Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

[Adaephon]

There are Jesuits holding to all sorts of theological opinions. I do not think one can reasonably attribute liberation theology to 'the Jesuits'.

I know. I'm, like, agreeing with you.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know. I'm, like, agreeing with you.

Yes, I know.

 

[VictorC]

May I make a few observations

• Seventh Day Adventism is, as you and others have observed, in a state of transition and what it will become nobody can say with certainty. There are at least two (and probably more than two) movements in the denomination; the first is to adhere tightly to the 'prophetic teaching' of Ellen White, the other is to relegate Ellen White's writings to the same category that any other earthly religious writings occupy. So, it is quite difficult to treat adventism as if it were monolithic and it is difficult to form clear ideas about what advintism teaches.
• In GT logic seems to count for very little with many members.
• Expressing opinions about the teaching of any group of which one is not a member is fraught with difficulty, even quoting from official sources can be treacherous because it can be very hard to know what is official and what is not. So, on the whole, it is best to ask questions of those who are members of a religious group and let them answer rather than attempting to tell them what they believe or what their denomination or church teaches.

GfG entered a fifth installment of argumentum ad hominem in (yet) another attempt to divert attention away from a given argument. In this case, it is used to run away from the relatively benign question of why he would quote Martin Luther as an authority, when he's already on record rejecting the authority he quoted.

After all, how many Adventists do you know who are looking for guidance from Martin Luther? I don't see how you can equate this with telling GfG what his own church teaches.

 

[Watchman4hm]

 

[ebia]

Jeez louise..I just had a revelation..This thread is about legalism..
Why I didnt recognize this before must really make me look crazy...lol..I mean we Got the Catholics who believe the Pope is sinless,

I dare say one or two exist in the world, but I've never met a Catholic who believes the pope is sinless. Certainly Catholicism does not teach that; in fact teaches that that isn't true.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Jeez louise..I just had a revelation..This thread is about legalism..
Why I didnt recognize this before must really make me look crazy...lol..I mean we Got the Catholics who believe the Pope is sinless,

The pope is not sinless. Why is it that folk, such as you, cannot get off their posteriors and check your facts before you type such silly claims? It's a shame that you write such rubbish. It detracts from what is true and useful in your message.

the wafer actually is the body of Christ

Jesus said, of 'the wafer', this is my body. I'm happy to go with what he said.

... and SDA who think if you worship any other day than Sat, eat certain foods then your defiled or not even saved..I get it now..You guys are arguing over whos legalisms are correct...right??..Anyway folks..just trying to lighten it up in here..The kingdom of God is not about do's and dont's as much as DIDS...HE "did" all the doings!!!How bout you guys realize that and start remembering that without LOVE your as sounding brass and tinkling symbols!!

Blah blah blah ... really, if the above is a 'revelation' then you need to find a different source for your revelations.

 

[Watchman4hm]

I dare say one or two exist in the world, but I've never met a Catholic who believes the pope is sinless. Certainly Catholicism does not teach that; in fact teaches that that isn't true.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I was raised Catholic..Roman Catholic..Now mind you that was 40 years ago..But I was taught the the Vicar of Christ was sinless..That Mary was "co-redeemer" with Jesus..etc..But anyway..The post was just to lighten things up...cyas..

No. You were not taught that the pope is sinless. You just were not taught that. The pope asks for forgiveness of his sins every time he says mass. He also confesses his sins to a priest regularly and frequently.

 

[motherprayer]

No. You were not taught that the pope is sinless. You just were not taught that. The pope asks for forgiveness of his sins every time he says mass. He also confesses his sins to a priest regularly and frequently.

Thank you! Amen.

I knew it, but I wanted you to say it. I don't get this notion. Its just wrong. The only people I have ever heard say it were non-Catholics. Why wouldn't someone ask a Catholic if they wanted to know what Catholics believe?

I thank you for all you have taught me about Catholicism, actually. It has helped me in my walk.

 

[ebia]

I was raised Catholic..Roman Catholic..Now mind you that was 40 years ago..But I was taught the the Vicar of Christ was sinless..

In the unlikely event you were taught that whoever taught it to you was completely wrong about a basic aspect of Catholic ecclesiology.

Under very stringent conditions certain very specific Papal announcements are deemed to be infallible. But the Pope himself is not regarded as sinless by a long chalk, and never has been.

 

[Watchman4hm]

The pope is not sinless. Why is it that folk, such as you, cannot get off their posteriors and check your facts before you type such silly claims? It's a shame that you write such rubbish. It detracts from what is true and useful in your message.



Jesus said, of 'the wafer', this is my body. I'm happy to go with what he said.


Blah blah blah ... really, if the above is a 'revelation' then you need to find a different source for your revelations.

 

[MoreCoffee]

In the unlikely event you were taught that whoever taught it to you was completely wrong about a basic aspect of Catholic ecclesiology.

Under very stringent conditions certain very specific Papal announcements are deemed to be infallible. But the Pope himself is not regarded as sinless by a long chalk, and never has been.

Infallibility has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with impeccability. Nothing. Not a thing.

 

[ebia]

LOL..I was raised Catholic..Of coarse the Pope is not sinless..But The Roman Catholic church 40 years ago told me he was.

No it did not. Some person who didn't know what they were talking about might have told you that, or you may have misunderstood what you were being taught, but the Catholic Church has never taught that.

 

[ebia]

Infallibility has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with impeccability. Nothing. Not a thing.

Indeed.

 

[Eseven]

The pope is far from impeccable

 

[Watchman4hm]

Well anyway..I apologize if I offended anyone..I'll leave you all be now..

 

[ebia]

The pope is far from impeccable

In what way?

 

[MoreCoffee]

In what way?

Francis seems like a rather good guy so far. I imagine his personal life might be a bit better than Eseven's

I also imagine that Francis' life has, so far, been much longer that Eseven's.

 

[Eseven]

Francis seems like a rather good guy so far. I imagine his personal life might be a bit better than Eseven's

I also imagine that Francis' life has, so far, been much longer that Eseven's.

Maybe so. But other bishops and popes were thought to be impeccable yet their fallibility, and in some cases utter folly, was evident.



impeccability
Web definitions
faultlessness: the quality of being without an error or fault

 

[tall73]

May I make a few observations

• Seventh Day Adventism is, as you and others have observed, in a state of transition and what it will become nobody can say with certainty. There are at least two (and probably more than two) movements in the denomination; the first is to adhere tightly to the 'prophetic teaching' of Ellen White, the other is to relegate Ellen White's writings to the same category that any other earthly religious writings occupy. So, it is quite difficult to treat adventism as if it were monolithic and it is difficult to form clear ideas about what advintism teaches.
• In GT logic seems to count for very little with many members.
• Expressing opinions about the teaching of any group of which one is not a member is fraught with difficulty, even quoting from official sources can be treacherous because it can be very hard to know what is official and what is not. So, on the whole, it is best to ask questions of those who are members of a religious group and let them answer rather than attempting to tell them what they believe or what their denomination or church teaches.

Brightcandle/Truthwave/Gladiator has already stated he takes Luther selectively. So Victor is not telling him what he believes.

However, what Victor may be driving at is why doesn't Brightcandle/Truthwave/Gladiator just spell out his view from the Bible and leave Luther out of it?