Jesus Christ could not have sinned! He is impeccable.

[Chuck70]

When we as creatures are tempted, the sin nature in us is there to make contact with on many points. When Jesus Christ was tempted, there was no danger he would fall, for one, he was God as well as man, and two, he did not have a sin nature as we do. This is an old doctrine I first encountered in R. L. Dabney's theology, the impeccability of Christ. The teaching is online by Arthur W. Pink so you can check it out.
The Impeccability of Christ by Arthur W. Pink

A very demeaning manner of thinking of Christ is the kenosis theory which is held in various forms. This says he so emptied himself of his Deity that he was mere man like us. Thus it is taught by some that we too can perform all the miracles that Christ performed since he did it solely by being filled with the Holy Spirit, and we can be equally filled with the Spirit. I was shocked to hear that taught a few years back, from what I thought was someone within the Christian fold. It is blasphemy, and serious error to say Christ emptied Himself of his attributes.

Chuck

 

[Bella Vita]

I disagree Jesus had every opportunity to sin he made the choice not to and with keeping his relationship strong with the father so the holy spirit could gave him strength. He was still weak in the flesh and still had free will.

If Jesus didn't have the ability to sin then his sinless life and sacrifice on the cross for us would have no meaning. The fact that he made the right choice to follow God and have close relationship with him in spite of his sin nature is what make his sacrifice for us that much more special and meaningful. He made the choice to be taken from his throne in heaven being worshiped to be put here as a baby totally dependent on his parents for everything. Jesus had it all and gave all of that up or us that is what makes what he did so awesome! He loves us that much he could have stayed in heaven but he didn't for us.

And scripture tells us that with a strong relationship with God we can perform miracles, move mountains, and raise the dead. So unless you don't think scripture is truth then you are wrong. God can do anything and he can move thoruh us anyway he wants to limit him is wrong.

 

[Chuck70]

If Jesus didn't have the ability to sin then his sinless life and sacrifice on the cross for us would have no meaning. The fact that he made the right choice to follow God and have close relationship with him in spite of his sin nature is what make his sacrifice for us that much more special and meaningful.

You see what happens when you leave Scripture and go into human musings apart from the word of God. You end up making such blasphemous statements as you did above saying, "in spite of his sin nature..." I hope you misspoke and did not state what you truly believe in your heart, that Jesus inherited man's sin nature. If that is the case, there is no salvation for anyone.

Chuck

 

[Chuck70]

I disagree Jesus had every opportunity to sin he made the choice not to and with keeping his relationship strong with the father so the holy spirit could gave him strength. He was still weak in the flesh and still had free will.

If Jesus didn't have the ability to sin then his sinless life and sacrifice on the cross for us would have no meaning. The fact that he made the right choice to follow God and have close relationship with him in spite of his sin nature is what make his sacrifice for us that much more special and meaningful. He made the choice to be taken from his throne in heaven being worshiped to be put here as a baby totally dependent on his parents for everything. Jesus had it all and gave all of that up or us that is what makes what he did so awesome! He loves us that much he could have stayed in heaven but he didn't for us.

And scripture tells us that with a strong relationship with God we can perform miracles, move mountains, and raise the dead. So unless you don't think scripture is truth then you are wrong. God can do anything and he can move thoruh us anyway he wants to limit him is wrong.

Bella Vita... you say you are Baptist and you have said you are a Calvinist. I'd recommend you use a 19th century Southern Baptist theology and rethink your idea of the nature of Christ. J. L. Dagg's theology is online and it is a great resource. It is written in our language, not theological jargon. I have copied the URL of the place you need to read on Christ:
Founders Ministries | DAGG BK. 5 CHAPTER I

I confess I have little patience and can be abrasive and condescending at times, but I am seriously concerned about your statement, that I hope was made in the haste of the Reply. Your remark about mountains and raising the dead needs some study also.

Chuck

 

[Bella Vita]

I'm sorry but when the Bible tells me Christ was tempted in every way that we are that is what I believe. He made the choice to not sin. If he was a robot then than makes his sacrifice on the cross less meaningful and less genuine.

He was not born a baby in the flesh knowing everything about God. He learned it over time. And keeping strong in his faith and relationship with God the holy spirit gave him the strength to overcome his flesh.

His ability to sin is what makes us able to relate to him the way we do. If he was unable to sin and was just god and not man then there would be no hope for us. The fact that he had both with the ability to sin but did not is what gives us hope that paired with the holy spirit we can fight sin in our own lives.

Him not having the desire to sin and him being able to sin are two different things.

 

[Bella Vita]

Satan did everything in his power to corrupt Jesus and tempt him to sin. That would have been an exercise in futility had he been trying to tempt a divine person to sin. Satan was not trying to get God to sin. He was trying to get the human nature of Christ to sin, so that he would not be qualified to be the Savior.

At the same time, Christ was uniquely sanctified and ministered to by the Holy Spirit. In order to sin, a person must have a desire for sin. But Jesus’ human nature throughout his life was marked by a zeal for righteousness. “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me” (John 4:34), he said. As long as Jesus had no desire to sin, he would not sin.

 

[standingtall]

I'm sorry but when the Bible tells me Christ was tempted in every way that we are that is what I believe. He made the choice to not sin. If he was a robot then than makes his sacrifice on the cross less meaningful and less genuine.

He was not born a baby in the flesh knowing everything about God. He learned it over time. And keeping strong in his faith and relationship with God the holy spirit gave him the strength to overcome his flesh.

His ability to sin is what makes us able to relate to him the way we do. If he was unable to sin and was just god and not man then there would be no hope for us. The fact that h had had both with the ability to sin but did not is what gives us hope that paired with the holy spirit we can fight sin in our own lives.

Very good post and spot on, IMO.

 

[Bella Vita]

Bella Vita... you say you are Baptist and you have said you are a Calvinist. I'd recommend you use a 19th century Southern Baptist theology and rethink your idea of the nature of Christ. J. L. Dagg's theology is online and it is a great resource. It is written in our language, not theological jargon. I have copied the URL of the place you need to read on Christ:
Founders Ministries | DAGG BK. 5 CHAPTER I

I confess I have little patience and can be abrasive and condescending at times, but I am seriously concerned about your statement, that I hope was made in the haste of the Reply. Your remark about mountains and raising the dead needs some study also.

Chuck

I am sorry but scripture tells us that with the holy spirit and with faith we can do amazing things! Jesus was not the only one who raised people from the dead or healed the sick Elijah, Elisha, Peter, and Paul also performed these miracles!

Matthew 10:8 "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give."

Matthew 17:20 "He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength."

 

[AndOne]

Well there's something you don't see every day - a grunt giving props to a squid...

 

[Hammster]

I disagree Jesus had every opportunity to sin he made the choice not to and with keeping his relationship strong with the father so the holy spirit could gave him strength. He was still weak in the flesh and still had free will.

If Jesus didn't have the ability to sin then his sinless life and sacrifice on the cross for us would have no meaning. The fact that he made the right choice to follow God and have close relationship with him in spite of his sin nature is what make his sacrifice for us that much more special and meaningful. He made the choice to be taken from his throne in heaven being worshiped to be put here as a baby totally dependent on his parents for everything. Jesus had it all and gave all of that up or us that is what makes what he did so awesome! He loves us that much he could have stayed in heaven but he didn't for us.

And scripture tells us that with a strong relationship with God we can perform miracles, move mountains, and raise the dead. So unless you don't think scripture is truth then you are wrong. God can do anything and he can move thoruh us anyway he wants to limit him is wrong.

Why do you free will with the ability to sin?

 

[Chuck70]

Satan did everything in his power to corrupt Jesus and tempt him to sin. That would have been an exercise in futility had he been trying to tempt a divine person to sin. Satan was not trying to get God to sin. He was trying to get the human nature of Christ to sin, so that he would not be qualified to be the Savior.

At the same time, Christ was uniquely sanctified and ministered to by the Holy Spirit. In order to sin, a person must have a desire for sin. But Jesus’ human nature throughout his life was marked by a zeal for righteousness. “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me” (John 4:34), he said. As long as Jesus had no desire to sin, he would not sin.

If Jesus Christ had a "sin nature" as you clearly stated, that means he was born with original sin and is no savior to anyone, but He is the sinless, pure, holy person Jesus Christ. You quote this as your proof of Jesus having a sin nature:

“Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to complete his work.” (Joh 4:34 NRSV)

You sure see something I do not see in that verse. If you can read the following statements about Jesus Christ and say he has a sin nature, it is evidence of reprobation to my mind:

"You know that Christ appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin." (1John 3:5, REB)

In a context like this "sin" singular means the sin nature, the sin within, the evil heart. Christ did not have that, NO SIN.

"Such a high priest is indeed suited to our need: he is holy, innocent, undefiled, set apart from sinners, and raised high above the heavens." (Heb 7:26, REB)

That cannot be stated of a person with a "sin nature"!

"Christ was innocent of sin, and yet for our sake God made him one with human sinfulness, so that in him we might be made one with the righteousness of God." (2Cor 5:21, REB)

He was innocent of sin, singular... had no sin in any way! You would be well advised to stick to what Scripture states. By the way, 1 Cor. 2:7,8 indicates Satan did not understand God's plan for salvation so do not attribute knowledge to Satan of which he was ignorant.


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Chuck

 

[Chuck70]

I am sorry but scripture tells us that with the holy spirit and with faith we can do amazing things! Jesus was not the only one who raised people from the dead or healed the sick Elijah, Elisha, Peter, and Paul also performed these miracles!

Matthew 10:8 "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give."

Matthew 17:20 "He replied, "Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength."

Matt. 10:8, check v1; power given to the apostles, "signs of an apostle", 2 Cor. 12:12. Matt. 17:20, a parable with typical Jewish hyperbole, like a camel going through the eye of a needle. Phil. 4:13, have you ever heard of context? The prophets had the power of the Spirit to prove they spoke from God. Read the record, beginning in Ex. 4:1-9...

 

[Bella Vita]

If Jesus Christ had a "sin nature" as you clearly stated, that means he was born with original sin and is no savior to anyone, but He is the sinless, pure, holy person Jesus Christ. You quote this as your proof of Jesus having a sin nature:

“Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me and to complete his work.” (Joh 4:34 NRSV)

You sure see something I do not see in that verse. If you can read the following statements about Jesus Christ and say he has a sin nature, it is evidence of reprobation to my mind:

"You know that Christ appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin." (1John 3:5, REB)


In a context like this "sin" singular means the sin nature, the sin within, the evil heart. Christ did not have that, NO SIN.

"Such a high priest is indeed suited to our need: he is holy, innocent, undefiled, set apart from sinners, and raised high above the heavens." (Heb 7:26, REB)



That cannot be stated of a person with a "sin nature"!

"Christ was innocent of sin, and yet for our sake God made him one with human sinfulness, so that in him we might be made one with the righteousness of God." (2Cor 5:21, REB)

He was innocent of sin, singular... had no sin in any way! You would be well advised to stick to what Scripture states. By the way, 1 Cor. 2:7,8 indicates Satan did not understand God's plan for salvation so do not attribute knowledge to Satan of which he was ignorant.

You should remove "Baptist" from your Profile because in this you are denying foundational Christian doctrine as well as any Baptist group's official statement, to my knowledge.

Chuck

Well my wording may not have been right I don't believe he was born with the original sin we have. But I do believe he was born with free will and the ability to sin. If he could not sin Satan wouldn't have wasted his time trying to appeal to his human side that sins.

You don't need to quote scripture at me that Christ never sinned I already know and agree with that. I never said he sinned I said he had the ability to the fact that he didn't was what made him the perfect sacrifice on the cross.

I am not going against Christian doctrine or Baptist doctrine by believing that Jesus had the ability to sin but had no desire to and lived a sinless life.

 

[Alithis]

he was born of the Holy Ghost ( for the child is of the holy Ghost)

he was /is .. without sin.

he was flesh and blood ..

In his flesh and blood state he was offered ,by the enemy ,all manner of wealth and power as any flesh and blood man would drool over .. and he turned it down (would you?)

then he was put in a position of knowing the horror of what was about to be done to him ... and you suggest he wasn't tempted to avoid it ?

he was tempted in every way imaginable and to the extreme- but remained sinless .

 

[Hammster]

he was born of the Holy Ghost ( for the child is of the holy Ghost)

he was /is .. without sin.

he was flesh and blood ..

In his flesh and blood state he was offered ,by the enemy ,all manner of wealth and power as any flesh and blood man would drool over .. and he turned it down (would you?)

then he was put in a position of knowing the horror of what was about to be done to him ... and you suggest he wasn't tempted to avoid it ?

he was tempted in every way imaginable and to the extreme- but remained sinless .

Being tempted doesn't mean that one necessarily has the capacity to sin.

 

[Hammster]

Well my wording may not have been right I don't believe he was born with the original sin we have. But I do believe he was born with free will and the ability to sin. If he could not sin Satan wouldn't have wasted his time trying to appeal to his human side that sins.

You don't need to quote scripture at me that Christ never sinned I already know and agree with that. I never said he sinned I said he had the ability to the fact that he didn't was what made him the perfect sacrifice on the cross.

I am not going against Christian doctrine or Baptist doctrine by believing that Jesus had the ability to sin but had no desire to and lived a sinless life.

We does free will equal ability to sin?

 

[Alithis]

Being tempted doesn't mean that one necessarily has the capacity to sin.

hmmm -perhaps its what one means by "capacity to sin"?

i think the very fact that he was as Adam once was .. he had the ability to choose disobedience ..just as Adam did .

the scriptures back that up i believe...'for by one man , Adam ...etc"
but just as Adam was not born in sin .. so also the lord Jesus was not born in sin ..
so ,if you like ,they were not created,with what we often term as , a bent toward sin, .

the scriptures say that before we are redeemed by faith in the blood of Christ ,that we were "prisoners " to sin .I consider that a prisoner is not someone that has "choice" ..where as the lord Jesus was not born a prisoner to sin...
perhaps , when you think about it .. this makes what he accomplished, all the more astounding .he conquered where Adam failed .

so ..i guess a safer term to use would be .. the ability to do what ever he chose to do in regard to obedience and disobedience

 

[Hammster]

hmmm -perhaps its what one means by "capacity to sin"?

i think the very fact that he was as Adam once was .. he had the ability to choose disobedience ..just as Adam did .

the scriptures back that up i believe...'for by one man , Adam ...etc"
but just as Adam was not born in sin .. so also the lord Jesus was not born in sin ..
so ,if you like ,they were not created,with what we often term as , a bent toward sin, .

the scriptures say that before we are redeemed by faith in the blood of Christ ,that we were "prisoners " to sin .I consider that a prisoner is not someone that has "choice" ..where as the lord Jesus was not born a prisoner to sin...
perhaps , when you think about it .. this makes what he accomplished, all the more astounding .he conquered where Adam failed .

so ..i guess a safer term to use would be .. the ability to do what ever he chose to do in regard to obedience and disobedience

That might be better in the fact that Jesus would always choose obedience. Disobedience would never even seem like a choice to Him.

 

[Alithis]

yeah i see what you mean ..but how was adam different. an yet he sinned

on a side topic ..who was adam ... formed from the dust of the earth and became a living being when GOD breathed HIS breath (spirit) into him... blows ones mind at this time of night lol ..i need to sleep -its all to much for me

 

[Hammster]

yeah i see what you mean ..but how was adam different. an yet he sinned

on a side topic ..who was adam ... formed from the dust of the earth and became a living being when GOD breathed HIS breath (spirit) into him... blows ones mind at this time of night lol ..i need to sleep -its all to much for me

Adam was different because, while good, was not righteous.

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