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Mar 22: they are at it again

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You seem to be assuming that great tribulation refers to a world wide event and that the elect = the church.
Jesus had just predicted the destruction of the temple and persecution of the disciples. How do you know that he was talking about the end of the world and persecution of ALL believers?

He is talking to the disciples; "there will be wars, rumours of wars, earthquakes "etc. THEN (verse 9) - ie after they have heard of rumours of wars, experienced earthquakes and famine (there was a famine during the time of Claudius, predicted by Agabus in Acts 11:27-28) - they (the disciples) would be handed over to be persecuted - and they were.

I just don't see how this relates to us now, and Obama's visit to Israel in particular. I guess we'll find out by next weekend, but I am still preparing to celebrate Easter this year, (and Christmas.)

The first four seals were sent out in the 1st century against Jerusalem.

They are described as God's four dreadful judgments. (Ezek 14:21)

They are described as riders/horsemen - they continuously ride since they were sent out. (Rev 6/Zech 6)

They are described as "the four spirits of the heavens that go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth". (Zech 6)

Just before Jesus went to the cross and then ascended, took the scroll and start opening the seals, He said this:

Jhn 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.

The first four seals brought judgment on this world, the last three seals will drive the devil out.


Zech 6:And I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass. 2 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
3 And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.
4 Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
5 And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth.
6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.
7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.
8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
 
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So? That only works if you have proved for a fact that Obama is the antiChrist. There have been many contenders for that position; Tony Blair, Prince William, the pope - and that's only the ones I've read about on these forums. Henry Kissenger was once a candidate, I understand - and Ronald Regan too.

yeah i know, but it is like a case of crying wolf.. when the real antichrist turns up, no one takes any notice. i think there is enough evidence now, to see that obama is going to ride into jerusalem (not literally) on the donkey.

there isnt enough time left now anyway, the antichrist has turned up on schedule.

i noticed something recently.. the book 'no higher power' which shows that obama is without any doubt an antichrist.. you can check it out to see that it's true, but have a look at the reviews on the uk amazon for that book, they have manipulated the reviews so that the book only gets one star, so people will think that the book is rubbish, until you actually have a closer look, and you find that there are several 5 star reviews, which do not show up on the reviews listing.
the same thing, i noticed, happened with another book on amazon, which was about nephilim, in relation to the antichrist. it sounds very tin foil hat and crazy, but it is true.
 
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The first four seals were sent out in the 1st century against Jerusalem.

They are described as God's four dreadful judgments. (Ezek 14:21)

They are described as riders/horsemen - they continuously ride since they were sent out. (Rev 6/Zech 6)

They are described as "the four spirits of the heavens that go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth". (Zech 6)

Just before Jesus went to the cross and then ascended, took the scroll and start opening the seals, He said this:


i cant get into all that. i try to keep things simple, what it says in the gospels, and what biblical scholars say about daniel.. trying to figure out the entire bible is beyond my skills.
 
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The first four seals were sent out in the 1st century against Jerusalem.

They are described as God's four dreadful judgments. (Ezek 14:21)

They are described as riders/horsemen - they continuously ride since they were sent out. (Rev 6/Zech 6)

They are described as "the four spirits of the heavens that go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth". (Zech 6)

Just before Jesus went to the cross and then ascended, took the scroll and start opening the seals, He said this:


i cant get into all that. i try to keep things simple, what it says in the gospels, and what biblical scholars say about daniel.. trying to figure out the entire bible is beyond my skills.

And that's why you don't understand it. God wouldn't give you something that is beyond your skills.

He doesn't want you to trust what men teach either. That's why he sent the Holy Spirit.

Jhn 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
 
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And that's why you don't understand it. God wouldn't give you something that is beyond your skills.

He doesn't want you to trust what men teach either. That's why he sent the Holy Spirit.

Jhn 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

i do understand it. i know enough to be able to work things out. i dont trust what men teach, but i am able to know a liar, and that discernment is given by the Holy Spirit. I ask God to reveal the truth to me.

i believe that these are the last days, and that the devil is on the loose. some people have a natural gift to be able to discern evil and liars, its a gift given by the Holy Spirit.
 
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If you go by these people's home's wearing bright white robes and carry a two edged sword (might help to have a little smoke as well) they will believe and do whatever you tell them. That seems to be all they need to pass their Holy inspection.

Make a list, check it twice, find out if an angel is naughty or nice; Dante's Inferno is coming to town.

Even though God warned of talking with angels, God sent evil angels, God gave examples of false gifts (Ehud in Judges 3), God's own son Jesus was tempted by angels.

Now the final book of Revelations is an angel book with bad news and it is gobbled up.

Even with all this you are only off by about 5 days. Well done. However, there were many people that came to the river when Jesus was baptized. They knew something was up, but Jesus referred to them as vipers.

What is your angel check? What do you look for to know if it is a "good" angel or "evil"?
 
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If you go by these people's home's wearing bright white robes and carry a two edged sword (might help to have a little smoke as well) they will believe and do whatever you tell them. That seems to be all they need to pass their Holy inspection.

Make a list, check it twice, find out if an angel is naughty or nice; Dante's Inferno is coming to town.

Even though God warned of talking with angels, God sent evil angels, God gave examples of false gifts (Ehud in Judges 3), God's own son Jesus was tempted by angels.

Now the final book of Revelations is an angel book with bad news and it is gobbled up.

Even with all this you are only off by about 5 days. Well done. However, there were many people that came to the river when Jesus was baptized. They knew something was up, but Jesus referred to them as vipers.

What is your angel check? What do you look for to know if it is a "good" angel or "evil"?

Satan?
 
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Our disagreement on whether the abomination of desolation will take place is not that important either. We can call it whatever we want as long as we understand SOMETHING absolutely incredible for the prophetic timeline will take place that day......... with the last 3 1/2 years, 1260 days, or time, times, and half a time starting the day after; on March 23.
As I've noted earlier, the "something absolutely incredible", according to the Daniel video you've repeatedly pointed us to, is supposed to include three things:
  • AoD
  • Flood in Israel
  • Exodus from Israel
Are you still holding to the position that these will start on 3/22 (especially in light of the fact that the video was wrong wrt the altar and February of this year)?
 
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The first four seals were sent out in the 1st century against Jerusalem.

They are described as God's four dreadful judgments. (Ezek 14:21)

They are described as riders/horsemen - they continuously ride since they were sent out. (Rev 6/Zech 6)

They are described as "the four spirits of the heavens that go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth". (Zech 6).

You can't start by teaching/quoting Matt 24 and then suddenly flip to Revelation to prove, or demonstrate, your point.

You quoted verses from Matt 24, in bold font and underlining them, presumably for emphasis. One of these verses was about the temple being destroyed so that no stone remains. I told you that this prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70 - Jerusalem was captured and the temple destroyed. I also said that Jesus' prophesy that the disciples would be persecuted for their faith, came true.
You don't seem to have replied to this - either to say "yes, you're right, I must have taken that out of context", or to say "no, you're wrong; these words of Jesus are about furture events". Matt 24 does not say anything at all about seals.
 
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As I've noted earlier, the "something absolutely incredible", according to the Daniel video you've repeatedly pointed us to, is supposed to include three things:
  • AoD
  • Flood in Israel
  • Exodus from Israel
Are you still holding to the position that these will start on 3/22 (especially in light of the fact that the video was wrong wrt the altar and February of this year)?

i found this video interesting...

119 Ministries ~ Test Everything - Daniel Unsealed

i dont believe there will be any exodus from israel on the 22nd, i think they got that wrong, and no flood. but the abomination happens on the 22nd.
they say that daniel is not talking about a covenant made by the antirchrist with israel, but that the covenant of Christ is confirmed for 7 years.
they also show how daniel predicts that ramadan of this year will be important according to the antichrist's timetable, not God's timetable.
 
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i found this video interesting...

119 Ministries ~ Test Everything - Daniel Unsealed

i dont believe there will be any exodus from israel on the 22nd, i think they got that wrong, and no flood. but the abomination happens on the 22nd.
they say that daniel is not talking about a covenant made by the antirchrist with israel, but that the covenant of Christ is confirmed for 7 years.
they also show how daniel predicts that ramadan of this year will be important according to the antichrist's timetable, not God's timetable.
Thanks, Cosmic. So Marantha's video is only batting .250 in your opinion. Kinda makes you wonder about the last prediction. I'm very interested to see if he'll back away from the video now that three specific things have been identified and there's no wiggle room for the fulfillment.

I hope to find an hour to watch the 911 video you posted.
 
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