together as 1. Ezekiel 37 shows us Judah and Israel will come back together after the lost 10 tribes are gathered and they become 1 with Judah again as in the times of David. If Jesus and the Father are 1 and the nation of Israel(Gods firstborn) is going to become 1 again.......do you think God will just skip over his firstborn Adam and Eve(the mother and father of creation) and disregaurd the promise He made them in the garden?:
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.(this would include they children they filled it up with)

Do you think God made that promise because he knew they would fail or do you think God made that promise because he know they would fail and will still be able to deliver the promise?

 

[Jon Anon]

ADAM KING OF THE WORLD
Let’s begin:
1. THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT JESUS
2. THE WHOLE BIBLE IS ABOUT ADAM

This is what God had planned for Adam/Eve:

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

God had 2 things on order for Adam/Eve:
1 Fill up the world with people
2 Rule the world (to subdue, and have dominion)
3 Adam was meant to be king of the world.
(KING)
n.
1. A male sovereign.
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3. King

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: to bring (land) under cultivation
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: to reduce the intensity or degree of : tone down

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the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
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a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway.
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lands or domains subject to sovereignty or control.


ADAM WILL RETURN AS THE LAST DAY SERVANT OF GOD AND WILL LIVE A LIFE(NOT A SINLESS LIFE)

THE PSALMS ARE PROPHETIC AND JESUS SAW HIMSELF IN MANY OF THEM, BUT HE ALSO KNEW WHICH ONES SPOKE OF ADAM
PSALM 40: (CAN BE SAID ABOUT JESUS AND ADAM)
7 Then I said, “Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.d
8 I desire to do your will, O my God;
your law is within my heart.”

PSALM 32: (APPLIES TO ADAM AS WE SEE THE WORD “MY SIN” AND “MY TRANSGRESSIONS”
5Then I acknowledged my sin to you
and did not cover up my iniquity.
I said, “I will confess
my transgressions to the Lord”—
and you forgave
the guilt of my sin


DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “THE LIGHT” AND “A LIGHT”

A GREAT SECRET TO SEEING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADAM AND JESUS IN THE BIBLE IS TO USE A KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE AND WHEN IT REFERS TO IT BEING JESUS IT WILL SAY “THE” WHEN IT REFERS TO ADAM IT WILL SAY “A”. HERE IS AND EXAMPLE: JESUS IS “THE” LIGHT OF THE WORLD

John 8:12: Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am “the” light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life
PAUL AND BARNABAS ARE AN EXAPMLE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “THE LIGHT”(JESUS) AND “A LIGHT” PAUL AND BARNABAS………..YOU ALWAYS SEE JESUS AS “THE LIGHT” AND FOLLOWERS OF JESUS AS “A” LIGHT”
ACTS 13:
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be “a light” of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

The next scripture was fulfilled by Jesus in Matthew 12:
15But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all; 16And charged them that they should not make him known: 17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21And in his name shall the Gentiles trust

JESUS DID DO THAT BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JESUS AND HIS FOLLOWERS WE SEE IN ISAIAH 42 THAT THE SERVANT IS “A LIGHT” THAT SHOULD SOUND OF ALARMS BECAUSE JESUS IS “THE LIGHT” SO THIS TELLS US THIS WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED BY ADAM IN THE END.

ISAIAH 42: We see Jesus speaking in verse 5 because all things were made by Jesus and the verse 5 speaker is the maker of heaven, earth, and people. Verse 5 speaker is speaking to verse 1 servant. And that servant is Adam as we will soon see that Adam is before David and after David:………also verse 6 we see this servant is “a light” not “the light” Jesus is “the light” the servant is “a light”.
42 Behold my servant(ADAM), whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein(Jesus speaking):
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a light" of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.


ADAM AND JESUS WERE BEFORE DAVID AND AND WILL BE AFTER DAVID:

King James Version (KJV)

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am "the root" and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
we see Isaiah 11:1:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(last day servant) shall grow out of his roots:....we see that the Branch is not "the root" but the Branch(last day servant) comes out of Jesse.....whenever you see the Branch mentioned it is either coming out of "the root" or is "a root"...not "the root" as Jesus is "the root" but the Branch is only "a root"(Think of it this way the last day servant it Adam the first begotten of Jesus. Adam was before David and will come after David just as Jesus was. Adam the man is always shown less as in the example Adam the man being of "a root" and Jesus being "the root"

Isaiah 11:10:
10 And in that day there shall be "a" root of Jesse(Jesus is "the" root, this servant is "a" root, little letters big difference), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jesus Himself said in John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

So Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" but this zerubbabel/joshua(last day servant is the "chief Branch" with the commission of rebuilding the spiritual temple.


NOTICE FROM THIS NEXT VERSE: EVERYTHING IS PROPERTY OF JESUS INCLUDING THE CONGRETATION
“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Colosians 1:15-19)

NOW NOTICE PSALM 75:
75 Unto thee, O God, do we give thanks, unto thee do we give thanks: for that thy name is near thy wondrous works declare.
2 When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly.(REMEMBER THE PURPOSE OF ADAM WAS TO BE KING OF THE WORLD AND THIS VERSE SHOWS THE CONGREGATION BEING RECEIVED BY SOMEONE(ADAM). THE CONGREGATION WAS ALWAYS JESUS’ HE DOESN’T NEED TO RECEIVE SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY HIS. THE CONGREGATION WILL BE GIVEN TO ADAM.
THE PURPOSE OF JESUS COMING TO EARTH WAS TO BRING SALVATION
THE PURPOSE OF ADAM COMING BACK TO EARTH IS TO JOIN THE TWO HOUSES OF ISRAEL
After King Solomon died, Israel divided into 2 kingdoms.

The 10 northern tribes rebelled against Solomon's son and became known in the Scriptures as "the house of Israel" or as "the house of Ephraim" They rebelled against God, the enemy came and carried them off captive never to be heard of again and are known as (the lost 10 tribes) When Adam comes on the scene he will join the 10 lost tribes with the tribe of Judah and Benjamin that is geographical Israel today and all of Israel will be saved…….JESUS SAVES THE PEOPLE , ADAM JOINS THE PEOPLE AND LEADS THEM TO HIS FATHER JESUS.
EZEKIEL 37 SHOWS DAVID(WHICH IS ADAM) BRING THE TWO HOUSES OF ISRAEL TOGETHER AND BECOMING KING AND PRINCE. ..WE KNOW JESUS IS THE KING OF ISREAL SO IF THE KING GIVES YOU THE CONGREGATION(Israel) then you are a king to the people and a prince to the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS(JESUS)

1 ¶ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 and shall put my Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

The Prophecy concerning the Reunion of Judah and Israel
15 ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of E'phra-im, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 and join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not show us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of E'phra-im, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
22 and I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king(Adam) shall be king(Adam) to them all: and they shall be no more two nations(lost 10 tribes and 2 tribes of judah,benjamin), neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
23 neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 ¶ And David(Adam) my servant shall be king(Adam) over them; Ezek. 34.24 and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David(ADAM) shall be their prince for ever.
26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Cor. 6.16 • Rev. 21.3

28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

 

[Jon Anon]

ONE MORE SAMPLE OF ADAM WITH THE WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL IN THE END: BROKEN DOWN AS I SEE IT: REMEMBER JESUS IS “THE LAMB” OF GOD BUT ADAM IS “A LAMB” OF GOD:
VERY IMPORTANT!: THERE ARE TWO GROUPS OF 144,000. THE ONES BEFORE THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION AND THE ONES AT THE END OF THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION.

ALSO 144,000 DOESN'T MEAN A NUMBER IT MEAN THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REACHED THE STATUS OF JESUS BEING 'LORD' AND 'SAVIOR' AND NOT JUST 'SAVIOR'

THIS CHAPTER 14:1-8 RUNS BACKWARDS UP TIL VERSE 8(IT TELLS THE END FROM THE BEGINNING):
REV. 14:
TIME IS THE END OF THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION:
1 And I looked, and, lo, “a Lamb”(ADAM) stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand(REPRESENTING ALL OF ISRAEL BOTH HOUSES JOINED TOGETHER 12 TRIBES TIMES 12,0000 MEANS COMPLETE ISRAEL), (EZEKIEL 37 COMPLETED BY ADAM)having his Father's(JESUS) name written in their foreheads.


VERSE 2 IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME FRAME: WE REWIND 7 YEARS THE DAY BEFORE THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION STARTED AND WILL SEE THE RAPTURE

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard “the voice of harpers” harping with their harpsSONG SUNG BY HARPERS)

REMEMBER THESE 144,000 ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE ONES IN THE BEGINNING OF THE CHAPTER, THESE ARE THE PRE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA SAINTS
3 And they(THE HARPERS) sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.(HOW DID THE 144,000 LEARN IT? THEY LEARNED IT FORM THE HARPERS.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins(parable of the 5 wise virgins, this is them). These are they which follow “the Lamb”(Jesus) whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits(pre-7year tribulation saints) unto God and to “the Lamb”(JESUS).(These virgins are not actually virgins just simple forgiven of sins by Jesus and made Jesus “Lord” of their lives.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon(AMERICAN DESTROYED) is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.(THIS VERSE 8 IS 42 MONTHS PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION.

SO THE CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA GOES TRHOUGH A 42 MONTH PERIOD OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND IS CARRIED OFF INTO SLAVERY BUT REMAIN FAITHFUL TO JESUS AND DIDN’T ONLY RELY ON A RAPTURE THAT A LOT OF THE CHURCH DOES…..THESE SAINTS HAD JESUS AS “LORD” AND “SAVIOR” THE REST OF THE CHURCH ONLY HAD JESUS AS “SAVIOR” AND THE ONES THAT ONLY HAD JESUS AS “SAVIOR” WILL ENDURE THE EXTRA 7 YEAR TRIBULATION UNITL ADAM TEACHES THEM TO MAKE JESUS”LORD” AND “SAVIOR”

To show you there is 10 years of tribulation and not 7 as you have been taught look at revelation 2:10:

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days(years). Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

It says “some” of you will endure 10 years. Some will only go through the extra 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation. The saints that have Jesus as “Lord” and Savior will endure the 42 months and be found faithful….Everybody is going to get some period of tribulation whether it be 42 months or 10 years everybody is going so see terrible times. Be faithful to Jesus Christ and he will never leave you or forsake you, though it may seem like it for a season

 

[Interplanner]

YOu all need to decide what messiahs function is. It is transparent from the NT that whatever he does in our future has none of the 'smash-the-neighbor-nations' mentality found in ps 89 and here. I mean Rom 8, I Cor 15, 2 pet 3, Heb 10. and we know what he did the first time.

As proof of what I'm saying, look at the tons of posts here that fail to conclude what the smashing involves.

 

[Interplanner]

Ahh, so in literalism, 10 days means 10 years. I'll make a note.

 

[Jon Anon]

Ahh, so in literalism, 10 days means 10 years. I'll make a note.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease,

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Bible Numbers: A day can equal a year:[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] The following are some examples of a day representing a year:
[/FONT]1) "A day for each year" in the account of the ten spies coming back with a bad report to Moses about the promised land after spying it out for 40 days:
"And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcasses be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which you searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years..." (Numbers 14:33,34a)
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[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT]2) Ezekiel is told to lie on his side 390 plus 40 days --- "a day for each year:"
"Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year" (Ezekiel 4:4-6).
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT]3) The Law of Moses commands that the 7th day be a day of rest, and that likewise the 7th year be a year of rest, (Ex. 20:8-11; 23:10-11). This lays a pattern for the very important prophecy of Daniel's seventy weeks.
4) Daniel's vision of the seventy weeks:
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city ... from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks ... And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease..." (Daniel 9:24-27)
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] The "week" referred to here represents (primarily) a symbolic seven-year period. Thus once again, one day is made to signify one year. Here is why Daniel's "week" denotes seven years:
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] a) This vision (of ch. 9) came to Daniel upon his understanding that the 70 years of Israelite exile (as prophesied by Jeremiah) had just elapsed:
[/FONT] "In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem" (Daniel 9:2).
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It is reasonable to deduce that since the occasion for Daniel's vision was his understanding of the 70 years of Jeremiah, and that since the vision to Daniel concerned a like number of 70 weeks, therefore 70 weeks can equal 70 (x 7) years. Nevertheless, Daniel's "week" as a literal 7-day-period is also a valid interpretation. Both days and years weave together.
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b) Seventy literal weeks would not be enough time to accomplish all the things mentioned as having to transpire within the scope of Daniel's "seventy-weeks" vision. For this reason, most scholars I have read view the seventy weeks of Daniel as symbolic years.
c) The Hebrew term for "weeks" is actually the plural of the word for "seven," without specifying whether it is days, months, or years; (see Walvoord "Daniel: The Key to Prophetic Revelation", p. 219).
d) Daniel's "seven-weeks" (49 days) can be understood symbolically as 49 years because of it's similarity with the seven weeks (49 days) till Pentecost; and the seven weeks of Pentecost follows the patters of the seven-times-seven years (49 years) of the Jubilee, (Deut. 16:9, Lev. 25:8).
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What does one week mean to you ...to me a week is 7 days...there are other examples of days being years if you want some

 

[Jon Anon]

No one can see this man(ADAM) or those with him until the time it is for him to be revealed.


Jesus is speaking when he says no man can see my "Son" with a capital "Son" is because all of Jesus' children are sons and daughters but the firstborn Adam is the firstborn and receives the double portion and is meant to rule over the entire congregation with father to children relationship.

2nd Esdras 13:51-52 apocrpaha:
51 Then said I, O Lord that bearest rule, shew me this: Wherefore have I seen the man coming up from the midst of the sea?
52 And he said unto me, Like as thou canst neither seek out nor know the things that are in the deep of the sea: even so can no man upon earth see my Son(ADAM,FIRSTBORN), or those that be with him, but in the day time

verse 51 esdras is speaking to "Lord that bearest rule" which is Jesus because Matthew 28:18

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
and we know from Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
and Jesus is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God and his word is from everlasting to everlasting. God's word covers past, present, and future therefore Jesus' position is the same.

To further prove that esdras is speaking to Jesus(Lord that bearest rule) Jesus speaks of God the Father as a seperate intity from Himself by stating in 2 Esd. 13:26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his(Gods) creature(creation): and he shall order them that are left behind

 

[Jon Anon]

Rev. 14:14: THE LAST DAY SERVANT(ADAM)

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like" a son of man”(ADAM)a with "a" crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. (WOW!!! when did JESUS start taking orders from an angel!?!?)It's not Jesus its ADAM


Rev 19:11 JESUS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!

I sure hope Jesus knows what to do that angel that was in rev. 14 is no where to be found to tell Jesus what to do here in Rev 19.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.(This is clearly Jesus)

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.(why is nobody telling Jesus what to do? Why does Jesus have manY crowns and the guy "like a son of man" only has a single crown
..........because this rev 19 is Jesus and rev. 14 is Adam, Jesus' firstborn!

 

[Interplanner]

well, your first examples said so. That's different. In the Rev 2 case, some guy on the i.net was saying 10 days meant 10 years.

In DAn 9, the expression is just the number ('sevens are appointed'), so with the hindsight we have had since the NT (the Anointed ONe was cut off but not for himself) we know he meant years in that case. SInce we know that it is very strange to insert a 1000 years here and therre like Wlavoord does for his futurism. Instead it needs to be read as historically as possible--the way the 1st readers would have heard; then Jesus' audience (Since he quoted it in Mt 24).

The material of REv is so involved in symbolism its almost not worth dealing with unless you are raised in it. IT gives the impression that there are codes and magic behind every word, which is not the case. IF you are a 1st century apocalyptic reader day in and day out, have a crack. OTherwise stick to the ordinary, graphic, historic sense, which is how most of mt 24 & //s are written.

 

[Jon Anon]

well, your first examples said so. That's different. In the Rev 2 case, some guy on the i.net was saying 10 days meant 10 years.

In DAn 9, the expression is just the number ('sevens are appointed'), so with the hindsight we have had since the NT (the Anointed ONe was cut off but not for himself) we know he meant years in that case. SInce we know that it is very strange to insert a 1000 years here and therre like Wlavoord does for his futurism. Instead it needs to be read as historically as possible--the way the 1st readers would have heard; then Jesus' audience (Since he quoted it in Mt 24).

The material of REv is so involved in symbolism its almost not worth dealing with unless you are raised in it. IT gives the impression that there are codes and magic behind every word, which is not the case. IF you are a 1st century apocalyptic reader day in and day out, have a crack. OTherwise stick to the ordinary, graphic, historic sense, which is how most of mt 24 & //s are written.

Rev. 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer : behold , the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried ; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

so if we are faithful for those long 10 days when we are cast into prison and tried we are getting that crown of life?.....10 days of being in prison for a crown of life, doesn't sound like much to endure sign me up for 20 days I want 2 crowns

 

[Jon Anon]

People read Isaiah, Jeremiah and the prophets and see the falling away of Israel and the Gods judgement come to them. Even if they do relate it to modern times. They are under the impression it is for tiny little geographical Israel which is only made of 2 of the original 12 tribes. People think the war of Gog and Magog is going to come to physical geographical Israel, but that war is not for the 2 tribes of geographical Israel it is for spiritual Israel the lost 10 tribes, the ones that are in the land of milk and honey(united states) where God said he would place the children of Israel, Gods hidden Israel: Psalm 83:
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people,
and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
How is Israel hidden if we know where Israel is.....it is hidden because it is spiritual Israel....Bible pattern(physical first spiritual second)

If satan can cut off either house of Israel, the lost 10 tribes(united states) or the 2 tribes that are geographical Israel then the name of Israel will be no more. Ezek 37 shows they are rejoined in the end by Gods last servantIsrael is in two houses right now. 2 tribes make up geographical Israel(physical Israel) and 10 tribes(spiritual Israel) are in the land of milk and honey(united states), where God said He would send he children of Israel. The goal is to get the 10 spiritual tribes to turn their heart back to God, as they have fallen away. The other goal is to get the other 2 tribes to stop being physical tribes and become spiritual tribes like the other 10. To become part of the spiritual tribe you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, repent, and turn from sin. you become a temple of God and as more and more accept this truth the temple of God gets bigger and bigger. They are all still physical people, but they become the spiritual temple of God by accepting Jesus.

2nd corinthians 6:16:
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The beast and the false prophet build the physical temple but the two witnesses build the spiritual temple(tell people about Jesus is building the temple). Those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, repent, and turn from sin are the temple of God

 

[Jon Anon]

Next we are dealing the the Daughter of Zion(united states spiritual Israel).....because when God is speaking of geographical Israel it is "son" not daughter:
Exodus 4:22:And you shall say unto Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
NOTICE Jeremiah 6:

2I will destroy the Daughter of Zion,
so beautiful and delicate.
3Shepherds with their flocks will come against her;
they will pitch their tents around her,
each tending his own portion.”
4“Prepare for battle against her!
Arise, let us attack at noon!
But, alas, the daylight is fading,
and the shadows of evening grow long.
5So arise, let us attack at night
and destroy her fortresses!”

and it goes on again about the daughter and the enemy coming from the north:
22This is what the Lord says:
“Look, an army is coming
from the land of the north;
a great nation is being stirred up
from the ends of the earth.
23They are armed with bow and spear;
they are cruel and show no mercy.
They sound like the roaring sea
as they ride on their horses;
they come like men in battle formation
to attack you, daughter of zion.”

 

[Jon Anon]

So we see the enemy comes from the north and attacks the daughter of zion(united states) and not the son(geographical Israel firstborn son)..lets look at ezek 38:
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go "up"(you dont go up to attack an enemy coming from the north unless you are going up over canada and coming down to the united states) to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely(united states)..(Israel is at war all the time), all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates(free society united states)

 

[Jon Anon]

God protects Israel...what I'm saying is everyone thinks the psalm 83 Gog Magog war is with tiny geographical Israel......It isn't, the Psalm 83 war is against spiritual Israel(united states, lost 10 tribes) and it will come like this:

Everything is run on computers....these days anyone could hack defense computers, make it look like everything is o.k until a few nukes are detonated a few miles above the middle of u.s and we have an emp and all the grid goes black

Here it is and will be redone with more technology
Ezekiel 21:
21 For the king of Babylon(enemy) stood at the parting of the way, at the head of the two ways, to use divination: he made his arrows bright(nuclear warheads), he consulted with images(computers), he looked in the liver.
22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem(washington d.c), to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.
23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination(computer says everything is fine) in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths(do you solemnly swear to uphold the....): but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.