Does a GLOBAL FLOOD truly seem like the BEST explanation for seashells on mountains?

[Loudmouth]

In a being? I thought it was populations that evolved, not individuals. To the point where individual have to be sacrificed for the benefit of the population or the community.

It is populations that evolve. Natural selection will prevent deleterious features from spreading through the population. That is why it is strange to see creationists claim that evolution will produce non-functioning species. They point to a fossil species and proclaim, "see, it is fully functioning" as if evolution would not produce a fully functioning species.

 

[createdtoworship]

In a being? I thought it was populations that evolved, not individuals. To the point where individual have to be sacrificed for the benefit of the population or the community.

mutations are injurous to oneself, 99% of evolution is in fact just that, mutation. Not beneficial.

 

[Loudmouth]

mutations are injurous to oneself, 99% of evolution is in fact just that, mutation. Not beneficial.

Citations? References?

Of the millions of mutations that separate us and chimps, are 99% of those injurous to humans?

Of the 50 to 100 mutations that you carry, are 99% of them injurous? Every single human is born with 50 to 100 mutations. If we go back just 10 generations that is 500 to 1,000 mutations. So do you suffer from 500 to 1,000 genetic diseases?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Citations? References?

Of the millions of mutations that separate us and chimps, are 99% of those injurous to humans?

Of the 50 to 100 mutations that you carry, are 99% of them injurous? Every single human is born with 50 to 100 mutations. If we go back just 10 generations that is 500 to 1,000 mutations. So do you suffer from 500 to 1,000 genetic diseases?

God built 'death genes' into man. That is why our lifespan is so limited. We were born to die, and "right soon".

 

[Loudmouth]

God built 'death genes' into man.

Evidence? Citations? References?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Evidence? Citations? References?

One of the great mysteries of medical science is why we don't live longer. We have never lived past the biblical "eighty, if by strength" average lifespan.

 

[Lucy Stulz]

God built 'death genes' into man. That is why our lifespan is so limited. We were born to die, and "right soon".

Didn't He build these "death genes" into all animals?

(Actually I didn't realize there was a "death gene"...I thought it had more to do with the telomeres on the ends of genes...but I ain't no biochemist.)

 

[Tomk80]

One of the great mysteries of medical science is why we don't live longer. We have never lived past the biblical "eighty, if by strength" average lifespan.

And this provides evidence for God building in "death genes" how exactly?

 

[TheBear]

God built 'death genes' into man.

Evidence? Citations? References?

One of the great mysteries of medical science is why we don't live longer. We have never lived past the biblical "eighty, if by strength" average lifespan.

IOW, you have no evidence, citations or references for your claim that "death genes" were "built into man" by God.

 

[Loudmouth]

One of the great mysteries of medical science is why we don't live longer. We have never lived past the biblical "eighty, if by strength" average lifespan.

You claim that it isn't a mystery, and that you have the answers. So where is your evidence?

 

[createdtoworship]

Citations? References?

Of the millions of mutations that separate us and chimps, are 99% of those injurous to humans?

Of the 50 to 100 mutations that you carry, are 99% of them injurous? Every single human is born with 50 to 100 mutations. If we go back just 10 generations that is 500 to 1,000 mutations. So do you suffer from 500 to 1,000 genetic diseases?

you want a citation for mutations being injurous?

it's self contained in the definition of "mutation"

isn't it?

 

[createdtoworship]

The most exciting thing for a scientist is something that has no explanation.



I need to see the original citations, not creationist quotemines. We already know what creationists do with their quotes.

read it for once, I gave you a service by quoting it.

but next time I will just tell you to read it yourself.

Geesh

(not every quotation is a quote mine simpy because a creationist quotes it BTW)

especially when you haven't even read the link to discover it was His actual words!

 

[AkiraYamato]

that topic here gets very silly and boring.

 

[createdtoworship]

According to the storyline, Noah's FLOOD killed everyone on the planet except for the few on the Ark. If that's true, then how do you account for cultures and peoples writing about a great flood, unless they were writing about a local flood?

How do you explain that???

I did not understand your comment,

can you expand?

thanks

 

[Subduction Zone]

you want a citation for mutations being injurous?

it's self contained in the definition of "mutation"

isn't it?

No, mutations are not necessarily injurious. In fact we know that most are benign and that is lucky for you since you have on the order of 100 mutations yourself.

If one is harmful how bad would 100 be?

 

[Loudmouth]

read it for once, I gave you a service by quoting it.

You quoted a secondary source. I want to see the actual primary source for the Horner and Gorman quote. Did you notice the pages that the quote was from? The first section is from pages 122-23 while the part after the ellipses is from 8 pages later on page 131. They take two sentences separated by 8 pages and put them together. Given the long history of creationists twisting the words of others, I really need to see the primary source for this quote.

but next time I will just tell you to read it yourself.

Why haven't you read it?

(not every quotation is a quote mine simpy because a creationist quotes it BTW)

When an ellipses cover 8 pages I think the honus is on the creationist to show that it is not a quote mine.

especially when you haven't even read the link to discover it was His actual words!

Horner and Gorman did not write that book.

 

[Loudmouth]

you want a citation for mutations being injurous?

I want a citation that 99% of mutations are injurous, and that none of them are beneficial.

it's self contained in the definition of "mutation"

isn't it?

No. Mutation just means a change in DNA sequence. That's it.

Are you really saying that the millions of mutations that separate humans and chimps are injurous in humans and chimps? Are you saying that none of the millions of mutatios that separate chimps and humans are responsible for specific beneficial adaptations in chimps and humans?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

IOW, you have no evidence, citations or references for your claim that "death genes" were "built into man" by God.

Check my post. I put 'death genes' in semiquotes. The device is the same as 'death panels' is.

 

[Loudmouth]

Check my post. I put 'death genes' in semiquotes. The device is the same as 'death panels' is.

So death genes are a fictitious government agency that decides when to the pull the plug on seniors?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

IOW, you have no evidence, citations or references for your claim that "death genes" were "built into man" by God.

I have two.

God, speaking through the psalmist:

"The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away." Psalm 90:10

and

The average life expectancy which has never exceeded 80 years, and is usually much less.

That's all I need.

'Death gene' is a figure of speech, much like 'death panel'.